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RockyTopRowdy58

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I am very glad for you that you live your life vicariously through SEC football. It must be very rewarding. I'm guessing that's all you have going for you. S-E-C! S-E-C! We at Northwestern don't hear many chants with letters in them, unless they are MBA! PhD! JD! MD! You bore me.

What a joke of a post. Get off your academic high horse and understand you have gotten your tails whipped by the tune of 113-16 in your 3 losses this season. This is not a board of trustees meeting, it's football message board.

Tennessee doesn't have to live vicariously through other SEC teams. We are 9-4 and just smoked a 10 win B1G team. If we were Kentucky fans, maybe such a comment would apply, but that obviously isn't the case.

Everyone in the country realizes Tennessee is headed in an upward trajectory. We are very close to competing for SEC and National Championships. Feels good, man.
 

RockyTopRowdy58

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On that note, some graduation performance stats from a couple of years ago:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...h-the-best-and-worst-graduation-rates/page/30

That puts you in the bottom 20% or so. Color me unimpressed.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...h-the-best-and-worst-graduation-rates/page/28

Leading the nation. Have a nice day.

Recent coaching turnover results in massive amounts of attrition, and Butch is not shy about letting non-comtributors go. Are those figures considered in your linked bleacher report?? They certainly skew the numbers against us...

I do know we finished this fall semester with 53 players above a 3.0 and a cumulative team GPA of 2.9 ... Not exactly the U in the 80's. Not Northwestern good, but respectable, IMO.

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SchizoCat1

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Is this an academic message board? I am sorry, I thought this was a football board. My apologies

It's a football board, Captain Irony, but every now and then when the yahoos show up we have to tell them that in the long run football doesn't mean a damn, unless football is all you got, Now, I know you're proud of your football team and all, and justifiably so, but regardless of how you feel about your team (as my colleague EvanstonCat says) at Northwestern, we're not elitist, we're just better than you. Again, I'm happy that your players at your third rate university thoroughly beat our players at our first rate university. Rocky Top and all that. Hoo hah. In Chicago, though, that and a few bucks gets you a ride on the CNW to the North Shore. The point of having student athletes is that they are student athletes. You and the rest of the schools in the Subpar Edimication Conference ought to try on that concept some time. Put it in youse jimmies at night, maybe. Whatever turns you on.
 
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SchizoCat1

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Recent coaching turnover results in massive amounts of attrition, and Butch is not shy about letting non-comtributors go. Are those figures considered in your linked bleacher report?? They certainly skew the numbers against us...

I do know we finished this fall semester with 53 players above a 3.0 and a cumulative team GPA of 2.9 ... Not exactly the U in the 80's. Not Northwestern good, but respectable, IMO.

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Read bleacher report yourself, or email them if you have questions. Unlike you, though, we don't recruit players just to kick them out. We consider that unprincipled and gutless. You consider it business as usual. No surprise there. We consider our players student athletes. You consider them athletes. No surprise there, either.
 

RockyTopRowdy58

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Read bleacher report yourself, or email them if you have questions. Unlike you, though, we don't recruit players just to kick them out. We consider that unprincipled and gutless. You consider it business as usual. No surprise there. We consider our players student athletes. You consider them athletes. No surprise there, either.

As a former NCAA football player, I disagree about the "unprincipled and gutless" practice of parting ways with a player who isn't going to make it on the field.

It is best for the school and the player, IMO. I honestly believe the dialogue between coach and players as these decisions are made is very civil and all cards are on the table. The player is better off going somewhere that their efforts as an athlete can be awarded with playing time, while continuing their education and obtaining a degree. It is my understanding that our program helps find players a new place to go as well. We are not pushing guys overboard to drown.

My original post on the issue may not have qualified it very well, but your condescending and assumption driven tone is a little sharp here, in my humble opinion.
 
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UT: Much better football team
NU: Much better academically
UT: Much prettier women

We win.

Lighten up guys.
 

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In other words, your view is that enrolling is about playing football first, education second. If the playing football part does not work out, find another football school. The degree is a commodity.

At NU, it is education first. On rare occasions guys transfer. The vast, vast majority graduate.

Not saying one is right and the other is wrong. But I like how NU does it, even if it means getting our asses kicked on the field from time to time.
 

RockyTopRowdy58

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In other words, your view is that enrolling is about playing football first, education second. If the playing football part does not work out, find another football school. The degree is a commodity.

At NU, it is education first. On rare occasions guys transfer. The vast, vast majority graduate.

Not saying one is right and the other is wrong. But I like how NU does it, even if it means getting our asses kicked on the field from time to time.

Considering the majority of our commitments think they are league bound, the football fit is huge to them. I think most realize early in their career through the educational efforts of the program that the league is reserved for few and education is paramount.

If a player isn't getting on the field, going elsewhere so that they can enjoy the experiences of playing the game and get the education they want... That's best for all parties.

Academics will always be more important at Northwestern than Tennessee. No debating that. But to assume academics are some inconvenient afterthought for Tennessee and its players is a foolish assumption.
 

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In other words, you have a university that your football team can be proud of.

Don't be so simple minded. UF is not nearly as good as they with Greir under center.

Do I need to post scores of the MSU, Iowa, and NU games?

The SEC just a record for bowl victories and won 80% of its games...
 

kabzs_rivals

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Actually, I have a very good job (even employ a Northwestern grad ), have a great wife and two wonderful daughters. Really don't do the SEC cheer, but I do enjoy watching UT whip Big 10 arse!! I also enjoy getting your Yankee jimmies rustled
On that note, some graduation performance stats from a couple of years ago:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...h-the-best-and-worst-graduation-rates/page/30

That puts you in the bottom 20% or so. Color me unimpressed.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...h-the-best-and-worst-graduation-rates/page/28

Leading the nation. Have a nice day.
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We acknowledge NW is a fine school.

It must pain you to know Josh Dobbs, the UT qb, is an aerospace engineering major, and on the academics side, now that UT is washing out the debacle from former head Coach Dooley, that under Butch Jones, UT football academics is the highest it has ever been, The majority of the team is over a 3.0 this last grade reporting term.

Abraham Lincoln said it was not where he studied law, for he had studied on the plains of Springfield, but he reminded his nephew, "the knowledge is in the books." Tennessee is a relatively poor state. Many of us are bright but we don't have the money to spend on a degree from a name school like NW.

For example, I am the middle child of a family of 7 kids, with a disabled youngest brother. I began working on the farm at age 9. I had to go to an in state school to earn my JD. I had to pay my own way.mI graduated with my law degree with only $16k in debt. I respect the fine lawyers I encounter from "name" schools like Emory or Vandy. Yet I routinely win my cases against them. You know why? It's because I have to outwork them. I learned to work, and work harder.

In football Coach Butch Jones instills the same blue collar work ethic. Brick-by-brick, he requires the team to bring that blue collar hard work mentality to every play. There is no snobbery elitism, no sense of entitlement. Every man must bring it on each play. That how UT won over NW.

Whether as a fan or player, in sport or work, we work.

Congrats to your team for a fine season record. But when a 4 loss team dominates you like it did, it suggests to me that UT just plain wanted it more. A smug (yeh but we are a better school) elitism on the part of your fans is just not becoming.

And by the way, "Hutch1" is an immature troll and he loves to bait opposing schools into squabbles all the time. I should hope you intelligent fans would not fall for such obvious shenanigans.
 

kabzs_rivals

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It's a football board, Captain Irony, but every now and then when the yahoos show up we have to tell them that in the long run football doesn't mean a damn, unless football is all you got, Now, I know you're proud of your football team and all, and justifiably so, but regardless of how you feel about your team (as my colleague EvanstonCat says) at Northwestern, we're not elitist, we're just better than you. Again, I'm happy that your players at your third rate university thoroughly beat our players at our first rate university. Rocky Top and all that. Hoo hah. In Chicago, though, that and a few bucks gets you a ride on the CNW to the North Shore. The point of having student athletes is that they are student athletes. You and the rest of the schools in the Subpar Edimication Conference ought to try on that concept some time. Put it in youse jimmies at night, maybe. Whatever turns you on.
such snobbery. I'm shaking my head as a UT fan, finishing my breakfast, with my JD, Looking out my breakfast window onto the Black Creek golf course in Chattanooga, ( one of the top 100 residential courses in the country) .

It sho 'nuf is satisfyin to be a dum-arse redneck Tennessee laywer( mis -spelling is intentional). Wish I was smarter and should have taken that job offur up north so's I cud live in a city with them smart rich folks.. Well I'll be playin golf here the third time this week aftur while. Y'all feel pity for me sum, okie-dokie?
 
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Don't be so simple minded. UF is not nearly as good as they with Greir under center.

Do I need to post scores of the MSU, Iowa, and NU games?

The SEC just a record for bowl victories and won 80% of its games...
Oh man, gotta put it down where the cows can get it. Y'all are thicker'n a short plank.
 
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such snobbery. I'm shaking my head as a UT fan, finishing my breakfast, with my JD, Looking out my breakfast window onto the Black Creek golf course in Chattanooga, ( one of the top 100 residential courses in the country) .

It sho 'nuf is satisfyin to be a dum-arse redneck Tennessee laywer( mis -spelling is intentional). Wish I was smarter and should have taken that job offur up north so's I cud live in a city with them smart rich folks.. Well I'll be playin golf here the third time this week aftur while. Y'all feel pity for me sum, okie-dokie?
And the high point in Tennessee jurisprudence was when William Jennings Bryan argued that humans were not mammals and the Earth is six thousand years old.
 

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This thread is stupid. NU is a ridiculously better school than UT. That is not up for discussion. I respect NU for fielding highly competitive teams while maintaining rigorous academic standards. It is impressive.

Tennessee is, has always been and always will be a superior football team. That is equally beyond discussion.

Both schools should be congratulated and anyone with a brain should recognize what NU is doing is far more important than what UT is doing. Education always trumps everything else.
 

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This thread is stupid. NU is a ridiculously better school than UT. That is not up for discussion. I respect NU for fielding highly competitive teams while maintaining rigorous academic standards. It is impressive.

Tennessee is, has always been and always will be a superior football team. That is equally beyond discussion.

Both schools should be congratulated and anyone with a brain should recognize what NU is doing is far more important than what UT is doing. Education always trumps everything else.

I disagree. There are many things that could be argued "most important," but education level/quality is not one of them.

Some of the possible most-important things:

(1) (if you are religious) -- living a worthy life (however your religion defines it).
(2) (if you are nationalistic) -- serving your nation.
(3) (if you are species-focused) -- serving your fellow man.
(4) (if you are pan-life) -- improving the world for all those who live on it.
(5) (if you are self-centered) -- fame, fortune, power.

Getting a good degree from a respected institution is just a tool that might help you achieve one of those most important things. And, btw, so is succeeding as a member of a very good sports team.

So, not "far more important." Just different. Both excel in their own ways. Let's leave it at that.
 
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The Big Ten just had a weird season in general, which led to the slotting of teams being off. MSU had a Cinderella season, winning week after week in the final minute. They were the champion but not many people really thought they were the league's best team. (I'm no fan of Ohio State, but they were the league's best team all year, outside of one inexplicable performance against MSU.)

Iowa had a gaudy record but didn't play OSU, Michigan, MSU or PSU in the regular season. They were not really the second-best team, but because of their terrible schedule, their record said they were.

Northwestern was another good story this year, but to be honest, Wisconsin was probably better than them. UW lost to NU on a really iffy call. I think they were a more balanced team overall than NU. Pat Fitzgerald got a lot out of a team that didn't have a lot of firepower offensively, but it led to his team being slotted against a stronger opponent than it could handle.

There is always some iffy placement in the bowl match ups, but it happened to be extreme this year. MSU, Iowa and Northwestern all were slotted higher than they ideally should have been, while OSU and Wisconsin were slotted too low. Michigan was the one team that was properly slotted (while, conversely, UF sans Grier was overslotted).
 

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What a joke of a post. Get off your academic high horse and understand you have gotten your tails whipped by the tune of 113-16 in your 3 losses this season. This is not a board of trustees meeting, it's football message board.

Tennessee doesn't have to live vicariously through other SEC teams. We are 9-4 and just smoked a 10 win B1G team. If we were Kentucky fans, maybe such a comment would apply, but that obviously isn't the case.

Everyone in the country realizes Tennessee is headed in an upward trajectory. We are very close to competing for SEC and National Championships. Feels good, man.

We define our board, not you. You should have been around for the debates here before we instituted the Rant Board a few years back. I congratulate you that your athletes beat our student athletes. Have a nice life,.
 

SchizoCat1

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We acknowledge NW is a fine school.

It must pain you to know Josh Dobbs, the UT qb, is an aerospace engineering major, and on the academics side, now that UT is washing out the debacle from former head Coach Dooley, that under Butch Jones, UT football academics is the highest it has ever been, The majority of the team is over a 3.0 this last grade reporting term.

Abraham Lincoln said it was not where he studied law, for he had studied on the plains of Springfield, but he reminded his nephew, "the knowledge is in the books." Tennessee is a relatively poor state. Many of us are bright but we don't have the money to spend on a degree from a name school like NW.

For example, I am the middle child of a family of 7 kids, with a disabled youngest brother. I began working on the farm at age 9. I had to go to an in state school to earn my JD. I had to pay my own way.mI graduated with my law degree with only $16k in debt. I respect the fine lawyers I encounter from "name" schools like Emory or Vandy. Yet I routinely win my cases against them. You know why? It's because I have to outwork them. I learned to work, and work harder.

In football Coach Butch Jones instills the same blue collar work ethic. Brick-by-brick, he requires the team to bring that blue collar hard work mentality to every play. There is no snobbery elitism, no sense of entitlement. Every man must bring it on each play. That how UT won over NW.

Whether as a fan or player, in sport or work, we work.

Congrats to your team for a fine season record. But when a 4 loss team dominates you like it did, it suggests to me that UT just plain wanted it more. A smug (yeh but we are a better school) elitism on the part of your fans is just not becoming.

And by the way, "Hutch1" is an immature troll and he loves to bait opposing schools into squabbles all the time. I should hope you intelligent fans would not fall for such obvious shenanigans.

Thank you for your acknowledgement. I congratulate you on your achievements. You and Iare more similar than you think; I worked and borrowed my way through NU, paid for my own JD and, later, my MBA.

UT won over NU because it had better players. It has better players because your entrance standards for football are at or near the NCAA minimum. NU's entrance standards are among the highest in the country. (So are our graduation rates.) You have a much larger pool of athletes from which to recruit, so you get better athletes. It's not a question of work ethic, it's a question of quality athletes.

I also congratulate your QB on his academic achievements, a topic the TV commentators discussed frequently and at length. The difference between UT and NU is that Dobbs is a exception at UT, while at NU player academic achievement of that level is the rule, not the exception.
 
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tacacoca

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Thank you for your acknowledgement. I congratulate you on your achievements. You and Iare more similar than you think; I worked and borrowed my way through NU, paid for my own JD and, later, my MBA.

UT won over NU because it had better players. It has better players because your entrance standards for football are at or near the NCAA minimum. NU's entrance standards are among the highest in the country. (So are our graduation rates.) You have a much larger pool of athletes from which to recruit, so you get better athletes. It's not a question of work ethic, it's a question of quality athletes.

I also congratulate your QB on his academic achievements, a topic the TV commentators discussed frequently and at length. The difference between UT and NU is that Dobbs is a exception at UT, while at NU player academic achievement of that level is the rule, not the exception.
This is pretty damn accurate. UT folks (of which I am one) won't like this but it cannot be argued.
 

SchizoCat1

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such snobbery. I'm shaking my head as a UT fan, finishing my breakfast, with my JD, Looking out my breakfast window onto the Black Creek golf course in Chattanooga, ( one of the top 100 residential courses in the country) .

It sho 'nuf is satisfyin to be a dum-arse redneck Tennessee laywer( mis -spelling is intentional). Wish I was smarter and should have taken that job offur up north so's I cud live in a city with them smart rich folks.. Well I'll be playin golf here the third time this week aftur while. Y'all feel pity for me sum, okie-dokie?

I've got a JD, too, along with an MBA. I'm sure you are a fine lawyer and live well but, to be honest, you couldn't pay me to live in Chattanooga, golf course or no golf course. I prefer to live in a area with good shopping, education, and restaurants, like the North Shore, Greenwich or Westchester County. The weather sucks but the amenities are first rate.
 

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I've got a JD, too, along with an MBA. I'm sure you are a fine lawyer and live well but, to be honest, you couldn't pay me to live in Chattanooga, golf course or no golf course. I prefer to live in a area with good shopping, education, and restaurants, like the North Shore, Greenwich or Westchester County. The weather sucks but the amenities are first rate.
Your preference, not my style. I can certainly understand why you would love it up there.

I've spent plenty of time in Chicago when my daughter was in college. As far as the downtown goes it's my favorite big city in America. As far as Chattanooga goes it's among the most livable mid size cities in the country. Literally tens of billions invested here in the past 20 years. Vw plant, robust tourist area, and now the nation's fastest internet at 20 gig per second. I "only" have 70 meg at home and the office. The point is there is a lot of IT growth going on. I left LA to come here, turned down jobs in Memphis, Boston, and New Orleans. It's a great life. There are lots of poor people but there is a truely wonderful lifestyle available. Tennessee hillbillies are a rarity, and a fictionalized part of a bygone era.

My response in this thread is due to what I think is a sour grapes attitude among the posters here. Their smugness as to their educational pedigree is offensive, and yet off point. Ironically, it shows their ignorance because the fact is, the axis of the earth (and hence it's revolution) does NOT go through NU.
 

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You Big 10 guys are funny. What is your record head to head with the SEC? Case closed

Michigan is 7-3 against the $EC in bowl games. Something like 23-7-1 overall. I would guess that as JH gets his guys, he will add to the win column.
 

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And your are sure he is wrong!?

I'm not so smug to believe in a human based theory, and disregard the Bible.

Open your eyes to scientific alternatives. http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=search&f_typeID=2

Sorry but ICR is NOT science! It IS funny reading for real scientists, though. We liked to play "What's wrong with this article" with each of the ridiculous articles posted in Creation magazine.

Yes. We should never disregard the make-believe nature writings of animal-sacrificing primitives who didn't know where the sun went at night.

I've considered moving to Tennessee for its biological diversity, but the level of religious superstition and now intolerance toward various groups is bad there. Any mosque vandalism in Tennessee lately?
 
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Your preference, not my style. I can certainly understand why you would love it up there.

I've spent plenty of time in Chicago when my daughter was in college. As far as the downtown goes it's my favorite big city in America. As far as Chattanooga goes it's among the most livable mid size cities in the country. Literally tens of billions invested here in the past 20 years. Vw plant, robust tourist area, and now the nation's fastest internet at 20 gig per second. I "only" have 70 meg at home and the office. The point is there is a lot of IT growth going on. I left LA to come here, turned down jobs in Memphis, Boston, and New Orleans. It's a great life. There are lots of poor people but there is a truely wonderful lifestyle available. Tennessee hillbillies are a rarity, and a fictionalized part of a bygone era.

My response in this thread is due to what I think is a sour grapes attitude among the posters here. Their smugness as to their educational pedigree is offensive, and yet off point. Ironically, it shows their ignorance because the fact is, the axis of the earth (and hence it's revolution) does NOT go through NU.

Thank you for your remarks. I'm sure Chattanooga is a very nice place, but like I said you couldn't pay me to live there. It's a matter of personal preference.

Many NU posters here, including me, have congratulated you on your win, a fact you conveniently forget. You beat us. We get it. Yet you complain about our sour grapes attitude and smugness. The real smugness is your guys coming here to OUR board, including guys who didn't even go to UT, gloating about a win over a much smaller, much more challenging school, and thinking that somehow they earned the win themselves and as a consequence the axis of the earth goes through Knoxville. Huh?


NU plays the game straight, with athletes who are students first and who graduate with challenging majors. Give us a call when your football players do the same. I don't expect to hear from you. NU football players join the professional class. Your football players, the really talented ones, go to the NFL. I wonder how many of those who don't end up joining the working class.
 

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I am a UT fan and also have a JD. Can I post in this thread?

Also as I type this I'm at my lake house in Nashville on Old Hickory lake. Does that add to my resume? Haha
 

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I am a UT fan and also have a JD. Can I post in this thread?

Also as I type this I'm at my lake house in Nashville on Old Hickory lake. Does that add to my resume? Haha
I thought he meant he was having breakfast with Jack Daniel.

But, yeah, I married at attorney. I get it.
 

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Nice try.

First, more of the smugness shown on this board to disparage and mock those whom you hold in condescending contempt. As to Muslims, my son is an evangelical minister here in Chattanooga. He spent much of his summer, and again just returned from Detroit, working with Muslims from Yemen, teaching them to read, and giving advice on how to get jobs. They also serve a local Imam to help him rehab his dilapidated home. I am unableto help, so I support that type of ministry with giving. I home you are charitable to Muslims also.

You mock God to your own peril. It is foolish to mock God.

As to creationism. Darwin acknowledged he had a problem with his own theory of evolution due to
Irreducible Complexity.

http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/840

Irreducible Complexity means that there are many biochemical processes which may be absolute necessary for an organism to thrive, and without all of them in place one of them will work, and the organism will die.



He also wrote there was a major problem with the Cambrian explosion. This is weak point of evolution. The Cambrian level is the oldest part of the fossil layer where we see fully developed vertebrates. One would expect that if there had been evolution of higher beings from lower beings, then there would be extensive fossil records of missing ancestral links leading up to the vertebrates in the pre-Cambrian levels. In addition, you would expect to see extensive diversification of various orders. Alas for you, there are none. Darwin knew there were none found during his lifetime, he hoped there would be some links found later. There still are none. Don't mock me for lack of science. Look in the mirror at somebody who has been sold a bill of goods from Professors who don't know what they are postulating about. There should be abundant fossil records of many many links from the primordial soup to higher forms of life... And please don't pretend that a reptile is like a bird, and try to make a connection...there are far too many gaps between. The Cambrian level looks to me much more like a flood level laid lots of animals quickly before they could decompose, but of course, we simpletons from Tennessee are too stupid to know better.

As a final example of the problem you evolutionists have is you absolutely rely upon a worl system of continuity. You assume that things occur today because they have always been that way. You make big assumptions. For example You cannot explain the changes which took place when the magnetic poles reversed. Without knowing base line measurements, you can only hypothesize the way things were and try to extrapolate to today.

Your attempted insults are ineffective. You have a lot of work to do.

And your background in science and particularly the evolutionary sciences is what? Handouts at The Lord's Harvest Bible Study? Who's making BIGGER assumptions here?! Why are there a hundred religions when yours is true? I'm sure your religious beliefs are based upon solid scientific inquiry and thought.

When you find a single mammal or even dinosaur skeleton among the millions of fossils recovered from Precambrian layers from thousands of locations, then let me know. Why don't we ever find them? Creationists have no evidence when it should be ABUNDANT if true! Why is that? There have been plenty of "link" fossils found in the past 150 years. I read about them often in Science and Nature (they're top journals in science). I gather you don't bother keeping up with advancements in science. Why is that?

The Creationist arguments for irreducible complexity were thoroughly destroyed as a religious argument made from ignorance in the Kitzmiller vs Dover Trial in 2005. Even the Christian judge who presided over the trial was disgusted with fundamentalist Christians for their intellectual dishonesty. Why is that?

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. With that said, we do not question that many of the leading advocates of ID have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors. Nor do we controvert that ID should continue to be studied, debated, and discussed. As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom."
 

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Thank you for your remarks. I'm sure Chattanooga is a very nice place, but like I said you couldn't pay me to live there. It's a matter of personal preference.

Many NU posters here, including me, have congratulated you on your win, a fact you conveniently forget. You beat us. We get it. Yet you complain about our sour grapes attitude and smugness. The real smugness is your guys coming here to OUR board, including guys who didn't even go to UT, gloating about a win over a much smaller, much more challenging school, and thinking that somehow they earned the win themselves and as a consequence the axis of the earth goes through Knoxville. Huh?


NU plays the game straight, with athletes who are students first and who graduate with challenging majors. Give us a call when your football players do the same. I don't expect to hear from you. NU football players join the professional class. Your football players, the really talented ones, go to the NFL. I wonder how many of those who don't end up joining the working class.


Our Board? Just what makes this yours? I pay a monthly fee to access Rivals. With that monthly fee, I have a name log in, and access to a Rivals board, for my fee. When I linked through to this board from Volquest, the Rivals system recognized me. I have no idea if this board is also a subscription service or a free board. I innocently came onto this board to see if I could hear your perspective on why the game wasn't closer. I actually expected your defense to have held up better, perhaps because I had read how tough it had been all year, you defeated Stanford, etc.

Now as to your comments.

Look at my posts. I believe I have been a gentleman in all my posts. The assertions I have made here have only been when ad hominem attacks upon We Tennesseans has occurred. Thereafter, I responded when more mocking attacks occurred , such as alleged educational superiority, religious jabs, and comments about attacking Mosques, which I find are all objectionable. Do a search. You will find absolutely ZERO negative threads here by me about any of your players, coaches, or fans, with one narrow exception. I have complemented your school and city. I have not attacked any fan, but I have called out a few posters here about their behavior as being smug, sour grapes, and condescending. And then I have defended my positions with facts, demonstrating my academic ability Is on par with yours, as is my personal integrity.
 
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And your background in science and particularly the evolutionary sciences is what? Handouts at The Lord's Harvest Bible Study? Who's making BIGGER assumptions here?! Why are there a hundred religions when yours is true? I'm sure your religious beliefs are based upon solid scientific inquiry and thought.

When you find a single mammal or even dinosaur skeleton among the millions of fossils recovered from Precambrian layers from thousands of locations, then let me know. Why don't we ever find them? Creationists have no evidence when it should be ABUNDANT if true! Why is that? There have been plenty of "link" fossils found in the past 150 years. I read about them often in Science and Nature (they're top journals in science). I gather you don't bother keeping up with advancements in science. Why is that?

The Creationist arguments for irreducible complexity were thoroughly destroyed as a religious argument made from ignorance in the Kitzmiller vs Dover Trial in 2005. Even the Christian judge who presided over the trial was disgusted with fundamentalist Christians for their intellectual dishonesty. Why is that?

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy. With that said, we do not question that many of the leading advocates of ID have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors. Nor do we controvert that ID should continue to be studied, debated, and discussed. As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom."


Wow. That's a mighty wide shotgun blast there. The time it takes to address each of those issues requires a book, not just a few lines there.

As to my credentials in science, I only have three years of a zoology minor in college, basic chemistry, math, physics. I was in in long enough to understand I could not imagine a career in that. I don't have the personality to do well in a lab. I was there long enough to learn basic vocabulary, scientific methods, and such. However I was there long enough to see over and over that evolution was always presented to be as a conclusion of how things must have come about. There was in my mind, no proof that It was a cause..

I want to thank you for your sharp reading of my post. When I read your insightful reply, I realized that as a I typed at the end of a long day (for me) I misspoke. Your post made me refocus on the gist of my argument, and your comments actually make my argument stronger. in my prior Post I was referring to the Pre-Cambrian explosion. That was a gross error, and I misspoke. Thank you for catching that. Of course, The Cambrian layer, by definition was when the explosion of diverse life began. The shallow layers of sedimentary rock just below the Cambrian is by definition, pre-Cambrian. If evolution is true, one would expect that in the pre-Cambrian layers there should be fossils of pre-dinosaurs, pre-fish, pre-mammals, and pre-man. There are none. That is what Darwin was afraid of.

Darwin himself wrote in his Origins, Chapter 6:

LONG before having arrived at this part of my work, a crowd of difficulties will have occurred to the reader. Some of them are so grave that to this day I can never reflect on them without being staggered; but, to the best of my judgment, the greater number are only apparent, and those that are real are not, I think, fatal to my theory.

These difficulties and objections may be classed under the following heads:-Firstly, why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms? Why is not all nature in confusion instead of the species being, as we see them, well defined?

Secondly, is it possible that an animal having, for instance, the structure and habits of a bat, could have been formed by the modification of some animal with wholly different habits? Can we believe that natural selection could produce, on the one hand, organs of trifling importance, such as the tail of a giraffe, which serves as a fly-flapper, and, on the other hand, organs of such wonderful structure, as the eye, of which we hardly as yet fully understand the inimitable perfection?

Thirdly, can instincts be acquired and modified through natural selection? What shall we say to so marvellous an instinct as that which leads the bee to make cells, which have practically anticipated the discoveries of profound mathematicians?

Fourthly, how can we account for species, when crossed, being sterile and producing sterile offspring, whereas, when varieties are crossed, their fertility is unimpaired?"

In Chapter 9 of Origins, Darwin agreed with me, not you. He wrote:

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Consequently, if my theory be true, it is indisputable that before the lowest Silurian stratum was deposited, long periods elapsed, as long as, or probably far longer than, the whole interval from the Silurian age to the present day; and that during these vast, yet quite unknown, periods of time, the world swarmed with living creatures.

To the question why we do not find records of these vast primordial periods, I can give no satisfactory answer....
The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained."

He acknowledge his theory has this fatal flaw and hypothesized some day someone will find a solution.
Your evolutionary hero was not the proponent of the evolutionary movement that he is made out to be today . His argument had holes and he knew it.

As to Kitzmiller. That case was an establishment clause case under the 2nd amendment. A school board wanted to force a statement about ID into high school science classes. In that case the School board was found to be inserting a religious bias into the curriculum.. I personally understand the legal reasoning behind the opinion. Former Justis Thurgood Marshall , fabricated the concept of separation of church and state where ther had not been such before his time, and the judge in Kitzmiller found a violation of the establishment clause..To me, that's no biggie..

In close reading of Kitzmiller, it largely depends upon what the definition of "science" is, particularly as it relates to old earth theory. By definition "science" precludes any possibility of any supernatural explanation, such as God. Similarly, Intellegent Design at its roots works its way back to God. That judge said that inserting ID into a text book was insertion of religion into a curriculum..

Kitzmiller also pointed out the lack of peer reviewed articles. Kitzmiller was decided several years earlier, but a later event demonstrates the fear-instilling and hostility the evolutionists exert on those who break ranks. They will shut down dissenting voices. See this article of a case in point about the Smithsonian's attack on an editor who merely published an ID article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/18/AR2005081801680.html When there is no ability to publish, there can be no debate.

I met a professor who earned a PhD from Harvard who had to keep his personal views secret to get his doctorate. The bias against his views would have prevented his degree. There is institutional bias.

As to my views on religion, does it matter? You have read above intelligent and respectful discussion of the issues. Would you view my positions on the substance of the issues differently if I were an atheist, or a Hindu? Think about it. The observations stand on their own footing. The integrity is strong. Even Charles Darwin had to scratch his head that somehow, there was a universal erosion of pre-Cambrian evidence of evolution, yet higher levels of deposits survived where protected levels of fossils below somehow can't be found. ! ?

I am a follower of Jesus. I once argued against miracles. God moved me. I repented. I can tell you no other vector or religion moved this vile man. I know from experience God is real. Moreover, I read my Bible. And by the way, to me it is no smear to call me a Bible thumper, or religious hack. It merely shows the Holy Spirit is convicting you of your sin and need for Him.
 

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Our Board? Just what makes this yours? I pay a monthly fee to access Rivals. With that monthly fee, I have a name log in, and access to a Rivals board, for my fee. When I linked through to this board from Volquest, the Rivals system recognized me. I have no idea if this board is also a subscription service or a free board. I innocently came onto this board to see if I could hear your perspective on why the game wasn't closer. I actually expected your defense to have held up better, perhaps because I had read how tough it had been all year, you defeated Stanford, etc.

Now as to your comments.

Look at my posts. I believe I have been a gentleman in all my posts. The assertions I have made here have only been when ad hominem attacks upon We Tennesseans has occurred. Thereafter, I responded when more mocking attacks occurred , such as alleged educational superiority, religious jabs, and comments about attacking Mosques, which I find are all objectionable. Do a search. You will find absolutely ZERO negative threads here by me about any of your players, coaches, or fans, with one narrow exception. I have complemented your school and city. I have not attacked any fan, but I have called out a few posters here about their behavior as being smug, sour grapes, and condescending. And then I have defended my positions with facts, demonstrating my academic ability Is on par with yours, as is my personal integrity.

I've never accused YOU of not being a gentleman. As to some of your fellow UT fans, well, that's another matter, and it is them to whom I refer. The ad hominem attacks made by those dolts were awe-inspiring, both before and after the game. As I said:

"The real smugness is your guys coming here to OUR board, including guys who didn't even go to UT, gloating about a win over a much smaller, much more challenging school, and thinking that somehow they earned the win themselves and as a consequence the axis of the earth goes through Knoxville."

Hence, my remarks were in response to ungentlemanly conduct initiated by your fellow UT fans. I suggest you go reprimand them, not me. They started it.

Nor have I ever said that your academic ability is not on a par with mine (how could I, as I have no basis for comparison, and even less interest?).

Finally, as to the "OUR board" remark: Come on. The UT board is YOUR board, the NU board is OUR board. We hang out here, you hang out there. OK? It's not a issue one gets legal over.