OT: New Jersey beers

[RU_Planning]

I guess you're a pretentious Brooklyn hipster dufus that has to be the "first" guy to discover every artisanal craft beer he drinks.

Or maybe we're both just relying on stupid generalizations and should shut up.

And just so OP doesn't go crying to the mods ... The NJ craft beer movement really got rolling after I moved away (to better craft beer areas), so the brewery I'm most familiar with is River Horse, which was around back when I was. Their special ale is one I always liked. I'll have to try some others on this thread when I see them.

You should really take a step back from the message board world. You are so included to throw insults out once anyone challenges your point of view, it is likely not healthy.

Craft beer is more than just a beer. Supporting craft beer against establishment beer promotes entrepreneurship and has helped revitalize a number of small towns and neighborhoods that have had industry abandon them. Is one small brewer saving the world? No, but the effect of more and more craft breweries is having a clear impact on the beer drinking industry and community revitalization. Establishment beer relies on advertising and alcoholism, as demonstrated by the money spent on advertising and the fact the majority of alcohol sales come from the top 10% of alcohol drinkers, which average over 70 drinks per week.

I try to support local businesses whenever I have the opportunity and I do the same with buying products made in the US. You will find that the quality is significantly higher when you do. While it may cost more, you will also accumulate less crap.

Are all craft beers good? Of course not, some will succeed, some will fail. Some brewers will have a broad selection that should really just focus on one or two types, others can't make anything outstanding, but can make average to above average drinkable beers. I applaud even the mediocre craft brewers that take the effort and risk to be an entrepreneur. However, I will take the best of the best in the craft beer world over the best of the best in the establishment beer world any day of the week.

 

[FanuSanu52]

You should really take a step back from the message board world. You are so included to throw insults out once anyone challenges your point of view, it is likely not healthy.

Craft beer is more than just a beer. Supporting craft beer against establishment beer promotes entrepreneurship and has helped revitalize a number of small towns and neighborhoods that have had industry abandon them. Is one small brewer saving the world? No, but the effect of more and more craft breweries is having a clear impact on the beer drinking industry and community revitalization. Establishment beer relies on advertising and alcoholism, as demonstrated by the money spent on advertising and the fact the majority of alcohol sales come from the top 10% of alcohol drinkers, which average over 70 drinks per week.

I try to support local businesses whenever I have the opportunity and I do the same with buying products made in the US. You will find that the quality is significantly higher when you do. While it may cost more, you will also accumulate less crap.

Are all craft beers good? Of course not, some will succeed, some will fail. Some brewers will have a broad selection that should really just focus on one or two types, others can't make anything outstanding, but can make average to above average drinkable beers. I applaud even the mediocre craft brewers that take the effort and risk to be an entrepreneur. However, I will take the best of the best in the craft beer world over the best of the best in the establishment beer world any day of the week.

Thanks for the e-diagnosis, doc, but where did I insult you? Show me specifics within the full context of my post. My point was, very simply, don't make stupid generalizations. WTF does McDonald's or Chef Boyardee have to do with anything besides you trying to be smug and insulting ... about your very cool choice in beer. I'm having trouble hearing you from up on your hypocritical high horse, so if you want to keep chatting, step down a while.

As for the rest, why's it so important that folks buy into your trendy groupthink? I've admitted that I buy mostly craft beer and merely questioned the idea that a beer you liked before suddenly tastes worse because you realize it's from one of the big brewing corps. I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy one way or the other, or do anything but drink whatever the hell they want. Yet at least three people have felt compelled to write out tl;dr diatribes about why their choice in beer is the bestest. Yes, we're all very impressed with your philanthropic beer guzzling - they should make an award ceremony or something just for true saints like you!

It's okay to be a sheep, but you should recognize there are a lot of other creatures out there that aren't sheep and never will be. It's okay; it makes the world more interesting.

 

[RU_Planning]

Thanks for the e-diagnosis, doc, but where did I insult you? Show me specifics within the full context of my post. My point was, very simply, don't make stupid generalizations. WTF does McDonald's or Chef Boyardee have to do with anything besides you trying to be smug and insulting ... about your very cool choice in beer. I'm having trouble hearing you from up on your hypocritical high horse, so if you want to keep chatting, step down a while.

As for the rest, why's it so important that folks buy into your trendy groupthink? I've admitted that I buy mostly craft beer and merely questioned the idea that a beer you liked before suddenly tastes worse because you realize it's from one of the big brewing corps. I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy one way or the other, or do anything but drink whatever the hell they want. Yet at least three people have felt compelled to write out tl;dr diatribes about why their choice in beer is the bestest. Yes, we're all very impressed with your philanthropic beer guzzling - they should make an award ceremony or something just for true saints like you!

It's okay to be a sheep, but you should recognize there are a lot of other creatures out there that aren't sheep and never will be. It's okay; it makes the world more interesting.

I am glad you think someone is a sheep for buying craft beer and supporting small businesses.

 

[FanuSanu52]

I am glad you think someone is a sheep for buying craft beer and supporting small businesses.

Not to be too "insulting" but your whole "it's more than just beer" spiel could have been a marketing campaign for the Brewer's Association ... had it not immediately realized it was hollow marketing speak that even a guy with 14 Imperial IPAs in him would see right through. Maybe you paraphrased an article from their newsletter, leaving out the real information in favor of the feel-good talking points?

 

[1766mike]

Agree on getting to Flying Fish in Somerdale. Their Exit 16 Double IPAs is one of my current favorites.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

Establishment beer relies on advertising and alcoholism, as demonstrated by the money spent on advertising and the fact the majority of alcohol sales come from the top 10% of alcohol drinkers, which average over 70 drinks per week.
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Holy crap, 70 drinks per week? Just when I feel I'm drinking too much, I'll remind myself that I never come close to the top 10% of alcohol drinkers. My liver thanks you for this statistic.

 

[RU_Planning]

Not to be too "insulting" but your whole "it's more than just beer" spiel could have been a marketing campaign for the Brewer's Association ... had it not immediately realized it was hollow marketing speak that even a guy with 14 Imperial IPAs in him would see right through. Maybe you paraphrased an article from their newsletter, leaving out the real information in favor of the feel-good talking points?

And you wonder why no one on these boards takes you seriously.

I don't receive marketing campaign material from the Brewer's Association, I am not a member of such organization. I happen to like to try a variety of beers when I drink (about 4-6 per week on average).

However, I do have a number of years of experience in real estate, urban planning and redevelopment to know the local impact that not only small craft breweries have on neighborhoods, but also other entrepreneurial endeavors, whether they be food-based (new restaurants sourcing ingredients from the region), drink-based (apple farms in upstate NY now distilling vodka), manufacturing-based (furniture and clothes manufacturing), or tech.

How we spend out money is very powerful. When you buy local it keeps the dollars local. When you buy from small businesses, the money stays in the hands of small businesses. I am not going to rail poor wages and corporate welfare while shopping at Walmart. I am not going to complain about trade deals and buy clothes manufactured in China (ala Donald Trump). If you want your communities filled with Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, Dominos, etc, so be it.

 

[RU_Planning]

Holy crap, 70 drinks per week? Just when I feel I'm drinking too much, I'll remind myself that I never come close to the top 10% of alcohol drinkers. My liver thanks you for this statistic.

It is scary. I didn't believe it at first, but one time my doctor asked if I drank I said yes, and he said how many drinks per week. I said 6, he said so you don't drink.

Just shows you how an entire industry preys on people's weaknesses. If we were to wipe out alcoholism, many of these large beer companies would go bankrupt.

 

[FanuSanu52]

And you wonder why no one on these boards takes you seriously.

I don't receive marketing campaign material from the Brewer's Association, I am not a member of such organization. I happen to like to try a variety of beers when I drink (about 4-6 per week on average).

However, I do have a number of years of experience in real estate, urban planning and redevelopment to know the local impact that not only small craft breweries have on neighborhoods, but also other entrepreneurial endeavors, whether they be food-based (new restaurants sourcing ingredients from the region), drink-based (apple farms in upstate NY now distilling vodka), manufacturing-based (furniture and clothes manufacturing), or tech.

How we spend out money is very powerful. When you buy local it keeps the dollars local. When you buy from small businesses, the money stays in the hands of small businesses. I am not going to rail poor wages and corporate welfare while shopping at Walmart. I am not going to complain about trade deals and buy clothes manufactured in China (ala Donald Trump). If you want your communities filled with Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, Dominos, etc, so be it.

So, the very same thin-skin that complained about insults now resorts to more hollow groupthink, saying no one takes me seriously ... because I called out his completely transparent pile of ********. Very hurtful ... to your own argument and sense of righteousness.

Like I said, do what you want ... just stop patting yourself on the back in long, drawn-out posts. Cheers [cheers]

 

[RU_Planning]

So, the very same thin-skin that complained about insults now resorts to more hollow groupthink, saying no one takes me seriously ... because I called out his completely transparent pile of ********. Very hurtful ... to your own argument and sense of righteousness.

Like I said, do what you want ... just stop patting yourself on the back in long, drawn-out posts. Cheers [cheers]

You attempted to call out what you ignorantly thought was a "transparent pile of ********", yet provided absolutely no evidence to support what I stated was BS, while I briefly further explained my position. If you can't do the same, please stop responding.

 

[FanuSanu52]

You attempted to call out what you ignorantly thought was a "transparent pile of ********", yet provided absolutely no evidence to support what I stated was BS, while I briefly further explained my position. If you can't do the same, please stop responding.

Lol ...I hate to break up a really pretentious rant, but ... "I know the local impact that not only small craft breweries have on neighborhoods, but also other entrepreneurial endeavors" is not actually evidence. It's just a vague allusion to unstated facts (********) meant to support the previous statement you made up to make yourself sound good (more ********).

If you're so worried about the blighted neighborhoods that your beloved craft beer has apparently magically fairy dusted into modern day success stories, shouldn't you be supporting the big beer corps and all the jobs that they provide, often in blighted cities and neighborhoods? Or does the storyline only feel cool and trendy when it's a Cascade-hopped IPA-to-urban bliss transition?

 

[RUHotTrumpetMonkeyLove]

I have no affiliation with this website, but it's a pretty comprehensive list. Good resource.

https://newjerseycraftbeer.com/new-jersey-breweries/

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

excellent, will do....not sure anyone here knew 3 Floyd's beers at all...

RUinOhio -

I would be interested in discussing a Ohio / 3Fs / NJ trade partnership. I have good access to most NJ breweries and a decent stash of desirable stouts, porters, and barrel aged stuff. Send me a note to RUshore99 at hotmail dot com. Cheers.

 

[MrWise]

excellent, will do....not sure anyone here knew 3 Floyd's beers at all...

RUOhio, if you are looking to trade for some local NJ and PA favorites that you cannot get in Ohio, drop me a line as well at wise456 at aol dot com

 

[Zak57]

RUOhio, if you are looking to trade for some local NJ and PA favorites that you cannot get in Ohio, drop me a line as well at wise456 at aol dot com

I'd also be in for some kind of beer swap granted we can come down with a good way to do it.

 

[BumpyAZ]

excellent, will do....not sure anyone here knew 3 Floyd's beers at all...

Best beer in NJ is my homebrew Zombie Dust clone! According to my wife that is, I wouldn't toot my own horn like that!

What Ohio breweries do you have access too? Haven't done any trading for awhile but I wouldn't mind trying something new.

 

[anon_xekqhstck0ygt]

Cool I should have posted about trades a long time ago...I can get Jackie O's, Hoppin' Frog, Brew Kettle, which won a best in US IPA contest. Lucky me lives a block away from their brand new second location. Great Lakes obviously but you can get most of their stuff out there now. There's a new small brewery called Hoof Hearted (say it fast) and they make some of the best beers (so I've been told). Only way to get it is a ticket system every few weeks. Lucky me scored a ticket for Roller Blabe DIPA for Sunday release. Also have access to Columbus Brewing, Fat Head's (Hop Juju is the whale), Thirsty Dog. There are others of course, but those are the big ones.

I come across 3 Floyd's all the time. Have some Zombie Dust in my basement right now. I have a case of Gumballhead and Yum Yum and various bombers. I live in a smaller town and made friends with a couple store owners. I get calls whenever they get FFF, so I can regularly trade that, too. And I'm going to Dark Lord Day at the end of April.

We can do a small trade to get it going and see where it leads.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/articl...116-of-the-best-american-ipas-we-hav.html?a=1

RUOhio, if you are looking to trade for some local NJ and PA favorites that you cannot get in Ohio, drop me a line as well at wise456 at aol dot com

I'd also be in for some kind of beer swap granted we can come down with a good way to do it.

Best beer in NJ is my homebrew Zombie Dust clone! According to my wife that is, I wouldn't toot my own horn like that!

What Ohio breweries do you have access too? Haven't done any trading for awhile but I wouldn't mind trying something new.

 

[ElmiraExpress]

Was just at Demented yesterday, nice selection, they just tapped their Kiwi IPA yesterday, it was very good. It's only about 15 min from me so I shoot over every few weeks.

Thanks Doteman and SouthJerseyRU. I didn't know about Demented Brewery until your posts. I work near there and stopped there this evening. They gave me a personalized tour and I sampled 4 beers (4 ounces each). As you said, the Kiwi IPA was very good. I think it will only be available for another week. I thought the beer was very good.

 

[S_Janowski]

Yep, that's Demented, and when Flying Fish came out with Exit 9, a red ale, a few years back, the label referred to it as a "hoppy scarlet ale" and had a mention of Rutgers in the description behind the beer.

"Stop seven on our multi-year trip to explore the state of New Jersey through its beer and culture, is Exit 9, best known as the Rutgers University exit. The state’s university, Rutgers, began in 1771 with classes held at a local tavern though by 1810, students were banned from frequenting “beer and oyster houses.” Alumni include Nobel Laureates, astronauts, brewery founders, authors, actors and perhaps most notably, the cartoon character Mr. Magoo.

"To celebrate Exit 9, we brewed a richly flavored red beer crafted with a variety of domestic and imported malts and a classic American yeast strain. Assertively hopped with Amarillo, Centennial, Chinook and Citra, the bouquet has complex notes of citrus and tropical fruits, with an appropriate bitterness in the finish. Serve it with spicy foods (try gumbo or curry), a rich blue or sharp cheddar cheese or enjoy it by itself."

Flying Fish Founder is also a Rutgers Camden grad.

 

[robcac26]

Flying Fish Founder is also a Rutgers Camden grad.

Yep, that's what they were referring to on the label of that beer "Alumni include...brewery founders" haha

 

[seels2662]

Funny story I was in a beer fest in PA about 10 years ago when I first tried High Point (Ramstein) Brewery. At the time I lived in an apartment in Bloomingdale. Asked them where they were located, little did I know they were about a mile from my apartment in Butler.