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Mr. Magoo1

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Local Shill

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Mr Magoo said:
Even with all of the league’s early departures, when you look at who’s coming back and the recruiting classes of the other teams, it will be very difficult to climb out of the basement next year.

I expect another season with 3-5 league wins.
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3 wins would be a step back since there will be 20 conference games. I hope for 6 or 7 but expect 4 or 5.
 
MadRU

MadRU

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Is this a surprise to anyone? We have finished 14th since we were in the league. Its up to the staff and team to further alter the perception and get better results. Pikiell, the staff, and the team have made strides. It will be a slow and hopefully steady process forward.

But predictions don't mean anything, results do.

Hopefully we take the next step forward.
 
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littlenis5

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We were at the bottom then lost Sanders and Freeman, the two most productive (I won’t say best, don’t need that argument) players. These early polls are all math equations and this one checks out
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
Sanders is a big loss, but Freeman is addition by subtraction. Eugene was playing better by the end of the season.
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Both are losses in certain facets of the game and both are addition by subtraction in others. When in the game combined they took 57.4% of our shots and had an effective FG % of 41.9% and 39.7%. Trust me I will be right here.... our offense will be better moving some of those shots to Geo, Issa and Eugene.
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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Local Shill said:
Worst offensive team in the conference could easily be worse offensively next year. Kiss and Mathis better light the world on fire or we’re pretty screwed.
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No chance, NONE. Measured by points per possession (which is the purest way of gauging offense) no way can we be worse than this year.

Conversely, very likely we take a step backwards on the defensive end.
 
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MV9000

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shields said:
Wasn't Freeman like 4 for 28 from three point range?
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I audibly would yell "dont you ****** shoot it" when i would see him square up for an uncalled for 3 lol.

On topic: yeah we havent done anything to warrant not being last. We have made no wild recruiting pick ups. I believe were in last in those regards too. Such is life around here until something gives.
 
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RUJMM78

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MadRU said:
Is this a surprise to anyone? We have finished 14th since we were in the league. Its up to the staff and team to further alter the perception and get better results. Pikiell, the staff, and the team have made strides. It will be a slow and hopefully steady process forward.

But predictions don't mean anything, results do.

Hopefully we take the next step forward.
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Results that match predictions really matter when ranked at the bottom of league teams.
 
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littlenis5

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Both are losses in certain facets of the game and both are addition by subtraction in others. When in the game combined they took 57.4% of our shots and had an effective FG % of 41.9% and 39.7%. Trust me I will be right here.... our offense will be better moving some of those shots to Geo, Issa and Eugene.
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I agree with what you’re saying. My point is these “analysts” don’t actually take time to analyze this team like we do. Hence it makes sense for them to think we will be awful.
 
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MGSA99

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Every news publication starts their Big Ten rankings by penciling us in for last, then fill in everyone else.
 
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Njcanesfan

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AreYouNUTS said:
I'll just never understand why people get caught up in polls that come out the day after the season ends.
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exactly, we don't even know who half our team is yet... nor have we seen the newcomers in scarlet jersey...lol. smh the DOOM and GLOOM is real!
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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shields said:
Wasn't Freeman like 4 for 28 from three point range?
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He did win the game against Illinois his junior year with a 3, but you are what your'e percentages are. That includes everyone and people opinion shouldn't get too biased off of what a player did his last 2 or 3 games.
 
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Russ Wood

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Greene Rice FIG said:
No chance, NONE. Measured by points per possession (which is the purest way of gauging offense) no way can we be worse than this year.

Conversely, very likely we take a step backwards on the defensive end.
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Per Synergy Sports Rutgers was ranked No. 340, out of 351 teams, in PPP (.807). So technically there is a chance Rutgers could be worse than this year.

But let's hope next season's team is more efficient.
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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Russ Wood said:
Per Synergy Sports Rutgers was ranked No. 340, out of 351 teams, in PPP (.807). So technically there is a chance Rutgers could be worse than this year.

But let's hope next season's team is more efficient.
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Last i checked we are a P5 school. It is very hard to be this bad. It is even more shocking that people think we can't live without the guy who had the ball in his hands the most for the this high powered offense.
 
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Russ Wood

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Greene Rice FIG said:
Last i checked we are a P5 school. It is very hard to be this bad. It is even more shocking that people think we can't live without the guy who had the ball in his hands the most for the this high powered offense.
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So is California and they were ranked right behind Rutgers in PPP.
 
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Russ Wood

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Greene Rice FIG said:
Not sure where your service got those numbers. Per kenpom...

Raw numbers we were .954 PPP 326th
Adjusted numbers .992 PPP 270th
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I have no idea what counts for the difference. Maybe it's the CC of New York game. Synergy may not have broken down stats for that game since the opponent was not D1. But that is just a wild guess.
 
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bowlgoal

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It’s very hard to rate this team without seeing the final pieces that we will hopefully add shortly. And even then we really don’t know the impact of some of the new players. Losing Corey hurts but we will find new leaders and new go-to players. After watching year 1, my expectations were higher than they should have been. I do believe we have the right coach. One more year in transition and then I think we can start towards winning records and maybe the NIT in 2019. It just depends on how we gel as a team and if we can add some more powerful pieces to the puzzle. We certainly can’t make big mistakes by offering scholarships to guys who can’t play at this level.
 
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Local Shill said:
Worst offensive team in the conference could easily be worse offensively next year. Kiss and Mathis better light the world on fire or we’re pretty screwed.
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or they develop differently because its not just relying on when Sanders decides he wants to play....Sanders was 4-14 vs Stoney and scored a whopping 8 points....and then hurt the team by missing his flight and not starting for Hartford although he scored 17 in the end. There were total no shows vs Penn St, Indiana, Maryland and I think he was benched in two of those games during the game. So while Corey could certainly win a game for RU or keeps games closer. I will take consistency over up and down. RU would likely to not be going anywhere next year, I think they can gel as a group going forward perhaps a little more to Pikes liking without Corey. And sure he is a loss no question but there are positives that could come out of this
 
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Penn State has to replace over 200 made 3s that have departed in Garner and Carr, who finished 9-9 in league, but they will be better or in top half??

Ohio State typically starts with top quarter of the league talent every year and they will be 9th??

Purdue loses 80% of their offense if Edwards also leaves, but they will be 7th??

Wisconsin gets 2 starting guards back which should help...

Ohio State and Rutgers will be higher than predicted here...

Penn State, Nebraska, Wisconsin and Michigan will finish lower than predicted here in this farce of an article.

On RU, there will be improvement in scoring and 3 point shooting that take RU out of the basement next year....the gap between 14th in 2016-17 was 3 full games between 14th and 13th....in 17-18, the same 3 wins were 1 game out of 14th....even as late as the last day, RU could have finished 12th.

Knocking down 2 more 3s per game for RU, is the goal....RU had 150 total the season....more than 100 of those 3s are returning in Thiam and Baker.....Sanders made 22 for the season or less than 1 per game.

Not the best thread for this but RU will get to 200+ 3s next year by default...that will equate escaping 14th...
 
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RUJMM78

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bowlgoal said:
It’s very hard to rate this team without seeing the final pieces that we will hopefully add shortly. And even then we really don’t know the impact of some of the new players. Losing Corey hurts but we will find new leaders and new go-to players. After watching year 1, my expectations were higher than they should have been. I do believe we have the right coach. One more year in transition and then I think we can start towards winning records and maybe the NIT in 2019. It just depends on how we gel as a team and if we can add some more powerful pieces to the puzzle. We certainly can’t make big mistakes by offering scholarships to guys who can’t play at this level.
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The last sentence in your response tells the story as to Rutgers near term success in the B1G.Difference makers that can score right away are desperately needed and complementary type players should be avoided .
 
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Scarlet Shack

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Feb 3, 2004
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Pay attention to what Greene has to say

Now, what cannot be yet calculated, that Greene hasn’t said, is that those extra touches for others, will they be good looks because players aren’t hedging as much because Corey replacement doesn’t demand that respect. Can these guys get the same quality shot having to worry about having he ball in their hands more?

We don’t know ...so I think just letting to play out and see the vibe coming out of preseason camp. Heck, we don’t know what our complete reorder will even be for next year yet .....
 
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