THIS is what a practice facility SHOULD look like..

[SBP]

..and its WHY we need one...BADLY. Above and beyond the message of commitment it sends to recruits, its the FACILITY ITSELF, and the way the floor is laid out, film room, etc.

Perception is realty, and if Eddie doesnt get this in the coming year or so, he's fighting with an arm behind his back



This post was edited on 2/24 10:35 PM by SBP

WVU Practice facility

 

[RUMike410]

That's pretty nice.

 

[bac2therac]

omg that is awesome

don't let anyone try and tell you stuff like this does not matter

 

[Aggs]

There's a reason why a player like Malik Ellison, who's at Life Center and mentions Temple, Creighton, California, South Carolina, Minnesota and even Seton Hall as schools still recruiting him the hardest.

Ellison was here for the Ohio State beatdown and I'm sure the back-to-back 30-point losses didn't help.

These schools either have modern facilities or recent success (maybe not Seton Hall, hehe) so you need to be the ultimate salesman - a guy who can sell water to a whale.

Otherwise it's up to the coaching staff to recruit unheralded players and coach them up against B1G players.

Either one. Doing neither is disastrous.

Imagine the football staff trying to recruit the Dream Team without the Hale Center and coming off a last-place finish in the B1G?






This post was edited on 2/24 11:02 PM by Aggs

 

[SBP]

This is just a sample..Hell, just google college basketball practice facility, and you will see EVERYONE with some semblance of a NICE facility

THIS. MUST. GET..DONE!

 

[huskersalways]

This is where Miles just booted the team from. Ha

NU

 

[SBP]

Amazing..over the top..but amazing...congrats..

THIS is what we are up against people!!! Cant you SEE IT!!??

Music everywhere, all the BLINK you need..like it or nit, kids are into this stuff...period. The End.

 

[78CollegeAve]

(a) Huggins + RAC

OR

(b) Jordan + WVU facilities

Which do you think is more attractive to parents and AAU coaches?

Hire a legitimate college coach and the facilities won't matter. OK, suffer with Eddie for 2 more years and let him beat the roster into the ground. Buy out his last year. Barchi will probably be gone by then too. And then spend the freakin' money to hire a cocky winner who wants to take on the B1G for a couple mill a year. Buzz Williams left Marquette for Virginia Tech for 7 years, $18.2 million. It can be done. The donors (and the NJ legislature) will follow. We're in a much different time to hire a coach now than in 2013 with the Rice cesspool, no athletic director and a year in the AAC. Eddie has served his purpose as Mr. Ty-D-Bol to clean the toilet at the RAC. A good coach in 2017-18 is worth a lot more than a practice facility that might open in 3 or 4 years.

This post was edited on 2/25 9:22 AM by 78CollegeAve

 

[RU-ROCS]

Originally posted by 78CollegeAve:
(a) Huggins + RAC

OR

(b) Jordan + WVU facilities

Which do you think is more attractive to parents and AAU coaches?

Hire a legitimate college coach and the facilities won't matter. OK, suffer with Eddie for 2 more years and let him beat the roster into the ground. Buy out his last year. Barchi will probably be gone by then too. And then spend the freakin' money to hire a cocky winner who wants to take on the B1G for a couple mill a year. Buzz Williams left Marquette for Virginia Tech for 7 years, $18.2 million. It can be done. The donors (and the NJ legislature) will follow. We're in a much different time to hire a coach now than in 2013 with the Rice cesspool, no athletic director and a year in the AAC. Eddie has served his purpose as Mr. Ty-D-Bol to clean the toilet at the RAC. A good coach in 2017-18 is worth a lot more than a practice facility that might open in 3 or 4 years.

This post was edited on 2/25 9:22 AM by 78CollegeAve

Problem is, you are not getting a coach of Huggins' caliber without a practice facility.

 

[huskersalways]

Originally posted by RU-ROCS:

Originally posted by 78CollegeAve:
(a) Huggins + RAC

OR

(b) Jordan + WVU facilities

Which do you think is more attractive to parents and AAU coaches?

Hire a legitimate college coach and the facilities won't matter. OK, suffer with Eddie for 2 more years and let him beat the roster into the ground. Buy out his last year. Barchi will probably be gone by then too. And then spend the freakin' money to hire a cocky winner who wants to take on the B1G for a couple mill a year. Buzz Williams left Marquette for Virginia Tech for 7 years, $18.2 million. It can be done. The donors (and the NJ legislature) will follow. We're in a much different time to hire a coach now than in 2013 with the Rice cesspool, no athletic director and a year in the AAC. Eddie has served his purpose as Mr. Ty-D-Bol to clean the toilet at the RAC. A good coach in 2017-18 is worth a lot more than a practice facility that might open in 3 or 4 years.

This post was edited on 2/25 9:22 AM by 78CollegeAve

Problem is, you are not getting a coach of Huggins' caliber without a practice facility.

Any of the "bigger" name coaches who are going to any school have it in their contract what the school will provide for facilities in a certain time frame or they won't sign. They know they have the bargaining power. Football is somewhat the same way. If Huggins(or whoever) was your guy and were really after him they would make you put practice facilities in and have them operational by year 3 or they would not come. Other than their name they have to have stuff to recruit to that is permanent unlike them who could leave at any time.

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

I think you could get Howland, if you read that article I posted in the other thread he's going to be less choosy now. That's probably about as high as you could shoot and someone who's in the same circumstances. It's not likely to be the top notch names out there.

 

[LFBall]

WOW!!!!

If you think facilities do not matter you are wrong. Kids love talking about the facilities and even the uniforms. The coach is extremely important but even John Wooden would have had a hard time if he did not have a than nice Pauley Pavilion. Duke gets away with the Indiana HS type gym because of tradition in basketball. Penn use to get away with the old Palestra. Kansas has an older bit wonderful Allen Field house but also has state of the art practice facilities and tradition. So RU needs to step it up to attract the high level players needed to win in their current conference. Note I said current because if they do not step up I am sure the conference will eventually ask why.

Now on another note the Nebraska facility is way over the top and seems almost illegal. Personally even if they gave me my own personal workout gym I might not leave the east coast to play in Nebraska. I doubt they have any HSAA's on that team. But again the facility is great.

 

[ouchmyknee]

Facilities are paramount because it's basically the legal way to "buy" recruits. I've pointed this out in the past, but I've read a great case study on how Oregon built its program through branding and identity because they weren't able to sell tradition or a history of winning (sound familiar?). Anyways, if you've never seen their football practice facility, go to Youtube and watch the tour. It's beyond ridiculous and is actually nicer than a Four Seasons hotel. Oregon has even gone so far to build an all-athlete academic facility that is again beyond ridiculous. Check it out, link is below.

Oregon's Jaqua Academic Center

 

[rutgersguy1_rivals]

Originally posted by ouchmyknee:
Facilities are paramount because it's basically the legal way to "buy" recruits. I've pointed this out in the past, but I've read a great case study on how Oregon built its program through branding and identity because they weren't able to sell tradition or a history of winning (sound familiar?). Anyways, if you've never seen their football practice facility, go to Youtube and watch the tour. It's beyond ridiculous and is actually nicer than a Four Seasons hotel. Oregon has even gone so far to build an all-athlete academic facility that is again beyond ridiculous. Check it out, link is below.

You got Phil Knight in your back pocket? We'd have to get Marcus, who by all accounts has shown no inclination to be involved, or a local type like Woody Johnson to even think about things on the level of Oregon. Forget about the ostentatious nature of Oregon though, we just need something fairly functional.

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by RU-ROCS:

Originally posted by 78CollegeAve:
(a) Huggins + RAC

OR

(b) Jordan + WVU facilities

Which do you think is more attractive to parents and AAU coaches?

Hire a legitimate college coach and the facilities won't matter. OK, suffer with Eddie for 2 more years and let him beat the roster into the ground. Buy out his last year. Barchi will probably be gone by then too. And then spend the freakin' money to hire a cocky winner who wants to take on the B1G for a couple mill a year. Buzz Williams left Marquette for Virginia Tech for 7 years, $18.2 million. It can be done. The donors (and the NJ legislature) will follow. We're in a much different time to hire a coach now than in 2013 with the Rice cesspool, no athletic director and a year in the AAC. Eddie has served his purpose as Mr. Ty-D-Bol to clean the toilet at the RAC. A good coach in 2017-18 is worth a lot more than a practice facility that might open in 3 or 4 years.

This post was edited on 2/25 9:22 AM by 78CollegeAve

Problem is, you are not getting a coach of Huggins' caliber without a practice facility.

Promise him the facility. The point is - a coach can win without a facility. A proven winner can even recruit without the facility. But a faiclity isnt going to help the MAC coach of the week here.

 

[RU MAN]

That facility is beautiful. There is absolutely NO REASON Rutgers shouldn't have a beautiful facility like that too.

 

[Caliknight]

Anyone questioning why a team needs a practice facility, click the link. This is an expectation.

 

[PiscatawayMike]

I'd settle for Temple's facility...

Temple Basketball Practice Facility Tour

 

[Leonard23]

Nebraska's was sweet
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[Leonard23]

Nebraska's also houses the wrestling team. Now that is a great idea. $18.7M for 84,000 sq ft facility for MBB, WBB & wrestling, complete with 5,000 Sq ft weight room, 2 basketball practice gyms each a court & half with 6 baskets, 7,500 sq ft wrestling room w/4 mats & a cardiovascular area, separate lockerrooms for MBB, WBB & wrestling, lounges, tons of tvs, kitchenettes for each, and many other things. This is what we need & should be targeting. Figure $25M-$30M in NJ maybe?
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[78CollegeAve]

Chicken or the egg. History says RU can't raise the money for the building with a crappy coach/program. Some of you think we can't find a solid coach without the building in place.

OK, let's look at it a different way -- the donor to be named later makes a pledge of $37 mill to the men's hoops program after next season provided that EJ is bought out. So, let's say the buyout uses up $2 mill. OK, how much of the remaining $35 mill do you dedicate to a facility that's probably gonna cost $30 mill and how much do you allocate to the new coach's 7-year contract?

Are you putting the money aside to build immediately and hire another guy from Robert Morris or Wofford? Or are you spending $2.5-3 mill a year for a real coach and promise him that you've got the seed money for the facility and that ... if he gets the program moving in the right direction ... you'll start construction in year 3?

 

[RU MAN]

Originally posted by 78CollegeAve:
Chicken or the egg. History says RU can't raise the money for the building with a crappy coach/program. Some of you think we can't find a solid coach without the building in place.

OK, let's look at it a different way -- the donor to be named later makes a pledge of $37 mill to the men's hoops program after next season provided that EJ is bought out. So, let's say the buyout uses up $2 mill. OK, how much of the remaining $35 mill do you dedicate to a facility that's probably gonna cost $30 mill and how much do you allocate to the new coach's 7-year contract?

Are you putting the money aside to build immediately and hire another guy from Robert Morris or Wofford? Or are you spending $2.5-3 mill a year for a real coach and promise him that you've got the seed money for the facility and that ... if he gets the program moving in the right direction ... you'll start construction in year 3?

I'll bite. In actuality you're doing both. You don't need the $37 million just for the facilities. You use $25 million (I actually know what this will probably cost), you buyout EJ's contract and you pay a well respected college coach the going rate for a B1G coach like a Ben Howland or possibly a Danny Hurley. Even if construction doesn't start until 3 years away, you at least have something to show the recruits in renderings and models with the promise that the facilities will be built no later than when they're juniors.

Personally however, I would change your scenario to design and build within 6 months of funding and have it completed before the new kids are sophomores. Why? If you're getting the money right away why wait? There is no reason to wait. That's why I think it is so myopic that the BOG doesn't get that they need to spend the money NOW when money to borrow is CHEAP. You're making an investment. Who gives a hoot about the subsidy. New facilties and a top coach will draw the top kids or at least competitive kids to come to Rutgers and start building this program up like we did for football. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE anyone on the BOG or Barchi or that POS Christie can tell me or anyone else that loves Rutgers that investing now for the future is a bad thing.

The reason why Rutgers has always had trouble is the small-time thinking in the state where self-loathing citizens and their pols look at Rutgers not as a gem it really is, but as an afterthought unlike other state universities around the nation. It's time to think B1G.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

It's nicer than the RAC...and probably just as loud on game days.

 

[huskersalways]

Originally posted by LFBall:
WOW!!!!

If you think facilities do not matter you are wrong. Kids love talking about the facilities and even the uniforms. The coach is extremely important but even John Wooden would have had a hard time if he did not have a than nice Pauley Pavilion. Duke gets away with the Indiana HS type gym because of tradition in basketball. Penn use to get away with the old Palestra. Kansas has an older bit wonderful Allen Field house but also has state of the art practice facilities and tradition. So RU needs to step it up to attract the high level players needed to win in their current conference. Note I said current because if they do not step up I am sure the conference will eventually ask why.

Now on another note the Nebraska facility is way over the top and seems almost illegal. Personally even if they gave me my own personal workout gym I might not leave the east coast to play in Nebraska. I doubt they have any HSAA's on that team. But again the facility is great.

Your right about that but I can tell you what it has done.

In 1976 NU opened the Devaney Center which for the time was amazing. t is/was a 12,000 seat arena with a seperate area for indoor track and swimming. Right after it was built NU started to get better in hoops and while never great they were at least competitive. This lasted for about 12 years until other schools spent mega bucks on arena's and the new fad, at the time, of practice only facilities. NU failed to even attempt to keep up and it resulted in the last 25 years of futility. NU decided it wanted to get more competitive in hoops again so they asked for and received donor money($10mil) to build a practice facility. At the same time the NU athletic department started talking to the city to go into a partnership to build a new state of the art arena that would be the home for NU hoops teams and the city could hold concerts or other events in it year round. The bond issue the city proposed to the tax payers($220mil I think) passed with 75% of the vote. Meanwhile NU continued their plans for an on campus basketball and wrestling practice only facility hooked up to the old Devaney Center on campus. When plans were shown to the major donors for it, at a cost of $11mil, they got upset that it was a cookie cutter, no frills, place and added another $10mil to their donations and made NU redo the entire setup to what is there now. The practice facility opened a year before the arena and both of them were used to start recruiting before any of the players were there. Before NU built this stuff the recruits they could get to even come to visit were kids that would struggle to make the Washington Generals and it showed with the product. Once the facilities were being built NU started to get visits from multiple top 150 kids and has signed a multiple number of them that either will join the team next year or are redshirting now. It also has helped in getting 4 transfers(the best one is redshirting this year because of transfer rule) who have helped to start to at least, usually, make NU look like a Big 10 team. There are still 4 holdover players that are playing that won't see the floor after this season since Miles will have enough better players to start to use his guys only. No, NU isn't full of HSAA players, but with the addition of the new facilities, they are at least getting a shot with a lot of them and a little more success could help to attract more of that type player. I'm not going to dig up all the info for each kid but I know NU has sined or has committed more 4* kids in the last 3 years than the programs history combined. TIFWIW

 

[huskersalways]

Originally posted by 78CollegeAve:
Chicken or the egg. History says RU can't raise the money for the building with a crappy coach/program. Some of you think we can't find a solid coach without the building in place.

OK, let's look at it a different way -- the donor to be named later makes a pledge of $37 mill to the men's hoops program after next season provided that EJ is bought out. So, let's say the buyout uses up $2 mill. OK, how much of the remaining $35 mill do you dedicate to a facility that's probably gonna cost $30 mill and how much do you allocate to the new coach's 7-year contract?

Are you putting the money aside to build immediately and hire another guy from Robert Morris or Wofford? Or are you spending $2.5-3 mill a year for a real coach and promise him that you've got the seed money for the facility and that ... if he gets the program moving in the right direction ... you'll start construction in year 3?

So you have $2.5-$3mil to spend on a coach. Let's look at the coaches probable options.

Team 1: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Does not have and has no immediate plans to build a practice facility or arena and will spend modestly on improving existing infrastructure.

Team 2: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Does not have a practice facility but will put it in coaches contract that one will be operational between years 2 and 3 of his contract and he gets input on what he wants. The old arena will get redoes that the coach requests within reason.

Team 3: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Has a very recently build extremely nice practice facility and are currently building a new arena that will be open in year 2 of his contract.

Which place is the coach going? Any coach who is going to get $2.5-$3mil a year will have multiple schools who will hire them, so to even get that coach to look at a school he has to have a lot of things either built, being built or put in writing that it will be started immediately or that high a profile of a coach will go to option 2 or 3 without even granting team 1 an interview.

 

[RUJMM78]

The history of Rutgers mens basketball unfortunately will show very little positive for the last 24 years to hang on the walls.Cut down the space for those items and maybe the price for a practice facility could be cut down to 15-20 million and still be functional and have the wow factor for recruits.Put the shovels in the ground and then Jordan would have something positive to sell to recruits .

 

[SBP]

Eddie Jordan will be here for a while. Deal with it. And I for one am happy about it..Consistency is what we need, not knee jerk "fire the coach" mentality. He has to get players, and is starting to do just that. BUT WE NEED A COMMITTMENT on a facility to sell the kids on the fact we are moving up. Period.

 

[CPCU]

So you have $2.5-$3mil to spend on a coach. Let's look at the coaches probable options.

Team 1: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Does not have and has no immediate plans to build a practice facility or arena and will spend modestly on improving existing infrastructure.

Team 2: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Does not have a practice facility but will put it in coaches contract that one will be operational between years 2 and 3 of his contract and he gets input on what he wants. The old arena will get redoes that the coach requests within reason.

Team 3: Has money for the coaches contract and assistant coaches. Has a very recently build extremely nice practice facility and are currently building a new arena that will be open in year 2 of his contract.

Which place is the coach going? Any coach who is going to get $2.5-$3mil a year will have multiple schools who will hire them, so to even get that coach to look at a school he has to have a lot of things either built, being built or put in writing that it will be started immediately or that high a profile of a coach will go to option 2 or 3 without even granting team 1 an interview.

Husker thanks for bringing some sanity to those "fans" that think we can easily bring in a "high power" coach and instantly transform 25 years of futility. The basketball team will take time, patience and funds.

 

[toby83]

..and its WHY we need one...BADLY. Above and beyond the message of commitment it sends to recruits, its the FACILITY ITSELF, and the way the floor is laid out, film room, etc.

Perception is realty, and if Eddie doesnt get this in the coming year or so, he's fighting with an arm behind his back



This post was edited on 2/24 10:35 PM by SBP

WVU Practice facility

how much for one of these?

 

[e5fdny]

Nebraska's also houses the wrestling team. Now that is a great idea. $18.7M for 84,000 sq ft facility for MBB, WBB & wrestling, complete with 5,000 Sq ft weight room, 2 basketball practice gyms each a court & half with 6 baskets, 7,500 sq ft wrestling room w/4 mats & a cardiovascular area, separate locker rooms for MBB, WBB & wrestling, lounges, tons of tvs, kitchenettes for each, and many other things. This is what we need & should be targeting. Figure $25M-$30M in NJ maybe?
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Hmmm this idea and number sounds familiar...

 

[RUPartisan]

I am actually glad this thread was bumped now all the people that previously agreed that a new facility was needed can see it for themselves because all of a sudden the new beat around here is fire Jordan before shovels are in the ground. BTW I think Jordan is terrible and should go right after a construction start date is announced.

 

[RutgersDon]

Barchi should have built this when he came in.

 

[ru66]

so did you all send a check in to the build fund?

 

[B1GNJHoops]

What's $75 million to Rutgers boosters? Haha

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

The only problem is that as soon as its built, it will become a much better facility than the RAC....that would be kind of strange.

 

[RutgHoops]

Barchi should have built this when he came in.

I'm quite sure something like this can be built anytime Rutgers fans can come close to the $25MM raised by the WVU athletics foundation for the project. Alas.

 

[RutgersDon]

Just expand the front end of the RAC.

 

[RUJMM78]

That facility is beautiful. There is absolutely NO REASON Rutgers shouldn't have a beautiful facility like that too.

There might be a problem because WVU has lots of success to display in a practice facility and Rutgers would have empty space.Rutgers needs something other than a practice court to attract the interest of recruits.Perhaps a arcade room where players can relax .