Fitz post-game

EvanstonCat

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Listening to his post-game interview makes me sick.

Blamed injuries.

"We knew this was going to be a tough one."

"We knew we were going to get their shot."

"You gotta credit Rutgers."

Talked about playing our "C" game. No, Fitz. That's grade inflation. It was a big effing F. We won because it's relative - Rutgers played like a G, if you can go lower than an F. Still doesn't change our big fat F.
 

SmellyCat

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I believe he said BEFORE the game something like "we'll have to play our best game of the season to win today."
 

Gocatsgo2003

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Listening to his post-game interview makes me sick.

Blamed injuries.

"We knew this was going to be a tough one."

"We knew we were going to get their shot."

"You gotta credit Rutgers."

Talked about playing our "C" game. No, Fitz. That's grade inflation. It was a big effing F. We won because it's relative - Rutgers played like a G, if you can go lower than an F. Still doesn't change our big fat F.

It’s gonna be one of those weeks for you, huh?
 

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Playing devils advocate. If you’re a Rutgers coach and NU has our 2 “best” RB out and only 1 receiver who is getting open constantly it is going to be incredibly easy to defend us.
 

rwhitney014

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Playing devils advocate. If you’re a Rutgers coach and NU has our 2 “best” RB out and only 1 receiver who is getting open constantly it is going to be incredibly easy to defend us.

Four, to be correct. If any of Larkin, Vault, Moten or Brown were healthy, they'd have been out there. We're on RBs 5-6-7.
 

mikewebb68

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Listening to his post-game interview makes me sick.

Blamed injuries.

"We knew this was going to be a tough one."

"We knew we were going to get their shot."

"You gotta credit Rutgers."

Talked about playing our "C" game. No, Fitz. That's grade inflation. It was a big effing F. We won because it's relative - Rutgers played like a G, if you can go lower than an F. Still doesn't change our big fat F.
We did win, correct?
 

corbi2961

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Ah, the feels, Got it. If we beat Wisky next week, will you care about Rutgers?

Yes because it will only reinforce that this team doesn’t play consistently and seems to play to the level of competition. This is not a good thing.
 

mikewebb68

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Yes because it will only reinforce that this team doesn’t play consistently and seems to play to the level of competition. This is not a good thing.
What inconsistency? It will mean we won 12 of 13 BIG games and will be in the driver's seat for the BIG championship game...
 

corbi2961

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What inconsistency? It will mean we won 12 of 13 BIG games and will be in the driver's seat for the BIG championship game...

The inconsistency that anybody who is not blinded by homerism sees. The one that leads this team to lose at home against Akron after leading by 17 points and then is one play away from beating a top ten team in the country the next week. The inconsistency that results in beating a solid Michigan State team by 10 on the road and then sees that team struggle to beat one of worst teams in Division 1 football a few weeks later. This inconsistency has been a characteristic of this team for multiple seasons.
 

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Ah, the feels, Got it. If we beat Wisky next week, will you care about Rutgers?
Don’t really care about Rutgers now. However, if a performance like this allows you to be optimistic about our chances against Whisky or Iowa then I really admire your ability to just flush it.

Again, I would not be shocked if we win next week, but this is a team that makes everything harder than it should be. Rutgers will win 1 game this year.
 

mikewebb68

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The inconsistency that anybody who is not blinded by homerism sees. The one that leads this team to lose at home against Akron after leading by 17 points and then is one play away from beating a top ten team in the country the next week. The inconsistency that results in beating a solid Michigan State team by 10 on the road and then sees that team struggle to beat one of worst teams in Division 1 football a few weeks later. This inconsistency has been a characteristic of this team for multiple seasons.
Got it. So how many BIG games do we have to win for us to no longer be labeled by you as inconsistent? 13 of 14? 14 of 15? 15 of 16? 19 of 20? Asking for a friend.

If you told me before the season that we would be rotating qbs our first three games because CT was nowhere near 100 and that Larkin had to medically retire after three games, I would have delighted to be 4-1 in the BIG after 7 games, which I am...
 

mikewebb68

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Don’t really care about Rutgers now. However, if a performance like this allows you to be optimistic about our chances against Whisky or Iowa then I really admire your ability to just flush it.

Again, I would not be shocked if we win next week, but this is a team that makes everything harder than it should be. Rutgers will win 1 game this year.
A performance like this to me is comlpletely irrelevant as to how we will do vs. Wisky. Our goal was to win and not suffer any more injuries, period. Looks like we dodged a bullet with BS How many guys we can get healthy will be key to our performance vs. Wisconsin,imo.
 

corbi2961

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Got it. So how many BIG games do we have to win for us to no longer be labeled by you as inconsistent? 13 of 14? 14 of 15? 15 of 16? 19 of 20? Asking for a friend.

If you told me before the season that we would be rotating qbs our first three games because CT was nowhere near 100 and that Larkin had to medically retire after three games, I would have delighted to be 4-1 in the BIG after 7 games, which I am...

You know, you can be a good fan and still acknowledge there are problems with the team. If you don’t acknowledge a problem it can’t be fixed. I love the record in the Big ten but that doesn’t disprove the arguement about inconsistent results. Out of conference games still count and even within the conference the performance has varied dramatically, usually to the level of competition, as most saw clearly today.
 

MrCat95

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The inconsistency that anybody who is not blinded by homerism sees. The one that leads this team to lose at home against Akron after leading by 17 points and then is one play away from beating a top ten team in the country the next week. The inconsistency that results in beating a solid Michigan State team by 10 on the road and then sees that team struggle to beat one of worst teams in Division 1 football a few weeks later. This inconsistency has been a characteristic of this team for multiple seasons.

The same kind of inconsistency that allows Wisconsin to lose at home to BYU then beat Iowa at Kinnick the next week?

The same kind of inconsistency that allows Purdue to lose to Eastern Michigan then blow out Boston College, Nebraska, Illinois and Ohio State*?

Didn’t Penn State need OT to beat Appalachian State not long before falling by 1 point to Ohio State?

I think your NU homerism may be blinding you a bit to the nature of college football.

*Edited later to add Ohio State...
 
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mikewebb68

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You know, you can be a good fan and still acknowledge there are problems with the team. If you don’t acknowledge a problem it can’t be fixed. I love the record in the Big ten but that doesn’t disprove the arguement about inconsistent results. Out of conference games still count and even within the conference the performance has varied dramatically, usually to the level of competition, as most saw clearly today.
Fair post, but there is a lot of inconsistency in college football, and I am certainly not saying we cannot improve in that respect. But we did dominate BIG teams last year we were expected to beat, so I do believe that we have improved somewhat in that regard. You don't win 11 of 12 BIG games because you ate maddenly inconsistent.

Today's game was played in windy conditions on a horrible field with a bunch of rbs that have hardly played, and we managed to get the job done, which is what counts the most.

EDIT: n/m, MR said it much more eloquently than I, as usual!
 

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Anybody that isn't annoyed by the team's performance today is drunk on purple Kool aid. They played like dog crap for 50+ minutes
 

MrCat95

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Fair post, but there is a lot of inconsistency in college football, and I am certainly not saying we cannot improve in that respect. But we did dominate BIG teams last year we were expected to beat, so I do believe that we have improved somewhat in that regard. You don't win 11 of 12 BIG games because you ate maddenly inconsistent.

Today's game was played in windy conditions on a horrible field with a bunch of rbs that have hardly played, and we managed to get the job done, which is what counts the most.

EDIT: n/m, MR said it much more eloquently than I, as usual!

It is also a hell of a lot easier to be consistent if you prohibit your top 4 or 5 running backs from getting hurt, and you are able to develop some semblance of a running game.

Also, when you’re without any semblance of a running game, screw consistency. Just try to figure out how to win a damn football game this week until you are able to develop a running game.
 

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It's normal to be our own harshest critics. As a fan I was totally disgusted during the game today, but I also realize that most programs, good or bad, have close calls like this...what matters is whether they can pull out the win or not (as Nebraska would've told you last week). Today, we did.

I'll also acknowledge I was watching a lot of Cats on the field whose names I didn't recognize - a sure sign of an injury-laden team. Reasonable to assume (hope?) that Fitz was playing with his roster conservatively today, thinking his depth chart could beat one of the worst teams in college football. He was right (barely!)

I also think NU loves to play the heel on the road - we pull out the most unlikely wins against ranked teams on the road in full stadiums. Today I bet they played in front of a smaller live (but actually...dead) crowd than they have all season - no energy in the stadium...like Ryan Field, we we often suffer letdowns against bad teams.
 

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The same kind of inconsistency that allows Wisconsin to lose at home to BYU then beat Iowa at Kinnick the next week?

The same kind of inconsistency that allows Purdue to lose to Eastern Michigan then blow out Boston College, Nebraska and Illinois?

Didn’t Penn State need OT to beat Appalachian State not long before falling by 1 point to Ohio State?

I think your NU homerism may be blinding you a bit to the nature of college football.

Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem to be as prevalent with the top echelon teams that stand in our way for championship titles. I don’t remember Wisconsin losing to Akron type teams. BYU is not Akron.
 

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Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem to be as prevalent with the top echelon teams that stand in our way for championship titles. I don’t remember Wisconsin losing to Akron type teams. BYU is not Akron.

We’re also not Wisconsin.
 

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Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem to be as prevalent with the top echelon teams that stand in our way for championship titles. I don’t remember Wisconsin losing to Akron type teams. BYU is not Akron.
You're right. But our team is a different personality than Wisconsin. It is like the hammer and the nail. who really gets the job done. The hammer in a moment. the nail for 100 years.
 

MrCat95

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Perhaps, but it doesn’t seem to be as prevalent with the top echelon teams that stand in our way for championship titles. I don’t remember Wisconsin losing to Akron type teams. BYU is not Akron.

What about Ohio State losing by 4 TDS to a team NU and Eastern Michigan beat a few weeks ago?
 

MrCat95

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I sure hope you and mike Webb are right about how good you think this team is. Sincerely.

I never said this NU team was any good. I only said they’re 4-1 and have a chance to get better next week (when it matters).

You get to Indianapolis by being good enough to beat Purdue on one Saturday, beat Nebraska on one Saturday, beat Michigan State on one Saturday, and so on and so forth in 9 different B1G games. You don’t get there by blowing out Rutgers or by almost beating Michigan.
 

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I never said this NU team was any good. I only said they’re 4-1 and have a chance to get better next week (when it matters).

You get to Indianapolis by being good enough to beat Purdue on one Saturday, beat Nebraska on one Saturday, beat Michigan State on one Saturday, and so on and so forth in 9 different B1G games. You don’t get there by blowing out Rutgers or by almost beating Michigan.
So we are not good? And what’s this one game at a time nonsense? You coining that?
 

rwhitney014

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So we are not good? And what’s this one game at a time nonsense? You coining that?

You are what your record is, and for those schools not reasonably competing for a CFP berth, you are what your conference record is. Ours is tops where it matters right now, and we have the team we need to beat to stay there coming to our place next week.

Outside of the W, no one's happy with the game today. But the W is all that really matters. I'd rather have our result today than Ohio State's, that's for sure - on a field where we won at night, no less.

Hopefully next week we get a bunch of our injured starters back. Having Nate Hall flying around would be quite helpful in dealing with those Badgers RBs.
 

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You are what your record is, and for those schools not reasonably competing for a CFP berth, you are what your conference record is. Ours is tops where it matters right now, and we have the team we need to beat to stay there coming to our place next week.

Outside of the W, no one's happy with the game today. But the W is all that really matters. I'd rather have our result today than Ohio State's, that's for sure - on a field where we won at night, no less.

Hopefully next week we get a bunch of our injured starters back. Having Nate Hall flying around would be quite helpful in dealing with those Badgers RBs.

You may be right. Maybe this turd comes at the right time for us. The team seems to rebound from debacles with no peer. After Akron, we had a spirited game against what looks increasingly like the favorites of the East at the Big House where we outplayed them for a half before running out of gas. Then we took Michigan State on the road.

Maybe this comes at the right time, right before Wisconsin, ND, and Iowa. We needed something to wake our asses up, and hopefully the coaches are as pissed off about this performance as most of us are, and they have as tough a practice as ever and we shock the world. The D is solid. We just need to get this offense going again.

Anyone know what's wrong with Hall and Newsome? Will they return? We coulfd use them for this upcoming stretch.

What about Jalen Brown?
 

MrCat95

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So we are not good? And what’s this one game at a time nonsense? You coining that?

If you think the one game at a time concept is nonsense, respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

A wise coach once told me you’re only as good as the last time you played. So the answer is no, we stink. We stunk the last time we played at Rutgers, so we stink. However, we won. That actually helps the team’s preparation for next week as winning while playing ****** is a good blend of confidence builder with a complacency antidote. No, we didn’t stink earlier this year after we beat Purdue or Michigan State on the road.

I have two Big Ten championship rings, so here are my first hand observations:

In 1995, our lackluster come from behind road wins over a bad (5-5-1) Illinois and a terrible (3-8) Minnesota team secured one of those rings. By the way, we beat Wisconsin 35-0 a week after coming from behind to beat that terrible (3-8) Minnesota team. Should I mention our inexplicable cluster-f*** loss to a MAC team at home in that otherwise 10-1 (8-0) championship season?

The other ring came in 1996 despite a blowout (road) loss to a two loss Penn State team and several ugly wins against Minnesota (4-7), Purdue (3-8), Illinois (2-9) and Wisconsin (8-5). I almost forgot our 17-16 win over Michigan at home that nearly none of the NU fanbase actually witnessed because they all headed for the exits when we were behind in the 3rd quarter despite our 9 game B1G win streak leading up to the 4th quarter of that game. I digress...

I remember the thousands of hours of practicing, film study, game planning, conditioning and injury rehabbing that went into winning those games, and yes, losing a few along the way. Every week had unique challenges... Different styles of play, different match-ups, varying levels of energy and enthusiasm, injuries beyond who just played or not as most had to do with managing and playing through injuries that impacted effectiveness.

I then supplement this experience with 22 more years of observation of B1G Champions and many other teams who came close.

Our 2000 Championship NU team had a defense I could best describe as just terrible. That season had a series of improbable wins including inexplicable opponent fumbles, Hail Marys, desperation 4th and long completions and many other highly improbable events strung together. (An inexplicable loss to a bad Iowa team cost that Championship NU team the Rose Bowl by the way...)

This isn’t just an NU phenomenon. Ohio State’s undefeated 2002 B1G and National Championship team’s offense made NU’s 2015 (10-2 team) offense look explosive. They did have a great defense though. Even that national champion OSU team required last second heroics and overtime to beat 4-4 Purdue and Illinois teams late in the season.

And our best overall NU team in terms of offense, defense and special teams the past 40 years (2012’s 10-3 team) still somehow managed to blow three close games to Nebraska, Michigan and Penn State that they should have won. (Most of the other 10 wins were pretty good-looking though).

In summary, yes, we stink, but we’re 4-1 with wins over a team that just crushed Ohio State, a team that beat Penn State, a team that just blew out Minnesota and one team that has a pulse... The 1 loss we have in conference play (to Michigan) is a game with a lot of would have, could have, should haves. That Michigan team blew out arch rival Wisconsin last week and beat Michigan State by the way.

The one good thing from this Rutgers win (other than the winning part) is that despite injury to our 4 or 5 best running backs (I lost count), we may actually have found a freshman running back on the roster (just coming off injury himself) that can run down hill in a physical manner and give us a running game that an opposing defense has to defend. That’s pretty huge. We don’t need a world-beating running game by the way. We just need a passable one to get defenses out of pass rush and pass defense-only mode.

I have little doubt we can beat any B1G team left on our schedule with the status quo running game, but It’s highly improbable we can beat 3 or 4 of them without a running game.

Yes, I’m hopeful the Cats can figure out a way to get a 1 point win next week against the most flawed Wisconsin team I’ve seen in many years. We might still stink after that win, but I’ll take it. I’ll worry about what’s next later.
 
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