Also, many here seem to believe that Lou uses shady, unreliable sources in his reporting…I suspect Lou wouldn’t report anything negative unless he had very solid sources - but guess I believe in Lou
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What about any of demos’ teammates that were stars - a QB or a lineman or a RB. Where are the testimonials from these guys? I mean special teams specialist? I would think the OL would be afraid of breaking him in the car wash or under a run and not include.
Will we go round in circles, will we fly high like a bird up in the sky?
Clearly, plenty of people feel like you, but many do not. Nothing will change anyone’s opinion until credible proof comes out not hearsay from third parties. I only thing that I think almost everyone agrees on in Schill and Gragg are incompetent and should be replaced.
Per the former player I spoke with, the "bad hazing" was commonplace and happened every year he was on the team.
This is exactly why the report should be released. Speaking to 60 former/current players and staff would paint a clear picture of what went on and when
That’s weird, the player I talked to said there was no hazing at all and most of this is BS
Discovery process. Everything will be forced out. Let’s see hat sizzles then.
That’s weird; the people I talk to thought you might have something useful to say.
Given my source is stating something true and reality based, id say my post was very useful
I could not tell if you were being sarcastic. My bad if not. My view is that many, many more people have not denied the hazing problem than have come out to say it did not occur. In addition to this, my source, the report, and that it’s harder to come forward publicly with a problem than it is to deny it on social media, that’s more than enough to make me believe it all happened.
That’s the problem, too many people online making up imaginary sources because they have an ax to grind and the original fevered narrative has fallen apart.
You have read what Hankwitz wrote, yes?
Why didn't they do or say anything? Not one of them? For years?
So why did he not employ the half dozen ways to report this that coach Hankwitz says existed?
You treat him like a hero for knowing about this and not letting responsible authorirites know so it can be stopped? I don't. I like snitching when those who are snitched on deserve it. But no-one talked, hundreds of kids, the tongues start yapping when lawyers appear so I am skeptical.
For God's sake they had an annoymous Ombudsman to turn to.
He doesn’t feel great about it. It’s the culture and he accepted it. I presume so did everyone else. It doesn’t make it right.
Here’s what flys in the face of this, dozens of parents of current players did not want Fitz replaced and are equally disgusted with NU as you are. Why?
The dry humping is the trigger for people. Maybe it it either the extent of the hazing and especially the implied knowledge of the HC that leads to these debates?
That's basically what the former player I know said as well. He said he just accepted it as a part of the program's culture and didn't want to rock the boat.
Is your perspective that hazing of a sexual nature — as verified by numerous sources, with shockingly similar descriptions — didn’t happen?
I’d imagine it would be tough for any freshman to take the ‘zero tolerance’ policy seriously if they got that lecture the same week that they were squeegeed (my term) by a bunch of naked offensive linemen on the way to the shower.
Yea all the players I talked to said there was never any hazing, and people online make up anonymous sources
I haven’t forgiven or trusted Lou since our rugby days, when he snookered me into that three-man lift trick so that he and Schmitty could douse me with cold beer.
The hazing happened. It took an aggrieved party / whistleblower to break the code of silence and bring it public, but it happened.
Most people (including players) don’t find it egregious for a football team, but some do, especially given the sexual nature of some of it.
Unfortunately for Fitz, those few include the new people in power at NU, a university we all love because it holds itself up as doing things the right way.
People, including me, are still rightfully pissed about how this new NU leadership has handled it (though the leadership deserve credit for at least addressing it).
Here we are. But if anyone is still on the side of denying the hazing, I think you are choosing to ignore reality for whatever your personal reasons.
It isn’t about denying hazing. It is about accepting the extent of the sexual nature that some are reporting. As soon as Nudity and dry humping hit the reports, Fitz was done. I don’t share the belief that the actions were as egregious as reported. Not at all. Maybe I will eat those words, we’ll see.
Don’t pick on Jack - he’s got to be frustrated to have finally reached college and not have his dad around nor a chance to play.
Where are all the star players with their supportive testimonials? Demos is far from a star.
One would think every single player that got NFL time or starred at NU would owe a debt of gratitude. Why is there not a long line of well known names standing up for PF?
It's a not a question of denying the hazing. It's a question of whether Fitz knew about it or not. A perfectly reasonable argument can be made that he did not.
You may like snitching when someone deserves it, but that’s not the way the world of abuse inherently works.
Just trying to get one issue put to bed first. On the knowing issue - to me, he had to know, especially since virtually no one came out to say he didn’t know. But that does not mean he deserved to be fired as he was.
You do realize that there are people active on this board that deny it ever happened, right? It’s like Turk and his flat earth debate.
Notice there are a couple points the Enablers ignore, unable to refute - who was the person ultimately responsible for the team and where are all the great players coming out to vocally stand behind PF. Cuz they cannot refute those points - they either ignore or divert to personal attacks each and every time these things are brought up.
Does Trevor Siemian count?
He was the first NFL cat that came to mind, so I looked at his Twitter and sure enough, he has a statement supporting Fitz. Did you even look, or are you just throwing sh*t against the wall?
As for Fitz, nobody has been able to prove that he knew about any hazing, despite having several measures in place, as detailed by Hank, to allow players to provide feedback both in person and anonymously to both the football staff outside the football staff. But he agreed to additional measures to curtail any hazing (no more Camp Kenosha forever, agreeing to the seemingly unprecedented measure of installing locker room police, etc.). No human on the planet is omniscient, so I'm more concerned with what corrective actions they take when such allegations come to light.
Using this as a pretense to dispense with someone whom I don't think provided enough "value" these last two seasons to avoid buying out his contract just seems dirty and dishonest to me.
That's not true at all. Both Fitz and Hank said that neither one of them knew. And I am fairly certain that if Hank knew he would said something about it to Fitz.
I don't understand why people refuse to believe them.
And statements like "he had to know" are ridiculous.
It’s been going on for 20+ years and you think “he had to know is ridiculous”?
Neither Simiean nor the team explicitly denied Fitz knew of the hazing activity. The team says he “was not involved in the incidents” and did not know “of the allegations”. That was a carefully worded statement, so I take it literally, and it doesn’t say he didn’t know.
I believe the coaches thought it was acceptable behavior all along, and the team’s statement is meant to try to save the name of their coach, who they love, and of themselves. I applaud them for writing it.
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