Can you teach shooting?

higgins3

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It is a lot more than practice for Issa and Corey. Pure practice is going backwards.

To add set shots are easy. Learning a jump shot is VERY difficult. In the driveway most of us can get in a rhythm and look the part. Try shooting 12 inches in the air. IMPOSSIBLE!

While someone has a hand in your face, and you are exhausted.
 
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TDIrish27

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Was always taught that just going out and shooting 200-300 shots is useless

Go out and run a series of wind sprints--------then work on your shooting.
 
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RUich

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I recently heard this quote from a track coach. It pretty much sums up what any coach can do with any player in any sport.
"I can make you faster, but I can't make you fast"
I'm sure good coaching can make any shooter better than he is, but you can't make a mediocre shooter a great shooter, just better than he was.
 

Scarlet Shack

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Lol

The elephant in the room here is that people are forgetting the speed of the game at their level and because how bjg the kids are...how fast the recover and how little time there is to shoot

As a result...besides having perfecting trained upper body form ...you MUST have properly trained Lower body form to have the strength and stamina under duress to shoot

A big issue with shooting is that when you don't have the proper S&C...you are tired and some of those automatic mental parts of shooting (especially on free throw shooting) are compromised

S&C is a big part of major college basketball shooting success
 
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Scarlet Shack

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Was always taught that just going out and shooting 200-300 shots is useless

Go out and run a series of wind sprints--------then work on your shooting.

Absolutely 100% correct ...must learn to focus tonshoot under physical and mental distress...closest thing you can do stimulate game conditions
 

RU848789

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I recently heard this quote from a track coach. It pretty much sums up what any coach can do with any player in any sport.
"I can make you faster, but I can't make you fast"
I'm sure good coaching can make any shooter better than he is, but you can't make a mediocre shooter a great shooter, just better than he was.

Absolutely correct. The amount of improvement that anyone can have in just about any athletic endeavor is minimal to modest, at best.
 

SkilletHead2

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Yeah but he was always a good shooter. Bulls fans didn't cringe when he put up a shot when he was a rookie.
No, he but his 3 pt % went from 13% in 87-88 (and he still led the league in scoring) to 38% two years later (once again leading the league in scoring). In 95-96 he shot 43% from 3. Interesting stats.
 

LotusAggressor_rivals

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Yeah but he was always a good shooter. Bulls fans didn't cringe when he put up a shot when he was a rookie.
Jordan was a much better shooter after a few years in the NBA than he ever was at UNC. He was a drive-and-dunk guy in college. He learned that the level of defense in NBA necessitated being able to shoot the ball, and he improved that part of his game exponentially.
 

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Patrick Ewing had very limited offensive skill set in college and blossomed in the NBA.
 

SkilletHead2

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Absolutely correct. The amount of improvement that anyone can have in just about any athletic endeavor is minimal to modest, at best.
That's kind of the issue here. How much can you improve? If you are talking about guys already at a high level, for example, our basketball team, the question of how much can they improve their shooting is an interesting one.

I agree that there seems to be guys who are "natural born" shooters, but I wonder what that is (are they also great at other skill/coordination activities -- some can't hand a ball well)?

Free throw shooting is the thing that always gets me in particular. Hard to imagine guys who absolutely cannot shoot free throws.
 

PatrickRU92

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Jordan was a much better shooter after a few years in the NBA than he ever was at UNC. He was a drive-and-dunk guy in college. He learned that the level of defense in NBA necessitated being able to shoot the ball, and he improved that part of his game exponentially.
No argument but he was never a crappy shooter. Hell he hit an 18 footer to win the NCAA as a freshman. And it's kind of hard to point to the greatest of all time as an example of getting better
 

RUich

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Free throw shooting is the thing that always gets me in particular. Hard to imagine guys who absolutely cannot shoot free throws.
Totally agree! I have to think the decline in being able to do something so much simpler than creating a shot with a defender all over you is just mind blowing.
Way too much hot dogging by so many players and little work on fundamentals.
 

hiwater

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It is a lot more than practice for Issa and Corey. Pure practice is going backwards.

To add set shots are easy. Learning a jump shot is VERY difficult. In the driveway most of us can get in a rhythm and look the part. Try shooting 12 inches in the air. IMPOSSIBLE!
Thiam biggest problem is that he drifts to the direction that he receives a pass from before he shoots and he is moving to the ball on the weave. That is most of his shots. He look looks good shooting when he takes a pass standing still(out side of the release point). I don't think hit a shot all last year when taking a pass on the move. He has to learn to stop and go straight up as several others have mentioned here.
 

Scarlet Shack

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What you can't teach is the timing balance

The physical balance of shooting can be improved with S&C

The timing of the weight shift balance is something you have as part of a natural shooting stroke or not as it is part of fluid motion
 

SkilletHead2

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Actually, Jordan was a crappy 3 pt shooter for his first four years in the NBA. Didn't take many and hit very few. The next four he improved dramatically, and improved again the next four. Tailed off on 3 pt production when he made his comeback. BTW, led the league in points per game 10 times, including when he was doing next to nil as a 3 pt shooter!

Years/ Games played/ # of 3's made/ 3 pt %
1st 4/ 264/ 31/ 16%
2nd 4/ 323/ 175/ 33%
3rd 4/ 259/ 319/ 39%
 
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RUsince52

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I believe good shooters are born. But to your question, the answer is yes, you can teach shooting and bad shooters can become OK shooters and good shooters can get even better. However, if you think you are going to make a 60% foul shoot an 85% foul shooter, the answer is no.
I'm with you. Good shooters have a certain feel when releasing their shots and mediocre ones don't. You can probably become a better shooter for some on open looks, but if we're talking creating shots on the move, probably not.
 

NBKnight

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I'm with you. Good shooters have a certain feel when releasing their shots and mediocre ones don't. You can probably become a better shooter for some on open looks, but if we're talking creating shots on the move, probably not.

Being a great shooter and being able to create shots on the move are two separate skills.

Steve Kerr shot 45% from 3 in the NBA, he was a great shooter but not a guy who created shots.