How do we better compete with Penn State?
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Penn State is rated higher in some academic rankings and Rutgers is rated higher in others. Rutgers also seems to have higher SAT scores. Which basically means that on average, those who apply to Rutgers are smarter than applicants of PSU.
If you're from NJ and go to PSU for 3x the price because you think they have a pretty campus or you like the football team I guess to each their own. Just doesn't seem smart.
Whoa whoa, I’m from wildwood and I’m not trash lol. But my hate for penn st is unrivaled
They still would have competed. Because they were well coached and good football teams. What's Duke facilities like? Cutcliffe has competed in Acc. We have better facilities than all 3. We are in a talent rich state and a stones throw from the greatest city in the world. Because of this we don't need to match facilities. We've flirted with top 25-30 classes- having won nothing in a weak big east conference. That shows you what RU can do with the right coaching hire. We can get competitive talent here. Now if we ever matched resources and facilities like those schools. It's a done deal. We are right there with them- for sure
The more you post on their sight, the more you show you care so go ahead and continue.
Penn State should have gotten the “Death Penalty” after the whole Sandusky thing. It was a total lack of institutional control and they bought themselves out of trouble at the expense of innocent children. Everything about PennState is just plain creepy, creepy logo, creepy colors, creepy mascot, and every week they try to break their previous weeks record for the total number of white trash that they can fit in one venue at one time. They should re name the “White Out” the “White Trash Out”. The worst, most obnoxious fan base in college football too.
Difficult to get the right coaching hire without great facilities, because great facilities are a proxy for the commitment to excellence.
You need to understand what recruits are looking for. Recruits prefer a program that's made a commitment to excellence, vs being a stones throw from NYC. They will sacrifice location for a top notch coach, top notch tradition of success, and top notch facilities. These three factors are a proxy for the commitment to excellence, that recruits look for.
If the opportunity were to arise,
Pretty sure that Greg Schiano wouldn't return here, unless we gave him iron clad assurances that facilities will be upgraded. Without this, it's too difficult to win, because he have to settle for your third and fourth recruiting choices. This is why he wants a Tennessee caliber program or better.
Much easier to compete in the ACC, whose schools don't facilities as good as those of the Big Ten. Of ACC Schools, only Clemson has facilities that can compete with the best of the best. In the Big Ten, you have Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State , and Nebraska.
Our facilities are good enough to compete, but to win recruiting battles against OSU, PSU,and Michigan, they will have to be upgraded.
Im 200; the Hale Center Weight Room was expanded and improved. This immediately spurred recruiting. I think we will need to
Asimilarlo improve Hale Center to see an uptick in recruiting.
If Greg Schiano were the coach these past three years, we would have been much more competitive, because GS would have recruited Florida.
But I've since come to the conclusion that our coach just doesn't want to recruit Florida.
I agree 100%. not getting 5 or 6 recruits from Florida has been one of downsides of losing Greg. Sure the traveling football camps that were outlawed by the crying "big boys" against mainly Schiano, would have hurt him as well,but he would have found away.
Instead of all the “different” topic threads you start on here and the Round Table why not stick to what you really mean and just say this in all your OPs instead...
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That’s really your point/message, right?
As someone who has lived all over, I can tell you that state pride is MUCH more important FIRST than just facilities (which are needed but not the first thing).
Just an example, state kids in the south still go to their school even if they suck. Or take UMD and Edsall still getting some 4 stars compared to Flood and NJ recruits.
That culture change is important.
And 2021 full money will not do much. Schools like Ill, Purdue, IU etc have full share and still are quite mediocre compared to the elites in the conf.
And the Wisc. dominates its state before someone says anything. Many are 4 stars not rated by recruiting agencies since they dont go there much
Just an example, state kids in the south still go to their school even if they suck. Or take UMD and Edsall still getting some 4 stars compared to Flood and NJ recruits.
That culture change is important.
And 2021 full money will not do much. Schools like Ill, Purdue, IU etc have full share and still are quite mediocre compared to the elites in the conf.
And the Wisc. dominates its state before someone says anything. Many are 4 stars not rated by recruiting agencies since they dont go there much
I think that MSU will now be able to give PSU a run for their money in recruiting NJ HS football players. All those pedophile loving recruits now have a choice between two B1G East schools when they want to demonstrate their support, or at best callous indifference, towards pedophilia.
Want to compete with psu? Beat them for NJs top talent then beat them on the field....
When he took the Ped St job Franklin said he considers NJ to be "in state"... can't get more disrespectful than that.
When he took the Ped St job Franklin said he considers NJ to be "in state"... can't get more disrespectful than that.
It begins with the NJ /state culture. Lived all over. For example, alums in Cali CARE about USC and literally give away countless millions to the school. SEC schools = a religion. Wisconsin state gets all its 4 stars (yes they are known as 3 stars because analysts dont go there to evaluate). Even down I-95 in DMV there is more pride than Rutgers when it comes to recruits buying in.
Rutgers will not see growth if the culture does not change. Even if another Schiano or Lombardi comes, he will bolt for better pastures.
If being successful is important to you, you develop the connections. Shouldn't be too hard. Why not work the relationships that Flood and Schiano established?
Very concerned that we have 6 recruits signed from NY and only 4 from NJ. Our recruiting is ranked 13th out of 14 Big Ten programs by at least one source. This isn't the way to build a competitive Big Ten Program.
The gap between Rutgers and Penn State seems to be growing larger and larger day by day.
If the qbs can prove to be the real deal, the gap should start to shrink.
Tough to do when PSU has a better product. it all starts with recruiting, and unfortunately, we've got work to do in that area..
This kind of cultural shift will not happen overnight, and it will only happen if we can find consistency. Our area rewards success and is apathetic towards less than success.
To be able to compete with Penn St Rutgers needs to recruit better than they have before.
Having a fanbase that makes recruits feel they think RU is capable of a NC would help . Seeing over the top positive outlook by the RU fanbase might help those recruits think RU has the type of support that will make it a top program.
An administration that spares no expense and a core of boosters that donate large and freely would help make RU a destination to go to , not jut a possibility top recruits check out. With recruits looking at RU as a destination the talent level on the roster will rise and be able to compete with PSU/OSU/MSU.
Think I'm wrong, look at the support the schools I mentioed are getting from their administration, the donations they receive from boosters , the over the top backing their fanbases give
the FB program they follow and the 4-5* recruits that go to those schools because of what kind of all out support those programs and players in it receive .
I feel if RU looked like that when 4* recruits visit, there would be far more than the occasional one committing to be Scarlet Knights and the more talent on roster , the better chance to compete with a program considered a top 10 team.
Having a fanbase that makes recruits feel they think RU is capable of a NC would help . Seeing over the top positive outlook by the RU fanbase might help those recruits think RU has the type of support that will make it a top program.
An administration that spares no expense and a core of boosters that donate large and freely would help make RU a destination to go to , not jut a possibility top recruits check out. With recruits looking at RU as a destination the talent level on the roster will rise and be able to compete with PSU/OSU/MSU.
Think I'm wrong, look at the support the schools I mentioed are getting from their administration, the donations they receive from boosters , the over the top backing their fanbases give
the FB program they follow and the 4-5* recruits that go to those schools because of what kind of all out support those programs and players in it receive .
I feel if RU looked like that when 4* recruits visit, there would be far more than the occasional one committing to be Scarlet Knights and the more talent on roster , the better chance to compete with a program considered a top 10 team.
Penn st is nothing more than a diploma mill. They churn out as many kids as possible. Just look at how many branch campus’s they have throughout the state. That’s why they can get 100,000 cult members to show up.
Most of their fans come from branch campus. Which is definitely a diploma mill
Mad I love your passion I truly do.I had that sense of passion urgency and love for the university for over 50 years growing up in HP ,during college in Gainseville and living from Mass to San Diego .Although I am still a Rutgers fan it has just become redundant and sad.But hope springs eternal so I guess I will hang in there and keep dreaming that this lifelong nightmare will go away.
Actually, I think we have a better chance of beating PSU in a game than outrecruiting them. I know that this is a big "if", but last year, if we had a passing game, we would have given them a run for their money at Crappy Valley. We need to a passing game to be a viable threat against the top programs in the B1G East. Hopefully, in 2018 someone will step up at QB, and our young WRs like Melton, etc. will make major strides.
OK, you got us there...:flushed: Besides the fact that neither went to Rutgers, if they did, I wouldn't trade them for your shower room...
If they can't get into Rutgers or Pitt, its a good safety school. So there is that. Also, some people are really into cows.
But in all seriousness, we have a ways to go before we can match them and may not ever match them.
For now we need to focus on out recruiting every team in the Big West and being better than Indiana, Maryland and MSU.
We will beat PSU some times, heck we did beat Michigan. But we can't become like them without having a army of billionaire sugar daddies and bag men and school admins and local news reporters willing to look the other way.
In other words, that will never happen.
For now we need to focus on out recruiting every team in the Big West and being better than Indiana, Maryland and MSU.
We will beat PSU some times, heck we did beat Michigan. But we can't become like them without having a army of billionaire sugar daddies and bag men and school admins and local news reporters willing to look the other way.
In other words, that will never happen.
Don't forget a complete lack of morals and the willingness to sacrifice anything to obtain that "honor".
Calling people pedophiles because of what school they attended might be considered more disrespectful.
It ain't happening, doesn't mean we can steal some wins of course but the the gap is massive:
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ittany-lions-position-record-recruiting-class
Penn State's recruiting revival seems to have followed the most basic of formulas: cause and effect.
Cause: 22 wins in the past two seasons, including a Big Ten championship, a Fiesta Bowl title, and victories over the league's top teams and recruiting heavyweights.
Effect: a 2018 class ranked No. 5 in ESPN's rankings, which, if it holds, would be Penn State's most decorated class since ESPN started rating them in 2006.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ittany-lions-position-record-recruiting-class
Penn State's recruiting revival seems to have followed the most basic of formulas: cause and effect.
Cause: 22 wins in the past two seasons, including a Big Ten championship, a Fiesta Bowl title, and victories over the league's top teams and recruiting heavyweights.
Effect: a 2018 class ranked No. 5 in ESPN's rankings, which, if it holds, would be Penn State's most decorated class since ESPN started rating them in 2006.
They were recruiting better than us even when we finished with a better record. If we go to the Rose Bowl next year, we won’t have a top 20 class the following year I guarantee that. It isn’t as simple as just winning