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They better hope he is strong enough to win this War and convince Hamas and Hezbollah to surrender. If not several more October 7's will happen again and again. You don't have to like him or his politics to understand what happens if he doesn't succeed. There's not an academic solution in this. Fight war. Win war. If not you will see real genocide. Only idiot's that think the Holocaust was made up don't understand what's going on here and now you get to add the far left socialist supporting Jihadist. It's really fvcking insane when you look at the big picture.
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I'm asking more about his corruption case and if the people of his country want now/wanted him before Oct as their leader. How long has he been in charge? Are the people in the country happy with the trajectory of their country? Or is this just the standard case of "we know better than the people we rule over"?
What is up with the corruption cases at this point? Stand still? What if he is convicted while this fighting is still on going?
 
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what is the right wing arguments in support of Bibi when you have protests like this?
Again, these are all left leaning from what I can tell, which is telling. Who is the right leaning media? are they covering the rallies? What do they have to say about his corruption cases? Is Bibi the Israeli Trump that has been in power on and off since the 90s?
 
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cam_blev said:
Totally correct on the infighting!
Does the right see BiBi as the strongman in Israel? Was he on the verge of being removed before the October attacks? Did his corruption case ever come to an end?

Edit: I would be very interested to read info on this from every side but unfamiliar with the leanings of foreign media other than Aljazeera. Who would be the "right wing" or at least the side in favor of Bibi?
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I’d consider myself on the right, certainly not far right as I’m fairly moderate on many social issues.

I don’t see BiBi as a strong man. I see him as having been opposed to the 2 State Solution. I am actually in favor of it. He just happened to be the guy in charge when this happened. It’d been in the works for years, probably since the last time BiBi was in office or before.

I see BiBi now as running a military campaign the way you run a military campaign, with a defined criteria for winning. He defined it before they went into Gaza. It’s to get every hostage back and eliminate Hamas. They are well on their way to achieving that.

For all the pearl clutching, I guess people just don’t understand MOUT and the horrific collateral damage as a result. Falluja, Ramadi, Mosul, etc. We straight fvcked those places up. The civilian death toll dwarfed what’s being seen in Gaza. Thats why this whole genocide narrative is laughable to me.

If it was genocide, Gaza would look a hell of a lot worse than it currently does.
 
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cam_blev said:
I'm asking more about his corruption case and if the people of his country want now/wanted him before Oct as their leader. How long has he been in charge? Are the people in the country happy with the trajectory of their country? Or is this just the standard case of "we know better than the people we rule over"?
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Corruption case. That's funny. The far left in Isarel is playing political games to remove him from office so they can regain power. I would recommend they give it a rest before they get wiped off the face off the earth.

What you are asking is like asking if Jews that helped Hitler so they could survive if they made the right decision. I would go with no.
 
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cam_blev said:
what is the right wing arguments in support of Bibi when you have protests like this?
Again, these are all left leaning from what I can tell, which is telling. Who is the right leaning media? are they covering the rallies? What do they have to say about his corruption cases? Is Bibi the Israeli Trump that has been in power on and off since the 90s?
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The "far right" as you define far right doesn't support Bibi or Isarel. They are supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran in destroying the Jewish people. This is why some can't be trusted with the label maker.
 
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The "far right" as you define far right doesn't support Bibi or Isarel. They are supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran in destroying the Jewish people. This is why some can't be trusted with the label maker.
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I never said far right. I am just looking for the supporters of Bibi. All I know about him is that he has been trying to get US to fight a war against Iran for him for a majority of my life and that according to him they've been 2 years away from nukes for 25 years now.
 
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I’d consider myself on the right, certainly not far right as I’m fairly moderate on many social issues.

I don’t see BiBi as a strong man. I see him as having been opposed to the 2 State Solution. I am actually in favor of it. He just happened to be the guy in charge when this happened. It’d been in the works for years, probably since the last time BiBi was in office or before.

I see BiBi now as running a military campaign the way you run a military campaign, with a defined criteria for winning. He defined it before they went into Gaza. It’s to get every hostage back and eliminate Hamas. They are well on their way to achieving that.

For all the pearl clutching, I guess people just don’t understand MOUT and the horrific collateral damage as a result. Falluja, Ramadi, Mosul, etc. We straight fvcked those places up. The civilian death toll dwarfed what’s being seen in Gaza. Thats why this whole genocide narrative is laughable to me.

If it was genocide, Gaza would look a hell of a lot worse than it currently does.
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Isarel is taking great steps to minimize civilian casualties. That puts their troops in great risk. Personally I wouldn't gave Hamas that tactical advantage putting my people in danger. The Palestinians could rise up against Hamas. Hamas could surrender and release all hostages. Neither hss happened. Until it does I don't feel sorry for them.
 
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cam_blev said:
I never said far right. I am just looking for the supporters of Bibi. All I know about him is that he has been trying to get US to fight a war against Iran for him for a majority of my life and that according to him they've been 2 years away from nukes for 25 years now.
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Lol. Isarel can more than handle Iran if we allowed them to. It wouldnt be a ground war and they wouldn't be trying to win hearts and minds. Also during the majority of your life Iran has wanted to destroy America. That's why they are in bed with the CCP. These people do not want to be your friend because you throw some support their way. You might want to read about the Great Purge in Russia. Because that's what's coming if they ever gain power.
 
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Lol. Isarel can more than handle Iran if we allowed them to. It wouldnt be a ground war and they wouldn't be trying to win hearts and minds. Also during the majority of your life Iran has wanted to destroy America. That's why they are in bed with the CCP. These people do not want to be your friend because you throw some support their way.
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🤔 I'm not throwing any support to Iran or Palestine or the CCP. Believe it or not we don't have to pick a side in every fight, even though we usually just fund the fighting on both sides.

Israel can handle Iran with or without our foreign aid? We have been giving them billions of dollars for decades, 2.5-3B every year since 2020 according to here: https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/ . They were the leading recipients of foreign aid from the US for a long time if I'm not mistaken. I do not believe that Israel exists without that support.

It's just really weird that the same people understood sending money to Ukraine to fight Russia was bad economics and cry "Murica first" but don't see the same with the financial support for Israel that has been not just for a couple years but for decades.

Added: Why do they want to destroy America but side with CCP when China has Uyghurs Muslims in concentration camps?
 
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🤔 I'm not throwing any support to Iran or Palestine or the CCP. Believe it or not we don't have to pick a side in every fight, even though we usually just fund the fighting on both sides.

Israel can handle Iran with or without our foreign aid? We have been giving them billions of dollars for decades, 2.5-3B every year since 2020 according to here: https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/israel/ . They were the leading recipients of foreign aid from the US for a long time if I'm not mistaken. I do not believe that Israel exists without that support.

It's just really weird that the same people understood sending money to Ukraine to fight Russia was bad economics and cry "Murica first" but don't see the same with the financial support for Israel that has been not just for a couple years but for decades.

Added: Why do they want to destroy America but side with CCP when China has Uyghurs Muslims in concentration camps?
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First Ukraine was never defeating Russia and there was always a peace deal to be had. This administration owns the carnage that has played out there.

Second you continue to miss the big picture on the middle east so I will say it again slowly. They want to destroy the United States and Isarel and put your heads on a pike. No academic discussion is going to change their ideology. Grow the **** and understand you can't reason with these people. Biden and his clown administration is attempting to fund both sides for votes. So you can point the finger at their incompetence. He could end it tomorrow if he quit worrying about pissing off voters on the far left.

When they march down the streets of America chanting Death to America. You should believe them.
 
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I never said far right. I am just looking for the supporters of Bibi. All I know about him is that he has been trying to get US to fight a war against Iran for him for a majority of my life and that according to him they've been 2 years away from nukes for 25 years now.
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I'm a supporter of Bibi. He is trying to keep his country from being "wiped off the face of the earth " as Iran and other have said that's what they want to do to Israel. You are NOT aware of their many statement of their intent?
Obviously you know very little of Bibi...He would have attacked Iran many times in the past...the only thing that stopped him was the United States...just like Biden is stopping him now.
Do yourself a favor and research this subject before you make any more false statements.
 
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I would recommend for you all to leave the New Democrat Party. They are controlled by people who hate you. They view you as useful idiots.




A left-wing New York rabbi from the reform movement, a major Jewish denomination that breaks from traditional orthodoxy, is speaking out against what he views as the Democratic Party's perceived increasing tolerance of antisemitism.

Left-wing rabbi warns Biden, Democrats not to count on Jewish votes from the pulpit​

'Even if I am the last liberal in America, I will stand alone and warn of the pending disaster,' the rabbi said at the NYC pulpit​

 
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I’m providing you context of why your position is nonsensical.

At the end of the day, BiBi is going to play this out to conclusion. Nothing is going to change that unless the Palestinians and Hamas fully capitulate and return the remaining hostages. Hamas and the IRGC will take a crushing defeat. In turn, they’ll continue to allow civilians to suffer prolonging it as long as possible in order to garner ammo for their propaganda war. The Marxists will lament the poor plight of the oppressed Palestinians and condemn the evil Israeli oppressors. The left will decry the right wing in Israel and again, utilize the suffering of the Palestinians to try and regain power in the Knesset. The rest of the Arab world will do nothing to try and help the Palestinians because they don’t really care about them either. Good luck on your quest for change though, careful not to lose your voice yelling at the sky.
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You are providing the most right side ever. To this, we can agree on.
 
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atlkvb said:
Zero credibility with you my friend...
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4 now?
 
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For all the posturing and self righteous pontification you post on here you cannot answer one simple question which effectively slices right through your Left wing anti-Israeli rhetoric.

Between the two sides in this dispute, which side refuses to accept Israel's right to exist?

The two sides are the Palestinians and Israelis correct? A so called "two state solution" involves both of them recognizing each other's right to equally co-exist correct? So which side refuses to accept Israel's right to exist as an independent "second State"? Which side is sworn to other's destruction?

You will not answer that, because you know it defeats your entire argument. As I said you have zero credibility on this issue
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I said 4 damnit.
 
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Dadgumit.... you broke the streak.

You wrote "We are right..."

First time in this thread you've been correct about something.

Oh...just for irony's sake...

If you are going to make the claim one can't use certain source material to support one's answer, you probably shouldn't use that source material to support yours. Makes your argument look even more spurious and fallacious.

Just FYI.
 
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Dadgumit.... you broke the streak.

You wrote "We are right..."

First time in this thread you've been correct about something.

Oh...just for irony's sake...

If you are going to make the claim one can't use certain source material to support one's answer, you probably shouldn't use that source material to support yours. Makes your argument look even more spurious and fallacious.

Just FYI.
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What about 4 though?

I am right the majority of the time. When dealing with far right people, there are excuse after excuse.

Remember that time you said Israel wanted a two state solution? Then was totally wrong and you went all silent. I even provided easy links for you to follow. Somehow, you still believe they want a two state solution..... So yeah, you are right again. :joy:
 
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Dadgumit.... you broke the streak.

You wrote "We are right..."

First time in this thread you've been correct about something.

Oh...just for irony's sake...

If you are going to make the claim one can't use certain source material to support one's answer, you probably shouldn't use that source material to support yours. Makes your argument look even more spurious and fallacious.

Just FYI.
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Still going with 4? Was I right again?
 
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Of course I am.

I can provide you with links that show the exact opposite but from legitimate sources. What you would do is try to downgrade my sources and the game would continue.
 
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spartansstink said:
Of course I am.

I can provide you with links that show the exact opposite but from legitimate sources. What you would do is try to downgrade my sources and the game would continue.
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This vision is unacceptable to Netanyahu, who knows that his right-wing partners would topple his government if he accepted the two-state solution formula.

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Seriously, there are like a **** load of writeups, videos, Netanyahu, etc... with confirmation of no go two state solution. It's an easy google search of less than 60 seconds to find Israel's stance.

The only thing you got right is the number 4...
 
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Please provide only Tik Tok.

Twitter is only on Thursdays.
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Twitter now X is millions of people giving their opinions on subjects. Too bad if that hurts your feelings. It's no different than this board in that way. People can choose for themselves if they value those opinions. Get over it or keep crying. Either way I give zero fvcks.
 
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Twitter now X is millions of people giving their opinions on subjects. Too bad if that hurts your feelings. It's no different than this board in that way. People can choose for themselves if they value those opinions. Get over it or keep crying. Either way I give zero fvcks.
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I like Twitter X. Why are you always this confused?

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but only post Twitter on Thursday....
 
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indyrckstar said:
This vision is unacceptable to Netanyahu, who knows that his right-wing partners would topple his government if he accepted the two-state solution formula.

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Seriously, there are like a **** load of writeups, videos, Netanyahu, etc... with confirmation of no go two state solution. It's an easy google search of less than 60 seconds to find Israel's stance.

The only thing you got right is the number 4...
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Don’t say Israel doesn’t want a 2 state solution. The right wing party in Israel doesn’t. They just happen to be the majority party in the Knesset at present.

Do you think Hamas’s attack helped get Palestine closer to that objective or further?
 
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I could but unfortunately don't think you're open nor intelligent enough to give them to you. I figured in all your "research" 🤣on the matter you just simply ignored them offhand because they don't support your fallacious premise.

What about the Palestinian viewpoint? Since you care so much about them, what are their views on the matter? A two-state solution requires the approval of both sides. You do know there are two sides to every issue, right?

Unless you take an anti-semitic view and see the world only through that lens.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
Don’t say Israel doesn’t want a 2 state solution. The right wing party in Israel doesn’t. They just happen to be the majority party in the Knesset at present.

Do you think Hamas’s attack helped get Palestine closer to that objective or further?
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You make up too much stuff for the rightest agenda.

I am impress with your consistency though.
 
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I could but unfortunately don't think you're open nor intelligent enough to give them to you. I figured in all your "research" 🤣on the matter you just simply ignored them offhand because they don't support your fallacious premise.

What about the Palestinian viewpoint? Since you care so much about them, what are their views on the matter? A two-state solution requires the approval of both sides. You do know there are two sides to every issue, right?

Unless you take an anti-semitic view and see the world only through that lens.
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I really hurt you, huh? :smiley:
 
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