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RUChoppin

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Isn't it that they don't have to graduate, just be in good academic standing when they leave? I know that's the case for transfers, not sure about departures for the NBA.
 
MADHAT1

MADHAT1

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wasiman said:
Kentucky ! Impossible.
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Believe the APR rating isn't based on student/athletes graduating, but how they are in good standing towards graduating.
So a player can leave early as long as he was passing his courses and on track to graduate in the allotted time the NCAA allows, the school's APR wouldn't be hurt because he left school before graduating.
 
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Zoocru

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MADHAT1 said:
Believe the APR rating isn't based on student/athletes graduating, but how they are in good standing towards graduating.
So a player can leave early as long as he was passing his courses and on track to graduate in the allotted time the NCAA allows, the school's APR wouldn't be hurt because he left school before graduating.
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DHajekRC84

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MADHAT1 said:
Believe the APR rating isn't based on student/athletes graduating, but how they are in good standing towards graduating.
So a player can leave early as long as he was passing his courses and on track to graduate in the allotted time the NCAA allows, the school's APR wouldn't be hurt because he left school before graduating.
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This from the article confirms: Scores are calculated by collecting data on each player from each team. Players earn one point each semester for remaining academically eligible and another point each semester if they stay in school.

So THIS is the definition of "Excellence in the Classroom" ? really? And how in the hell can UK score so high with so many not staying in school?
 
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RUChoppin

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This from the article confirms: Scores are calculated by collecting data on each player from each team. Players earn one point each semester for remaining academically eligible and another point each semester if they stay in school.

So THIS is the definition of "Excellence in the Classroom" ? really? And how in the hell can UK score so high with so many not staying in school?
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No idea.

Assuming a full roster of 13 players every year, that's a maximum of 39 points per year, or 156 total points over the 4-year lookback. They've had 12 players leave early over the last 4 years. Assuming that all UK players were 100% academically eligible at all times, that would be a total of 144/156 points, for an APR of 923. By the NCAA's standards, that would lead to a postseason ban (a score below 930).

My only guess is that they don't consider players who depart for the NBA against the score, but only players who leave school for academic reasons. Which is BS.

This a) makes the APR look meaningless, and b) really makes me wonder at schools that can't maintain a high APR.
 
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TDIrish1

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MadHat

Read the post above my comments.

I was responding to LC-88 regarding regular students.
 
MADHAT1

MADHAT1

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TDIrish1 said:
MadHat

Read the post above my comments.

I was responding to LC-88 regarding regular students.
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My apologies for not understanding that. Your reply to that post was a valid one concerning regular students .
 
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UK = University of Kentucky
KU = Kansas University
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KU is the University of Kansas...its an OLD Big 8 naming convention
CU is the University of Colorado
MU is the University of Missouri
NU is the University of Nebraska
OU is the University of Oklahoma...these former big 8 schools all put the state initial FIRST...weird...but unique!
 
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West Point Knight said:
KU is the University of Kansas...its an OLD Big 8 naming convention
CU is the University of Colorado
MU is the University of Missouri
NU is the University of Nebraska
OU is the University of Oklahoma...these former big 8 schools all put the state initial FIRST...weird...but unique!
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This literally blew my mind ..... I have wondered FOREVER why University of Oklahoma was OU ... always knew the naming of the others because of the logos but for whatever reason never wondered about the same thing about Kansas, Colorado, or Nebraska! Had I put 2 and 2 together I might have figured it out. And never knew the Big 8 was why. Crazy awesome college fact!! Thanks for sharing.
 
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay

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ScarletDave said:
This literally blew my mind ..... I have wondered FOREVER why University of Oklahoma was OU ... always knew the naming of the others because of the logos but for whatever reason never wondered about the same thing about Kansas, Colorado, or Nebraska! Had I put 2 and 2 together I might have figured it out. And never knew the Big 8 was why. Crazy awesome college fact!! Thanks for sharing.
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And mizzou! learned all about this when I lived in Omaha and I asked Nebraska fans why they said "NU" when it was the University or Nebraska ...
 
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RUChoppin said:
No idea.

Assuming a full roster of 13 players every year, that's a maximum of 39 points per year, or 156 total points over the 4-year lookback. They've had 12 players leave early over the last 4 years. Assuming that all UK players were 100% academically eligible at all times, that would be a total of 144/156 points, for an APR of 923. By the NCAA's standards, that would lead to a postseason ban (a score below 930).

My only guess is that they don't consider players who depart for the NBA against the score, but only players who leave school for academic reasons. Which is BS.

This a) makes the APR look meaningless, and b) really makes me wonder at schools that can't maintain a high APR.
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APR is not meaningless, but it is FAR from the be-all and end-all of numbers that some folks like to claim it is when the numbers come out every year. I'd rather be high than low, but I'm not going to act as if we're Harvard because our APR is high. Some people here act that way. It shows we care about our players staying on track to graduate, not how good the academic program is they are following. So important, but not all-encompassing.

To wit, a degree in chemistry and a degree in labor studies are the same when it comes to APR: Are you on track to graduate?

I'll never forget when a kid chose Vanderbilt, citing academics, and a poster here actually questioned his decision by saying "Isn't our APR higher than theirs?" Yeah, so what?
 
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JPhoboken

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A very interesting paragraph.........

Also missing out were all four teams from the inaugural College Football Playoff -- Alabama, Florida State, Ohio State and Oregon -- and the entire Final Four field on the women's side: UConn, Notre Dame, South Carolina and Maryland.
 
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RUChoppin

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BoroKnight said:
APR is not meaningless, but it is FAR from the be-all and end-all of numbers that some folks like to claim it is when the numbers come out every year. I'd rather be high than low, but I'm not going to act as if we're Harvard because our APR is high. Some people here act that way. It shows we care about our players staying on track to graduate, not how good the academic program is they are following. So important, but not all-encompassing.

To wit, a degree in chemistry and a degree in labor studies are the same when it comes to APR: Are you on track to graduate?

I'll never forget when a kid chose Vanderbilt, citing academics, and a poster here actually questioned his decision by saying "Isn't our APR higher than theirs?" Yeah, so what?
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It's really not even asking if you are on track to graduate, though. It's whether you were academically eligible, and whether or not you were forced out of school due to academic ineligibility. You can be academically eligible for 4 years and be nowhere close to being able to graduate, which APR also doesn't measure. You can drop out of school (or transfer, or go to the NBA) it seems without penalty, as long as you didn't do it because of academics.

If early departures/transfers/etc don't count against APR, then it really carries very little meaning.
 
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