People are pointing out that Bannon, Waters, and Rice also had early wins over ranked teams that showed promise for the future. Here's the difference. Bannon and Rice self destructed. No way can I see that happening with Pike. Waters was an excellent game coach who took advantage of the atmosphere he had at the RAC. But he couldn't recruit too well (Douby aside, he couldn't get enough players where we could compete for a Big East title). And even more importantly, Waters didn't understand the importance of strong assistant coaches on this level. Pike showed he understands that right from the start with the Hobbs and Knight hires. We are in good hands this time folks.
Difference between Pike and Bannon, Waters, Rice
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The common denominator among those coaches was a lack of player development. Pike seems to have made that a point of emphasis.
PIke learned coaching under Jim Calhoun at UConn, then got great experience as Head Coach at Stony Brook.
I'm not sure Bannon and Rice ever were a head coach previous to getting the RU job. Doubt they learned under someone as great as Calhoun. Waters had HC experience which is why he was a bit better than Rice and Bannon.
I'm not sure Bannon and Rice ever were a head coach previous to getting the RU job. Doubt they learned under someone as great as Calhoun. Waters had HC experience which is why he was a bit better than Rice and Bannon.
Pike is a much better all around coach, recruiter, and developer of talent. We’ve seen enough already.
He also has a better AD.
He also has a better AD.
Douby was an initial Bannon recruit to be fair. Rice developed players. They were improving. With all the nonsense that goes on in college athletics, Pitino, PSU, etc, wonder if RU should have shown a little more backbone and backed up coaches. Bannon was oh so close. Douby was really his recruit and Rice could coach. Think GW, while a great guy, did a lot on Bannon’s coattails.
Having said that Pike may be better than them all.
Having said that Pike may be better than them all.
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which brings to mind, I wonder how much conflict of emotions our AD had, if any, as the game got to be a dogfight at the end.... we know he is all in for us, every other game.
Based on what I saw on tv when they showed Pat, if there were mixed emotions he hid it well. He was very excited and happy the game was looking good for RU.
He loves Rutgers. He’s all in.
He loves Rutgers. He’s all in.
The moment in today's press conference where Pikiell fist bumps with Corey showed me a ton about how Pikiell coaches and why he won't self destruct.
Just thinking that kids like Earl Pettis and Gil Biruta would have really grown under Pike.
Bannon coached 234 games at Rider and went to the NCAA Tournament 2 years in a row before coming to RU. Rice coached 104 games at Robert Morris, winning 20 plus games every year he was there and going to the NCAA Tournament 2 years in a row as well.
They were both head coaches before Rutgers. Rice at Robert Morris and Bannon at Rider and Trenton State (before it became TCNJ).
And both went to the NCAAs at their previous jobs.
Bannon self destructed due to the fact that he was ALWAYS a head coach. He never learned under someone like Pike did w/ Calhoun. At RU the stage was too big and things that would fly at his previous stops got him fired
Bannon and Rice were both HCs before Rutgers. Bannon was at Rider, and Rice was at Robert Morris. Rice also had experience as an assistant at Pitt under Jamie Dixon. You're also overstating his experience as an assistant under Calhoun.
FWIW at the end of the day, Rutgers finally seems to have hit on a basketball coach. And we can all search the message board to find the curmudgeons who didn't want Rutgers to hire him.
Rice got more out of Biruta than Hurley did at Rhode. Biruta might not have liked it but results don’t lie.
Pike is best overall in all atributes of the 3 plus he has the support of the athletic department which the others did not. So RU seems better equipped to build on a win like this however until the wins come consecutively and regulary then we still are in a waiting game. That said Pike has clearly transformed the program and the culture of losing already
Love Coach P! Great halftime adjustment. Staff is incredibly! If we win 10 or 11 in the B1G, were dancing and Coach P will be Coach of the year !
Great win!
Said hello to former AD Bob M. at halftime. Wanted to ask him what he thought about Hobbs but I chickened out... I’m sure he knows Hobbs is a winner...
How was douby a Bannon recruit?
Douby came in year 3 of the waters era. He originally wanted to go to St. John’s but waters pulled him in.
Bannon was 3 years gone already when douby commited to RU.
Give waters credit for that One.
The thing I like about Pike is his teams look like they all know each other, went to practice together and were at some point told how to play the game. BUT it is VERY early, and I'm sure a lot of us were pretty excited about a couple of those former coaches without having Pike here to show us the difference.
We never played defense or rebounded like we do under Pike. That sets him apart.
Rice’s team played D. But we’ve never rebounded like this
In addition to all of the above factors, Pike just seems like a more mature person than Rice and Bannon. He doesn't seem to feel compelled to rely on off-color things to motivate his team.
Plus, Pike one-upped Rice defensively by coaching his team to defend intensely without fouling.
Totally disagree. Rice was not even in the same galaxy as Pikiell when it comes to developing players. Almost every player has improved tremendously under Pikiell, some are even making significant strides from game to game this season. Rice players not even close and some regressed. And of course from an ethics/emotional maturity perspective Rice and Bannon were horrible. Pikiell is a grown *** man, Bannon and Rice were kindergarten frat boys. Finally, Pikiell also much better on gameday.
Rutgers has always been able to knock off ranked teams at home ... BUT, they were always isolated, the games rocked but then we'd be blown out in other games and it wouldn't realllly matter in the grand scope of a season ..... today's win, was a gratification that the #3 MSU game and the now 11-0 #19 FSU game were not flukes, but this team is actually good and can play with anybody. Our defense is one of the scariest in the nation. Has held multiple great offenses to close games. This one, means something...
Was not comparing. Love Pike! Rices’s issue was not player development. If the crap doesn’t happen who knows? Think he was much better than Waters. Again everything relative. They weren’t horrible and in retrospect almost look innocent.