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Abro1975

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So far, with only 3 or 4 hires, this is a really, really low salaried Big 10 or even P5 or even D1 staff.
 
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hinson32

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Abro, the budget for assistants is 2.7 million, which places us around 7-8 in the Confernce. Do you think Ash get a bonus far saving $$ or he is hiring the staff he thinks will win for him?
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

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Cheap. Very upset with the coaching hires. To me, it says we don't intend to compete for a while. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ash got the job because he promised he would try to win on the cheap. This is the kind of staff you hire when you go through a Terry Shea era and are rebuilding from the ground up. We were 8-5 just two years ago. We don't need to rebuild from the ground up. Yet I don't know how you compete with a staff that will largely be learning on the job. This ain't the big east. we're going up against Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio, among others.

Prefer the Maryland approach to hiring.
 
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MADHAT1

MADHAT1

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Ash is smart enough to take his time and not blow his budget on just an OC & DC while going the cheap route on position coaches.
He's being frugal to not overspend but still get up and coming talent to be on his staff.
If Ash does a hire on the cheap, it probably will be a retread with experience that wants to resurrect his career and Ash will be able to use the experience that coach brings to help everyone on his staff do their job a little better.

So maybe it will be all three and they will add up a winning combination
 
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Abro1975

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MADHAT1 said:
Ash is smart enough to take his time and not blow his budget on just an OC & DC while going the cheap route on position coaches.
He's being frugal to not overspend but still get up and coming talent to be on his staff.
If Ash does a hire on the cheap, it probably will be a retread with experience that wants to resurrect his career and Ash will be able to use the experience that coach brings to help everyone on his staff do their job a little better.

So maybe it will be all three and they will add up a winning combination
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Off Coord already hired.
 
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zappaa

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Jul 27, 2001
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rutgersal said:
Cheap. Very upset with the coaching hires. To me, it says we don't intend to compete for a while. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ash got the job because he promised he would try to win on the cheap. This is the kind of staff you hire when you go through a Terry Shea era and are rebuilding from the ground up. We were 8-5 just two years ago. We don't need to rebuild from the ground up. Yet I don't know how you compete with a staff that will largely be learning on the job. This ain't the big east. we're going up against Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio, among others.

Prefer the Maryland approach to hiring.
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You don't trust Ash? Got it because you and Abro's complaints are nothing more than saying you think Ash is a poor decision maker
Truly a horrendous fanbase
 
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MADHAT1

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Abro1975 said:
Off Coord already hired.
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Know Ash hired his OC already and he's an up and comer like the new OL coach .
The experienced ( retread ) is the new Special Teams Coordinator with 35 years coaching experience. 15 of them in the B1G
To me Ash is spending wisely getting the people that will make a difference, while taking his time looking for the ones that will fit in his plans for RU and not break the budget .
 
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saran

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Ash is looking for qualified subordinates to carry out his vision. He has said as much. He's not Flood needing to speed 500k on a coach better than him (Fridge) to bail him out. Parcels, Bobby Knight, Vince Lombardi once coached at Army.
 
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G- RUnit

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Lots of on the job training. It's scary. Big boy league needs experienced big boy coaches. So far looking cheap. Lembo was nice hire by Maryland. We killed Shea and Waters for not hiring local coaches.
 
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ArminRU

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Aug 5, 2008
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rutgersal said:
Cheap. Very upset with the coaching hires. To me, it says we don't intend to compete for a while. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ash got the job because he promised he would try to win on the cheap. This is the kind of staff you hire when you go through a Terry Shea era and are rebuilding from the ground up. We were 8-5 just two years ago. We don't need to rebuild from the ground up. Yet I don't know how you compete with a staff that will largely be learning on the job. This ain't the big east. we're going up against Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio, among others.

Prefer the Maryland approach to hiring.
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Get a f'in grip dude. We have no idea if Durkin's approach of hiring a bunch of random coaches with HC experience or Ash's approach of building a close knit staff, will lead to a better team.

What a joke you are.
 
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ArminRU

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zappaa said:
You don't trust Ash? Got it because you and Abro's complaints are nothing more than saying you think Ash is a poor decision maker
Truly a horrendous fanbase
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Ash's statements about needing to more positively improve the culture around here is so true.

We have people ready to fire Ash because he hired an O-line coach that didn't have enough google results as they wanted. A bunch of position coach specialists around here all of a sudden.
 
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vascosg

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Jan 13, 2008
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rutgersal said:
Cheap. Very upset with the coaching hires. To me, it says we don't intend to compete for a while. I also wouldn't be surprised if Ash got the job because he promised he would try to win on the cheap. This is the kind of staff you hire when you go through a Terry Shea era and are rebuilding from the ground up. We were 8-5 just two years ago. We don't need to rebuild from the ground up. Yet I don't know how you compete with a staff that will largely be learning on the job. This ain't the big east. we're going up against Harbaugh, Meyer and Dantonio, among others.

Prefer the Maryland approach to hiring.
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Clearly, you don't believe in Ash. He has a plan and he's looking for his type of coaches to implement the plan. This is not about money. I bet each coach he's brought in is getting paid well. You and I don't know this since it hasn't been announced. You like Maryland's approach and I love Rutgers. Ash is going to turn this program around and these guys he's brought in will be here in 3 years bringing in the recruits and winning games. We'll see where Maryland is...o and btw, we'll be paying these guys a lot more money in 3 years, that would be called raises and bonuses commiserate to their accomplishments. Hope you join us then.....
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

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zappaa said:
You don't trust Ash? Got it because you and Abro's complaints are nothing more than saying you think Ash is a poor decision maker
Truly a horrendous fanbase
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I like Ash and hope he succeeds. He's doing exactly what he said he would do, so I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I hope he succeeds.

But I can't help but wonder whether Hobbs was equipped to make the decision he was tasked to make. Does he understand that the changes we are undertaking are going to require 3-5 years at best? I would also like to understand why he felt this strategy was best.

I'm disappointed that from the looks of things, Rutgers coaching staff is going to be stocked with neophytes.
Frankly, I don't want to spend good money to watch coaches learn on the job. This is something that was acceptable in 2001, NOT in 2016.
 
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fatsam98

fatsam98

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Mar 23, 2005
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Ash clearly has a plan here so why can't you give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise? And our assistant salary budget is middle of the Big10 pack so "frugal" and "cheap" don't even make sense.
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

Heisman
Jun 7, 2001
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ArminRU said:
Get a f'in grip dude. We have no idea if Durkin's approach of hiring a bunch of random coaches with HC experience or Ash's approach of building a close knit staff, will lead to a better team.

What a joke you are.
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The jokes on you for being so clueless. At least Marylands staff won't be learning on the job, as they will have the experience to succeed. There's no evidence that Ash'es staff will be any more close knit than Durkins.
 
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NBKnight

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rutgersal said:
I like Ash and hope he succeeds. He's doing exactly what he said he would do, so I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I hope he succeeds.

But I can't help but wonder whether Hobbs was equipped to make the decision he was tasked to make. Does he understand that the changes we are undertaking are going to require 3-5 years at best? I would also like to understand why he felt this strategy was best.

I'm disappointed that from the looks of things, Rutgers coaching staff is going to be stocked with neophytes.
Frankly, I don't want to spend good money to watch coaches learn on the job. This is something that was acceptable in 2001, NOT in 2016.
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Outside of hiring Ash, what does any AD have to do with the hiring of the assistant coaches?
 
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BOGDANOVICH

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Nov 11, 2005
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vascosg said:
Clearly, you don't believe in Ash. He has a plan and he's looking for his type of coaches to implement the plan. This is not about money. I bet each coach he's brought in is getting paid well. You and I don't know this since it hasn't been announced. You like Maryland's approach and I love Rutgers. Ash is going to turn this program around and these guys he's brought in will be here in 3 years bringing in the recruits and winning games. We'll see where Maryland is...o and btw, we'll be paying these guys a lot more money in 3 years, that would be called raises and bonuses commiserate to their accomplishments. Hope you join us then.....
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Let's be real. It always is about money for Barchi and company, which is not to say that Ash won't be successful.
 
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ArminRU

Heisman
Aug 5, 2008
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rutgersal said:
I like Ash and hope he succeeds. He's doing exactly what he said he would do, so I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I hope he succeeds.

But I can't help but wonder whether Hobbs was equipped to make the decision he was tasked to make. Does he understand that the changes we are undertaking are going to require 3-5 years at best? I would also like to understand why he felt this strategy was best.

I'm disappointed that from the looks of things, Rutgers coaching staff is going to be stocked with neophytes.
Frankly, I don't want to spend good money to watch coaches learn on the job. This is something that was acceptable in 2001, NOT in 2016.
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Please remind me, who is learning on the job again?

3-5 years at best? huh?

So I guess you wanted Schiano back and to run a Pro offense in order to be mediocre for perpetuity?
 
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ArminRU

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rutgersal said:
The jokes on you for being so clueless. At least Marylands staff won't be learning on the job, as they will have the experience to succeed. There's no evidence that Ash'es staff will be any more close knit than Durkins.
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Yeah, and there's also no evidence that hiring failed head coaches will lead to success. So I suggest you to grow a pair or start routing for Maryland.
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

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BOGDANOVICH said:
Let's be real. It always is about money for Barchi and company, which is not to say that Ash won't be successful.
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As soon as Barchi said it wasn't going to be about money, I knew it was going to be about money.

I expected the same ol Rutgers BS, and we're getting back the same ol Rutgers BS, so I can't say i'm surprised.

i hope ash is successful.
 
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vkj91

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Feb 7, 2007
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hinson32 said:
Abro, the budget for assistants is 2.7 million, which places us around 7-8 in the Confernce. Do you think Ash get a bonus far saving $$ or he is hiring the staff he thinks will win for him?
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Think it's 5-6 and similar to Maryland
 
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vkj91

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Feb 7, 2007
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rutgersal said:
As soon as Barchi said it wasn't going to be about money, I knew it was going to be about money.

I expected the same ol Rutgers BS, and we're getting back the same ol Rutgers BS, so I can't say i'm surprised.

i hope ash is successful.
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How? Salary pool is more than adequate. What's the same old same old?
 
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