Let’s give it a week, but assuming the polls in a week look largely like they do right now, with Trump in a commanding lead, what exactly does that say about the policy record of the last 4 years and the quality of your candidates?
Question for my friends on the left
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Friends on the left? No thanks. Stop playing nice. That’s over. That’s what got us in this position. Republicans always going along with Democrats to keep peace
Definitely awful time. For different reasons. Not because of Trump. Trump is the first president in decades who is there for the right reasons. Anyone thinking otherwise is brainwashed. Sounds like you are one of them.
Folks, just go vote. Make a donation to the Trump campaign if you can, but also make sure all of your Family and friends are registered to vote. Do your part. They can't stop us from voting for Trump. They can indict him, impeach him, they can convict him, even incarcerate him...but they can't stop YOU from voting for him!
I mean I voted for the dude. He lost and threw a baby fit and told the DOJ to claim the election was fraudulent and leave the rest to him. The DOJ which the week before said there was no basis for fraud claims. Told the Georgia gov to find him votes. Told Pence to not certify the election. Had fake electors ready to jump.
I know he's your boy and I'm sure your news only focuses on Jan 6 and how "peaceful" it was, but give me a break. Just admit you like him and are OK with him breaking the law, otherwise take a brainwashed look in the mirror.
None of what you said is true. Just brainwashed regurgitation msm fed you. Thanks for confirming my original assessment of your post
Yep. It’s quite sad to see the American people so dependent on msm for information. No desire to research the information or even learn basic civics, US Government, history, or even our constitution. Gunny, maybe as a nation, we deserve this. People became too lazy and took our freedoms for granted.
LMFAO you're deff one of those people who doesn't even watch Foxnews anymore because they've "gone left". Keep out the hope man, I hear they're going to arrest Hillary any day now.
Here's some links for you to ignore. Testimony from DOJ officials, Audio from Trump/GA Gov/Pence interview.
Hearing: Trump told Justice Dept. to call election ‘corrupt’
Georgia official: Trump call to ‘find’ votes was a threat
What Trump Asked of Pence
My favorite part of this one...
In an interview hours after former President Donald Trump was indicted for an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election, one of his attorneys said that all Trump had ultimately asked his vice president to do was “simply pause” the Electoral College count at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
On Fox News the following night, Aug. 2, former Vice President Mike Pence called that claim “completely false.” Pence said Trump and his “gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him “to literally reject votes.”
“I think it’s important that the American people know what happened in the days before January 6,” Pence said. “President Trump demanded that I use my authority as vice president presiding over the count of the Electoral College to essentially overturn the election by returning or literally rejecting votes. I had no authority to do that.”
For those who might doubt him, Pence urged them to “read the indictment.”
lol you came on here to pose as a Republican and conservative and I outed you on your first post! Now everyone knows your real stance. You can now join moetard and BamaTard lmao!
He knows exactly what he is doing and that's attempting to get Biden elected by division. Me I don't need to agree with all Republicans, Indendents, and Libertarians to understand the New Democrat Party has declared war on over half the country and Trump is the best chance right now to slow that down.
Being anti-Trump doesn't mean I'm on the left man, don't get how you people never seem to grasp this easy fact. Millions of people out there just like me who are called libs by your type and conservative by the other. It's weird. Someone tries to overthrow an election and I'm the closet lib for thinking that's someone I wouldn't want to be in power again. OK.
I challenge you to quote or post anything that supports what you said here. Trump never directed the DOJ to declare the election "fraudulent". He did suspect allegations of fraud and he said those needed to be investigated. That's what he was calling for to assure Joe Biden's "record votes" were all legitimate.
They were not, nor were all the allegations of fraud ever fully investigated. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to make up your own set of facts.
So kindly post for us the FACTS backing up what you claim. If you can't or don't respond, then we'll assume you're the one who needs to "take a brainwashed look in the mirror".
I challenge you to quote or post anything that supports what you said here. Trump never directed the DOJ to declare the election "fraudulent". He did suspect allegations of fraud and he said those needed to be investigated. That's what he was calling for to assure Joe Biden's "record votes" were all legitimate.
They were not, nor were all the allegations of fraud ever fully investigated. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to make up your own set of facts.
So kindly post for us the FACTS backing up what you claim. If you can't or don't respond, then we'll assume you're the one who needs to "take a brainwashed look in the mirror".
From the AP article I linked...
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In one phone conversation, according to handwritten notes taken by Donoghue and highlighted at Thursday’s hearing, Trump directed Rosen to “Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen.”
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Please spend less time on font style and more on reading
I 100% agree. I don’t need anyone’s approval. I don’t need msnbc, cnn, or even FoxNews. Only 2 types of people today believe this nonsense they’re doing to Trump and those are either 1.) stupid people or 2.) purposely ignorant
Most people on here have read Rules for Radicals. You're going to need alot more training in Communist Propaganda before they buy any of your nonsense.
“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
You dorks make me want to start campaigning for the worm
The AP article you quoted is not corroborated nor have those statements ever been cross referenced for accuracy. It's all hearsay, anonymously sourced, and allegations of statements that have not been verified.
This is what the media does...they quote someone who makes an allegation and the allegation stands as sourced material. That's why Trump calls them "fake news" and you're their latest mind controlled example.
@302eer
(FROM YOUR QUOTED ARTICLE)
Rosen, [sic] said that for a roughly two-week period after taking the job, he either met with or was called by Trump virtually every day. The common theme, he said, was “dissatisfaction that the Justice Department, in his view, had not done enough to investigate election fraud.”
That doesn't sound like Trump
Trump presented the department with an “arsenal of allegations,” none of them true, said Richard Donoghue, another top official who testified Thursday
Question: How many of the allegations were actually investigated and found to be untrue? Trump was complaining that not enough had been investigated, not that "none of them were true"!
(also from your linked article)
"Trump prodded the department at various points to seize voting machines, to appoint a special counsel to probe fraud claims...the department did none of those things."
Sounds to me like Trump was asking for a full investigation? What's it sound like to you? Oh I forgot, you already said so earlier
(FROM YOUR QUOTED ARTICLE)
Rosen, [sic] said that for a roughly two-week period after taking the job, he either met with or was called by Trump virtually every day. The common theme, he said, was “dissatisfaction that the Justice Department, in his view, had not done enough to investigate election fraud.”
That doesn't sound like Trump
Also from your linked article:
Trump presented the department with an “arsenal of allegations,” none of them true, said Richard Donoghue, another top official who testified Thursday
Question: How many of the allegations were actually investigated and found to be untrue? Trump was complaining that not enough had been investigated, not that "none of them were true"!
(also from your linked article)
"Trump prodded the department at various points to seize voting machines, to appoint a special counsel to probe fraud claims...the department did none of those things."
Sounds to me like Trump was asking for a full investigation? What's it sound like to you? Oh I forgot, you already said so earlier
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When you come on here calling folks names to make your point, you sound like a bigger "dork" than those you're accusing.
You are exactly right. I don't even want to associate with this putrid scum. None of them. They are enemies of the United States, and have been for decades now!
Most on here are still Mountaineers....sad what's happened to them even if they're just a notch above Pitt fans.
Honest question. Do you believe there was fraud in the 2020 election?
Personally, I do, a significant amount of fraud done through ballot harvesting with mass mail-in ballots. Now, that can’t be proven, because the only way to prove it 100% would be to conduct a sweeping state by state canvas that the states would individually have to perform. What that looks like is an army of people going door to door to every one of the people who voted and say “excuse me, did you cast this vote?”
It’s not plausible or even possible to do that.
Another would be to use statistical analysis. That was done and it indicated significant fraud. For instance, Joe Biden losing all but a single bellwether marker from every previous election yet still winning. Extremely low probability. Another would be to acknowledge and believe Joe Biden got more votes and turnout than Barrack Obama, not just in total, but in the black community as well. Do we really believe that’s the case? Really? It’s not logical to me. Other statistical outliers, more votes coming in than registered voters in key counties. How is that possible? More mail in ballots coming in than were sent out is multiple swing states? How is that possible? Kicking out poll workers? That seems odd.
Additionally, “Zuckerbucks” which was used and deemed a factor in the election was ruled after the fact as unconstitutional in Wisconsin. You can look it up.
Judges refusing to hear cases where statistical analysis was presented as evidence of fraud, is not indicative of losing court cases as is the common narrative used.
With respect to the phone call to GA, where widespread fraud was speculated, his statement was pretty innocuous. Phrased another way “look Brad, we both know there is fraud in GA, I’m only down 9000 votes, it shouldn’t be hard to prove 9000 votes worth of fraud if you actually look into it”
Or take the case of Pence. “We know there is fraud and significant enough fraud to alter the outcome, it’s your duty to pause this vote count until this is sorted out. If I end up losing fairly, that’s fine, but by going forward, you’re facilitating effectively a coup of an otherwise duly elected president if there is indeed the fraud we believe.”
Trump isn’t as articulate as I am, but in order to get to the point where the media has tried to portray, you have to accept their narrative for intent and motive. I don’t accept their narrative. Especially during the same time as peaceful protests, masks work, social distancing, and safe and effective vaccines.
And again, can you definitively say there was zero fraud in the 2020 election? That’s a giant leap to me. Was it enough to affect the results? Maybe, maybe not. Who can say? Without the canvas, no one can say definitively. And as already stated, that’s not practical or plausible. So, it requires faith in the process. Unfortunately, I long ago lost faith in the process. I live in a city where corruption runs so rampant, they don’t even hide it and they think it’s normal.
I’m a pretty normal dude. I can’t stand Trump, but his policies proved effective. By any measure or metric, he’s better than the current guy. What they’re blatantly doing with this lawfare is an insult to my intelligence. I was entertaining voting 3rd party or write in until this ********. I’m not galvanized for Trump as is almost everyone I know. This trial did nothing but harden the resolve of truly believing the current power structure of elites needs overhauled.
If I was Trump, I’d commit to aiding in facilitation of a Convention of States. Completely disrupt the narrative and terrify the **** out of DC. That alone would end any narrative of “dictator” and realistically allow an overhaul of many factors plaguing our system today.
But back to point, it’s already reported they blew the roof off of the donations in the last 24 hours. This is all backfiring on the elites and uniparty. Why? Because they don’t really understand the people and have lost touch. It’s becoming more and more obvious every day to more and more people and that’s having an effect, I’ll end with how I started. It should be telling on how bad the left and its policies are viewed when a convicted felon (for now) is wildly more popular than the left’s candidates and policies. You’d think that would be a wake up.
That was a great post. Very articulate and very informative. Great analysis. Great presentation. Overall A+. You nailed it.
I do think there’s always some kind of fraud, the country is simply too large and too many people involved not to. Do I think however there was enough to swing an election? I don’t. How could anything be kept quiet?
Bill Barr who up until that moment was Trumps right hand man stated there was no widespread fraud. Could he have read the writing on the wall? Maybe, but I’m unsure. Sidney Powell the kraken lawyer in her testimony in court said that “no reasonable person” should have believed her claims of fraud because they had no merit. Arizona I think is on their 17th recount or something.
As a good American I’m open to challenging authority and looking for more angles. I think the peaceful transfer of power is one of the best things the founding fathers got right, and even if Trump thought he was wronged despite his level headed officials and others telling him differently, throwing everything into chaos and making his entire base lose faith in the system even more just wasn’t best for the country. You can say that the faith was lost already, and I couldn’t disagree.
What’s going on right now I’m also with you is stupid. Of all the cases against Trump going now this was the dumbest of them and I hate that it was the forefront. I think everyone wants to be the one to “take him down” while the focus should have been the election case. As you said it’s energized the base beyond belief and anything that comes from that is directly their own fault, but democrats are always great at thinking they know what’s best- despite it being asinine.
"I think everyone wants to be the one to “take him down”
Not everyone wants to take him down. He just won the Republican Nomination because alot of people voted for him. It's Biden's team and Marxist Anti-American Turds that are interfering with the election. Because of that there's no civil conversation to be had anymore. A line has been crossed. Anyone who doesn't understand that can **** off.
People should be pissed off. Just don't fall for any bait that allows Biden to declare Martial Law leading up to the election.
I'll second everything you said about that outstanding post. It was masterfully written and eloquently stated. 100% spot on.
If I were a betting man I'd say we'll be at war with Russia by end of summer and if "they" perceive that that still isn't enough to keep Biden in office then they'll manufacture a reason to declare Martial Law. I said in 2021 that if we didn't fix the coup in court then that we'd have to shoot our way out of it eventually. I still stand by that.
I can easily see what you're suggesting however if they go that far (declaring Martial Law and/or canceling the election because of it) there will be a "real" insurrection!
Possibly. Then again, eventually we're gonna have to quit saying "next time" and actually follow thru.
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