Who do you think should get more minutes? I personally like Sa a little more and would like to see him get more minutes like last night. Doorson is a big body that gets a decent amount of rebounds but I think is more limited athletically and has trouble on defense. Sa has his troubles too but I think has looked better through out his limited minutes
Doorson vs Sa
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If there are 20 minutes to spread out between them I'd give Sa 12 and Doorson 8. I agree with your evaluation and I'd also add that Sa
has made a few shots from short range/top of the key.
I would also like to see Dadika take away some of Mensah minutes over the next few Dec games and keep both on the bench against SHU.
has made a few shots from short range/top of the key.
I would also like to see Dadika take away some of Mensah minutes over the next few Dec games and keep both on the bench against SHU.
Should say mostly about matchups. Sa' has the upper hand. If he brings energy most nights he gets the minutes
Sa should get more. He's more versatile and could even play the 4 when Doorson is the 5. He's just a more valuable player for the team than Doorson. Doorson has his role, but it is more limited than Sa.
Rutgers needs more scoring from the center position.On a side note I don't believe Rutgers has won a opening jump ball all season.
Sa is strange. Looks terrible at the foul line but appears to have a nice mid range stroke. Very odd.
I wonder if so many games in a short period plays any factor on how much Sa or Doorson play.
I was very surprised Sa was in the game instead of Duke when njit needed to foul RU. Duke looks good at the line.
I wonder if so many games in a short period plays any factor on how much Sa or Doorson play.
I was very surprised Sa was in the game instead of Duke when njit needed to foul RU. Duke looks good at the line.
My only guess is that Pikiell had Sa in the game to give him some confidence at the line. It backfired.
Duke has a sweet stroke, not sure what his % Is on the season but might be our best free throw shooter
Unfortunately, Sa doesn't produce much of anything on either side of the floor when he's in there. He looks the part but has disappointed for a season plus so far.
Not sure why you feel that way. Offensively, sure - but he is a contributor on the defensive side of the floor.
Sa is a very good rebounder while he's in the game. He actually has more rebounds per minute played than anyone on the team, leaning more toward the defensive end. He also has more blocks per minute played than anyone else, and more steals per minute than the other centers... while still fouling the least frequently of our centers.
Sa's presence on the court is defensive, and used situationally against more mobile bigs. He's not an offensive contributor from a points or assists perspective, so it's easy to dismiss his contribution - but he puts in good defensive minutes, largely without fouling.
Against NJIT, he scored just 2 points in 18 minutes and was 0-3 on FTs.... but he had 8 rbs, 3 blks, and 1 stl while committing just 1 turnover and 1 foul.
It is totally based on who we play for these two. That clarification made, Doorson all the way. Shaq is a big body who moves better than you would expect. And he can score a little bit. And he isn’t bad at distributing the ball. Sa is very good at blocks. He is an okay rebounder as is Shaq. But he can’t shoot for crap. Even directly under the basket. I send him telepathy messages every game- “just dunk the f’ing ball!” Never saw a guy that big blow so many easy ones. Neither are great at the line but Shaq might be slightly better. Sa overalll has been a disappointment after early promise.
Doorson's lateral quickness is still a work in progress, and he's behind Sa there... maybe he still just needs more S&C coming off his foot injury. Put him against a 6-9 center with some agility, and he'll get blown past and be forced to foul or give up points. He's much better than Sa at banging against big 6-11 plus guys, though, as Sa starts to get pushed around if he gives up too much size.
We're going to run into more of a problem with a guy like Haas, who is a big banger with quickness/agility. I'm expecting lots of doubles, as Sa will be at risk of being outmuscled and Doorson will be at risk of being out maneuvered.
Yeah - that's why I was taking into account minutes. He's shown good defensive numbers for the minutes he's played - but he doesn't see a lot of minutes, because he's only 6-9, 227 and doesn't match up well against a lot of centers we play. By comparison, Omoruyi outweighs him but is two inches shorter - so a 6-11, 250 center is just going to push Sa around (let alone Haas, who is 7-4, 290)
His size is not the problem. He does not hold onto the ball. The skillset you need at his position is not what he possesses as a player.
On the contrary, Mike Williams does not have the size, but he has the skill and will. Omoyuri, and Freeman,too.
You seem to be back on offense. I readily concede that's not Sa's strength - defensively, though, he's been solid. Defense and rebounding he does pretty well - and those are Pike's key areas of focus. He doesn't seem to have the skillset to light up the scoreboard.
"Skill and the will" works for rebounding, fighting for loose balls, and clogging passing lanes... but it doesn't work when you're being backed down on the block by someone who has 50 pounds on you. A 6-9, 227 Sa is not going to be able to defend a guy like Haas at 7-4, 290 - no matter the skill or the will - so you're not likely to see him out there at the 5 when Haas is on the floor, unless we're in serious foul trouble. Doorson will be asked to put a body on him at 7-0, 275... but Haas has much more quickness.
So far, Sa has seen >6 minutes against four teams:
NJIT - biggest player was 6-9, 235
Coppin St - biggest player was 6-8, 210
Cleveland St - biggest player was 6-9, 220
Central CT - biggest player was 6-9, 220
Doorson has seen >5 min against the other 5 Div-I teams:
Mich St - biggest player 6-11, 242
Minn - biggest player 6-10, 257
FSU - two 7-footers at 233+
ECU - biggest 6-10, 235
Bryant - biggest 6-10, 190
Slower, bigger centers saw Doorson check in.... smaller, faster centers saw Sa check in. That's likely how the rest of the season will go, too.
In the four Div-I games where Sa saw >6 min of action, he averaged:
14.8 min, 1.3 pts, 5.3 rbs, 1.5 blk, 0.8 to, 1.8 pf
Certainly not impressive offensively, but those aren't bad stats defensively for a center... but limited to games where he was playing a center that wasn't bigger than he was, to be sure.
For comparison, here was Doucoure in those same 4 games:
15.5 min, 2.5 pts, 4.8 rbs, 0.3 blk, 1.3 to, 2.3 pf
First four games of the season? Not putting too much stock into 30 point blowouts.we'll see how he looks against big ten comp. I think doucoure plays well against better opponents.
He does, definitely - was only using him for comparison from a defensive perspective. Sa's deficits are mostly on the offensive side - he plays decently on the defensive side. The four games where Sa has seen minutes are Games 2, 3, 4, and 10. (I generally don't include CCNY when I look at stats)
If the trend holds, we'll likely see Sa play more minutes than Doorson tonight against FDU (their biggest body is 6-9, 215 but he only sees 5 min.... the biggest body who sees time is just 6-8, 195)). It'll likely be Doucoure backed up by Sa at the 5.
Sa just hasn't really found his rhythm. He came out last year shooting 3's if I remember correctly. I am surprised that his Offensive game hasn't improved. There is talent there, Strange with all of the good things going on around this team to fell like a player has regressed.
He plays for baguettes
Also, if shaq would just move his body towards the ball and stop reaching for rebounds he would be much more effective on the glass.
Doorson is a big body but he can't move his feet so he doesn't get the rebounds and blocked shots that someone his size should get. I wonder if he's again having foot problems. I'd give Sa more minutes.