the Beginning of the End

[RizwranIII]

I have not been a CVS fan for a number of years now. She was a master at defense. A recruiting giant. Offensively not much to talk about. Over the last few years, the defense has slowly went down. The offense is still a big negative. And the most important thing that has allowed CVS to stay relevant, her recruiting, has taken a nose dive.

Right now we have 4 McDonald's All Americans on our roster. A bit lower than the average amount that normally is part of a Rutgers Women's B-Ball team. To put this in perspective...Our current 4 McDonald's All-Americans is more than at least 50% of the current Big Ten teams total McD All-American combined for the history of their programs.

What I am trying to say is that CVS's below average coaching skills, have resulted in above .500 record and mediocre post season records in spite of having amazing talent.

The storm looms. CVS's only remaining strength (recruiting), as I said, has taken a nose dive. Next years class not only lacks any McDonald AA's, but lack any top 100 players.

Next year will have only one remaining McD AA...Tyler S. We will be grateful to finish ,500. It will be an abysmal season.

But wait until the next year.

I figure CVS will see the writing on the wall and will retire before the sh...t hits the fan. And when the next coach comes in w a crappy hand to deal with, the pundits will call for the return of the legendry coach Stringer
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I know I will get a lot of crap for this post. I just ask you to remember it 2 years from now.

 

[Abro1975]

23-10 Last year !! Let's fire the Hall of Fame Coach !! Maybe hire an Eddie Jordan type mastermind to reinvigorate the woman's team !

Wait ! We can steal Geno !

 

[RizwranIII]

23-10 Last year !! Let's fire the Hall of Fame Coach !! Maybe hire an Eddie Jordan type mastermind to reinvigorate the woman's team !

Wait ! We can steal Geno !

23-10 Last year !! Let's fire the Hall of Fame Coach !! Maybe hire an Eddie Jordan type mastermind to reinvigorate the woman's team !

Wait ! We can steal Geno !

23-10 with (Then) 6 McDonald All American's. Do you truly think that Geno would have come close to losing 10 TEN games. Again...she got the 23 wins because of the talent she ineffectively used. Check out the 10 loses. Do you really believe a team w 6 McD AA's should lose to all thouse teams.

AND what about this yaer w 4 McD AA's. Seton Hall DESTROYS us. WE lose to St John's. When do you remember Seton Hall being competitive w us and beating us SO BAD-LY.

Please look past your HALL of Fame Caoch Rosey Collored Glasses!
@#

 

[RizwranIII]

23-10 with (Then) 6 McDonald All American's. Do you truly think that Geno would have come close to losing 10 TEN games. Again...she got the 23 wins because of the talent she ineffectively used. Check out the 10 loses. Do you really believe a team w 6 McD AA's should lose to all thouse teams.

AND what about this yaer w 4 McD AA's. Seton Hall DESTROYS us. WE lose to St John's. When do you remember Seton Hall being competitive w us and beating us SO BAD-LY.

Please look past your HALL of Fame Caoch Rosey Collored Glasses!
@#

Sorry for the splelling

 

[Abro1975]

"Sorry for the splelling"

Got to admit, that made me laught

 

[LtCol144_rivals]

23-10 with (Then) 6 McDonald All American's. Do you truly think that Geno would have come close to losing 10 TEN games. Again...she got the 23 wins because of the talent she ineffectively used. Check out the 10 loses. Do you really believe a team w 6 McD AA's should lose to all thouse teams.

AND what about this yaer w 4 McD AA's. Seton Hall DESTROYS us. WE lose to St John's. When do you remember Seton Hall being competitive w us and beating us SO BAD-LY.

Please look past your HALL of Fame Caoch Rosey Collored Glasses!
@#

4 AA last year and 3 this year

 

[Turtle31]

The women's team will not get much attention from the administration until the men's team is addressed. Just my opinion.

 

[RutgersDon]

I agree

 

[oldtimer67]

How many wins does she need to get to 1000? Would you fire her and let her get that milestone somewhere else?

 

[Turtle31]

I believe she is at 968, which would mean she should hit that at some point during the '17-'18 season unless the wheels completely fall off the wagon.

That timeline aligns closely with her latest contract, doesn't it? More support for the argument that this was intended to be her final contract before retirement. Hit 1,000 while still coaching RU, get the well deserved career accolades, and enjoy retirement. Makes sense, although plenty of fans will be frustrated by that scenario, b/c change would still be a couple years in the making.

 

[oldtimer67]

Anyone else note that mighty Tennessee is now out of the top 25 for the first time in 31 years? Why does everyone think that these things only happen at RU?

 

[bac2therac]

Anyone else note that mighty Tennessee is now out of the top 25 for the first time in 31 years? Why does everyone think that these things only happen at RU?

we have been out of the top 25 for 7 years not one week

 

[Turtle31]

Anyone else note that mighty Tennessee is now out of the top 25 for the first time in 31 years? Why does everyone think that these things only happen at RU?

I did see that yesterday, and thought "darn, now UConn has the longest streak"
Any RU fan would gladly take just half a season of being ranked......

 

[MADHAT1]

How many wins does she need to get to 1000? Would you fire her and let her get that milestone somewhere else?

Doubt some of the complainers care.
It's what have you done lately that counts in this I want it now world.
Can't blame the need it now , get out of the way types, just because I'm not wired that way and value past accomplishments and want Stringer to get her 1000th as the RU WBB HC before becoming Coach Emeritus.

 

[MADHAT1]

Anyone else note that mighty Tennessee is now out of the top 25 for the first time in 31 years? Why does everyone think that these things only happen at RU?

Hey that doesn't matter, only thing that matters is change is needed and Rutgers has history of not sparing the expense to hire the best and like the MBB program will be an instant success by bring in Stringer's replacement.

 

[MADHAT1]

we have been out of the top 25 for 7 years not one week

Rutgers women’s basketball ranked No. 24 to in preseason AP Top 25 | Scarlet Scuttlebutt
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/ru...tball-ranked-no-24-to-in-preseason-ap-top-25/

 

[dmd78]

Hey that doesn't matter, only thing that matters is change is needed and Rutgers has history of not sparing the expense to hire the best and like the MBB program will be an instant success by bring in Stringer's replacement.

[roll]

 

[shields]

Nebraska had a girl who hit 6 threes in a game this year. When are we getting a girl who can shoot like that?

 

[bac2therac]

Rutgers women’s basketball ranked No. 24 to in preseason AP Top 25 | Scarlet Scuttlebutt
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/ru...tball-ranked-no-24-to-in-preseason-ap-top-25/

wow big deal...I don't dispute a few weeks here or there..thats not point but of course you had to go dig that up to try and prove me wrong...fact is Rutgers has not been a part of the landscape of top 25 basketball as a regular for about 7 years now so clearly the program has fallen off the map.

 

[bac2therac]

Nebraska had a girl who hit 6 threes in a game this year. When are we getting a girl who can shoot like that?

Ohio State, Minnesota, and Michigan State are scoring over 100 points. Big 10 is filled with scorers, at RU their offense is coached out of them

 

[Scarletwoman]

Ohio State, Minnesota, and Michigan State are scoring over 100 points. Big 10 is filled with scorers, at RU their offense is coached out of them

You are such a downer on wbb and I wish you wouldn't post here because it keeps me away. Go cheer on your non win in B1G mbb team. Really give it up. Diana if I violated rules ban me and I will not return. I haven't posted for weeks because of all these neanderthals. So goodbye.

 

[Turtle31]

Scarlet, you could always just hit the ignore button, using Bac as an excuse for not posting seems silly.
I've had some of my posts frowned upon when they come off too negative to the regulars, and I made a conscious decision not to let that bother me.
Go ahead and post what you want.

 

[RizwranIII]

4 AA last year and 3 this year

TY. My mistake. I thought Syessence Davis was a McD AA...only a nominee.

Hollivay would have been a McD AA (No 9 player/No 2 post player in the country) I remember she and her coach were kicked of the HS team in her senior year due to a profanity filled argument.

 

[RizwranIII]

Anyone else note that mighty Tennessee is now out of the top 25 for the first time in 31 years? Why does everyone think that these things only happen at RU?

What does that have to do with the post. They also have a coach that should go and is living off the past. The only difference is that at Tenn the coach is living off the past of a different coach.

Making the NCAA's last year at RUwould be fantastic for most coaches. Maybe worthy of a contract extension or a raise. But we have to compare last year and the last few years to what we and CVS herself expects from her performance.

This thread is called "The Beginning of the End" not the End. But see a dramatic drop coming in the next 2 years due to what I originally stated.

 

[RizwranIII]

Rutgers women’s basketball ranked No. 24 to in preseason AP Top 25 | Scarlet Scuttlebutt
http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/ru...tball-ranked-no-24-to-in-preseason-ap-top-25/

This isn't the first season we didn't meet PRESEASON predictions.

 

[Scarletwoman]

Scarlet, you could always just hit the ignore button, using Bac as an excuse for not posting seems silly.
I've had some of my posts frowned upon when they come off too negative to the regulars, and I made a conscious decision not to let that bother me.
Go ahead and post what you want.

What about I ignore both of you.

 

[Scarletwoman]

What about I ignore both of you.

Liked that the wbb won 8 B1G games. Tell me again how many mbb won? Get over yourselves.

 

[oldtimer67]

So many MBB fans will do anything to draw attention away from that disaster. It is just a combination of jealousy and greed. They know that MBB has never come close to what WBB has accomplished (since 1976) and they want the money spent on WBB to be reallocated to MBB. The latter is not going to happen. It is called Title IX.

Over the last 15 years WBB has been the most successful program in RU athletics. Now it is just above average so the MBB fans come out of the woodwork to attack it. Reasonable people know that there is no connection between the success or funding of the two programs. MBB fans would kill to be as successful as WBB this year.

If you don't believe this is a MBB vs WBB issue, just read the Minnesota game thread on the MBB board.

 

[Raritan83]

So many MBB fans will do anything to draw attention away from that disaster. It is just a combination of jealousy and greed. They know that MBB has never come close to what WBB has accomplished (since 1976) and they want the money spent on WBB to be reallocated to MBB. The latter is not going to happen. It is called Title IX.

Over the last 15 years WBB has been the most successful program in RU athletics. Now it is just above average so the MBB fans come out of the woodwork to attack it. Reasonable people know that there is no connection between the success or funding of the two programs. MBB fans would kill to be as successful as WBB this year.

If you don't believe this is a MBB vs WBB issue, just read the Minnesota game thread on the MBB board.

Sorry but why is this a MBB vs WBB issue? Is the men's team failing? Yes. Is the women's team (projected) to fail (NCAA) this year? Yes (though they still have a chance to salvage). That said, the two programs are mutually exclusive.

I understand what she has done for the program and how successful she was in the days of Tasha, Cappie, Mattee, Essence, etc. However, at what point is it about the current results? They are about to miss the NCAA for the third time in four years. It's a trend now rather than an aberration.

At the end of the year Hobbs needs to evaluate where all Rutgers programs are and the facts that surround each (e.g. CVS' past and respect undoubtedly going in her favor whole disappointing results and a $0 buyout this year go against). Whether the MBB program is winning or losing shouldn't have an impact on the WBB evaluation, the lacrosse evaluation, soccer, gymnastics, etc. To link the two like you and Scarletwoman are doing is nothing more than what you are accusing BAC and others of doing, saying look at the problems over there and ignore what's going on here.

 

[bac2therac]

The reason you arent posting is because the team is losing and its not fun...not because of me be honest with yourself. Mens basketball is deplorable I dont see anyone hiding from that...realityvis mens hoops still generates a small profit but the womens program is a huge loser when fans arent showing and the coach isnt bringing the wins to match what she is paid for. Blame me because the fans arent coming to the. Rac anymore lmao

 

[RUJMM78]

The over arching point is that football and the two basketball programs have been heading in a down ward spiral against league competition.Football is starting over with a new head coach.The two basketball programs have questions about the status of the head coaches.All three programs are now having difficulty recruiting as compared to league competition.

I support the conclusion that womens basketball was the shining light of Rutgers athletics for over a decade but those days are over.The failure to recognize the importance of the 3 point shot has been a obvious problem area which has not been adequately addressed along with the lack of player development.

I understand that some fans on this board are very sensitive to criticism directed toward the program .What matters in sports is winning and when you fall to a mid level or bottom tier in league competition, the reaction isn't going to be positive from the media or Rutgers sports fans .

 

[2bornot2b]

I think the men are gonna get better. I don't normally watch them but I caught the Illinois game and the away Minnesota. They are very enjoyable to watch except for the losing part. (Not a joke though I know that sounds funny.) I don't know if they are recruiting well but they look like they are well coached to me. I hope they get it together and beat Minny at home.

 

[oldtimer67]

Sorry but why is this a MBB vs WBB issue? Is the men's team failing? Yes. Is the women's team (projected) to fail (NCAA) this year? Yes (though they still have a chance to salvage). That said, the two programs are mutually exclusive.

I understand what she has done for the program and how successful she was in the days of Tasha, Cappie, Mattee, Essence, etc. However, at what point is it about the current results? They are about to miss the NCAA for the third time in four years. It's a trend now rather than an aberration.

At the end of the year Hobbs needs to evaluate where all Rutgers programs are and the facts that surround each (e.g. CVS' past and respect undoubtedly going in her favor whole disappointing results and a $0 buyout this year go against). Whether the MBB program is winning or losing shouldn't have an impact on the WBB evaluation, the lacrosse evaluation, soccer, gymnastics, etc. To link the two like you and Scarletwoman are doing is nothing more than what you are accusing BAC and others of doing, saying look at the problems over there and ignore what's going on here.

Very funny. The MBB program is not just failing, it is a disaster. Have not won a B10 game since when? Then you equate the WBB program with the same failure because they are not going to the NCAAs this year? Even though they are a middle of the pack B10 team? With that kind of logic I hope you are not an RU grad.

 

[Raritan83]

Very funny. The MBB program is not just failing, it is a disaster. Have not won a B10 game since when? Then you equate the WBB program with the same failure because they are not going to the NCAAs this year? Even though they are a middle of the pack B10 team? With that kind of logic I hope you are not an RU grad.

Sorry but where do I equate the teams? In my post I say they should evaluated mutually exclusively. So I hope you are not the RU grad or perhaps reading comprehension isn't a strong point for you.

 

[Turtle31]

What the heck happened here? I try to post a supportive message to Scarlet saying don't let others deter you from posting what you want, she takes offense to that too, others join in and then it all turns into a MBB vs WBB pissing match.
This is just ridiculous.
(btw, I'm a WBB season ticket holder for umpty umpty years, not a MBB one....cripes people).

 

[gigantor1024]

The reason you arent posting is because the team is losing and its not fun...not because of me be honest with yourself. Mens basketball is deplorable I dont see anyone hiding from that...realityvis mens hoops still generates a small profit but the womens program is a huge loser when fans arent showing and the coach isnt bringing the wins to match what she is paid for. Blame me because the fans arent coming to the. Rac anymore lmao

but the reason WBB doesnt generate a profit is because those fans find it more fun to waste their money at MBB games that are basically a guarantee to lose. I dont bother going to mens games because I know its a waste of money. Yet those same Mens team fans have that same mentality about WBB even though they have Winning seasons and post season appearances; holding a grudge because the actually successful basketball coach gets paid too much is the silliest absurd thing ive ever heard. You dont see this at programs around the country. 'The fact is the horrible performance over the years of MBBall has dragged the actual successful program into the ground, and has turned RU fans into cynical and enigmatic squabblers who now fight over which program sucks more. The trolls on this board are literally so depressed with MBball they have decided to hate all RU bball regardless of the actual success Cvivs program has had over the years

 

[bac2therac]

mens hoops is more popular than womens hoops...that's just reality at every school

RU women used to get great crowds but when mediocrity set in and the program stopped being a top 25 program and people got tired of watching life and death struggles against bad teams and no offense., so they stopped coming if you haven't noticed. I saw some stat that goes CVS is something like 0-41 o 1-41 against top 10 teams in the past decade

they also stopped going to mens games as well as attendance is under 5K

 

[wngarbarini]

I am a long time season ticket holder to football, men's and women's basketball and wrestling so I root equally for all of them. I get frustrated and angry when they fail to achieve. We expected for years a top 25 ranking for women. Their style and swagger was something I loved and admired. That characteristic no long exists and it saddens me. CVS is close to the end or is clearly not producing results that we all like and expect. Not an easy decision for Hobbs.

 

[oldtimer67]

mens hoops is more popular than womens hoops...that's just reality at every school

RU women used to get great crowds but when mediocrity set in and the program stopped being a top 25 program and people got tired of watching life and death struggles against bad teams and no offense., so they stopped coming if you haven't noticed. I saw some stat that goes CVS is something like 0-41 o 1-41 against top 10 teams in the past decade

they also stopped going to mens games as well as attendance is under 5K

I would love to know when RU WBB ever got "great crowds?"

 

[Knight Time Fan_rivals]

mens hoops is more popular than womens hoops...that's just reality at every school

RU women used to get great crowds but when mediocrity set in and the program stopped being a top 25 program and people got tired of watching life and death struggles against bad teams and no offense., so they stopped coming if you haven't noticed. I saw some stat that goes CVS is something like 0-41 o 1-41 against top 10 teams in the past decade

they also stopped going to mens games as well as attendance is under 5K

They never got "great" crowds, but much better than they apparently do now.

That said, as Benighted showed several years ago, attendance is not the primary driver of revenue that many seem to think. Also, in spite of what someone said in one of these posts, CViv's salary has nothing to do with the fact that WBB is in the red. WBB is in the red at virtually every school - even UConn and Tennessee at the best have "flirted" with breaking even - and they had high coaches salary. And of course less money spent for WBB ultimately equates to less money spent on the men's side for some sport.

I am very distressed by the on-going ranting "anti-Viv". The state of the program is obvious. Not a losing program, but not up to many folks expectations, really. Tearing up Vivian's coaching has been going on for years - heck, even when the results were good, folks complained. But - No one has given me a convincing argument that, if Hobbs retains Viv for another year (assuming she wants another year), that this is somehow a huge disaster for the program. The chance of a home run hire at double play hitter prices is pretty slim. I hope for the best - there are a lot of bright young coaches out there - but nothing will be "instant". CVS took over for a pretty good coach and had 2 losing seasons.