We're still being fed lies

rog1187

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Whoever told him to do that then was an idiot. He should've done an interview. Oh wait, he doesn't do those either.
You mean the Presidential Committee that actually run this country gave him bad advice…it’s almost like they want to make sure he’s gone for 2024…if not sooner
 

atlkvb

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Oh so it's the media's fault he can't put two coherent sentences together without fumbling all over his words? It's the media's fault he has to "walk back" damn near everything he says off script? It's the media's fault he can't own up to his own disastrous policy results?

Well, they're the one's who ignored my cheating and helped get me installed right, so why can't I blame them?

Because they had nothing to do with how creepy you actually already were creepy Joe!
 

atlkvb

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Didn't Bidenpuppet just say last week the economy was in a good place? The emperor has no clothes.
He still thinks it's the Soviet Union that invaded Ukraine, and Taiwan is actually part of China. :rolleyes:
 

NYC_Eer

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You need 2 consecutive quarters. So, we've got one and we need one more. Let me know if you have further questions.
Strict definitions are completely outdated. Recession or not, the stock market is not doing well. To say otherwise or argue over the definition of what is a bad market is a little silly.

We are in a bear market as of today...and today has been really bad, but to argue about whether or not we're in a strictly defined bear market after last week is naive at best.
 

moe

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Strict definitions are completely outdated. Recession or not, the stock market is not doing well. To say otherwise or argue over the definition of what is a bad market is a little silly.

We are in a bear market as of today...and today has been really bad, but to argue about whether or not we're in a strictly defined bear market after last week is naive at best.
I didn't say a word about the stock market. Recession is about negative GDP. Agree, the stock market is putrid. We may be in a recession but I was suggesting that he wait for the official numbers in July before declaring so.
 
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NYC_Eer

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I didn't say a word about the stock market. Recession is about negative GDP. Agree, the stock market is putrid. We may be in a recession but I was suggesting that he wait for the official numbers in July before declaring so.
I think its safe to say it w/out waiting.
 

NYC_Eer

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Kinda describes that vote YOU made to cause all of this huh?
Please. Most of this **** is caused by factors outside of anyone's control. There is zero evidence that Trump would've done any better, and one can argue a lot of this is traced back to him. This still started way before a few months ago. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
 

TarHeelEer

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Please. Most of this **** is caused by factors outside of anyone's control. There is zero evidence that Trump would've done any better, and one can argue a lot of this is traced back to him. This still started way before a few months ago. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

It's pretty simple, and it's not Trump. 35% of all USD in circulation was issued in 2020.

 

atlkvb

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Please. Most of this **** is caused by factors outside of anyone's control. There is zero evidence that Trump would've done any better, and one can argue a lot of this is traced back to him. This still started way before a few months ago. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

OK fair enough, shouldn't be too hard for you to back that up then right? So tell me (please be as honest as you are incapable of being) what Trump policies caused this?

Just answer "Yes or "no"?

in relation to the invasion/border crisis:
Would Trump have suspended construction of the border wall with Mexico?

"yes" "no"?


in relation to soaring gas prices:
Would Trump have suspended the Keystone XL pipeline?

"yes" "no"?

in relation to our exploding balance of trade deficit:
Would Trump have cancelled the tariffs on China?

"yes" "no"?

in relation to rising energy prices:
Would Trump have ended our involvement in the WTO and Paris climate accords?

"yes" "no"?

in relation to our dependence on foreign oil?
Would Trump have suspended all domestic oil leases and drilling on Federal lands?

"yes" "no"?


in relation to our stagnant economy:
Would Trump have created a whole new list of EPA rules and regulations for businesses?

"yes" "no"?

in relation to businesses leaving the US:
Would Trump have proposed dramatic increases on corporate income taxes?

"yes" "no"?

So YOU said:

There is zero evidence that Trump would've done any better, and one can argue a lot of this is traced back to him.
So it's your contention all of this started under Trump? All of this is a direct result of his bad policies?

"yes" "no"?

You can honestly answer these questions to prove your point?

Ans "NO" (all of these answers are "no", but you won't admit it)

 
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atlkvb

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There is zero evidence that Trump would've done any better, and one can argue a lot of this is traced back to him.
I'm willing to hear YOU argue what you claim here?
 
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atlkvb

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@NYC_Eer
Aw c'mon atl... you still don't understand how much I hate you asking me to back up what I post!

That @NYC_Eer.... always runnin' away from his mindless posts... just damn! :rolleyes:
 

NYC_Eer

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It's pretty simple, and it's not Trump. 35% of all USD in circulation was issued in 2020.

I’m sure that has something to do with it, but Trump issued stimulus as well. It wasn’t just Biden. So my argument remains. You can’t blame a recession on any one person. It’s due to a multitude of factors not the least of which was COVID and the supply chain disruption that is still here.
 

dave

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I’m sure that has something to do with it, but Trump issued stimulus as well. It wasn’t just Biden. So my argument remains. You can’t blame a recession on any one person. It’s due to a multitude of factors not the least of which was COVID and the supply chain disruption that is still here.
Trump didn't issue stimulus. Congress did. Trump fought hard for stimulus to go to people and small businesses. Congress pushed for much larger stimulus aimed at their pet projects

Facts matter.
 

roadtrasheer

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Trump didn't issue stimulus. Congress did. Trump fought hard for stimulus to go to people and small businesses. Congress pushed for much larger stimulus aimed at their pet projects

Facts matter.
Trump didnt want to shut the economy down.
 

atlkvb

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I’m sure that has something to do with it, but Trump issued stimulus as well. It wasn’t just Biden. So my argument remains. You can’t blame a recession on any one person. It’s due to a multitude of factors not the least of which was COVID and the supply chain disruption that is still here.
So you're arguing Trump's energy policies to drill domestically would not be making any more of a difference on our gas prices or this runaway inflation than Biden's current policies restricting domestic drilling?

Trump's border policies including building a border wall would not be making any more of a difference on the mass migrations of illegals attempting to enter the country since Biden suspended construction on the wall an opened the border?

Trump's low tax and less restrictive regulatory policies on businesses would not be making any more of a difference for their bottom lines than Biden's policies of higher taxes and increased regulations are effecting them now?

So if that's your argument, explain why all of those things are now so much worse under Biden's policies than they were under Trump? Your argument makes no sense if you cannot.
 

atlkvb

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Trump didn't issue stimulus. Congress did. Trump fought hard for stimulus to go to people and small businesses. Congress pushed for much larger stimulus aimed at their pet projects

Facts matter.
Not to him. He never cites any to back up his arguments. He doesn't know how?
 

roadtrasheer

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So you're arguing Trump's energy policies to drill domestically would not be making any more of a difference on our gas prices or this runaway inflation than Biden's current policies restricting domestic drilling?

Trump's border policies including building a border wall would not be making any more of a difference on the mass migrations of illegals attempting to enter the country since Biden suspended construction on the wall an opened the border?

Trump's low tax and less restrictive regulatory policies on businesses would not be making any more of a difference for their bottom lines than Biden's policies of higher taxes and increased regulations are effecting them now?

So if that's your argument, explain why all of those things are now so much worse under Biden's policies than they were under Trump? Your argument makes no sense if you cannot.
All prices reflect the price of energy ....pretty simple really, if it cost more to grow corn, will cost more to buy corn ...Democrats have destroyed our economy with their energy policies. Now handing out money to criminals, illegals, paying for college & all the other socialists policies will never help
 

atlkvb

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All prices reflect the price of energy ....pretty simple really, if it cost more to grow corn, will cost more to buy corn ...Democrats have destroyed our economy with their energy policies. Now handing out money to criminals, illegals, paying for college & all the other socialists policies will never help
@NYC_Eer is arguing Trump would be doing no better because there are so many factors beyond Biden's control. However the Left blamed Trump for Covid which wasn't under his control, and even through the worst of the plandemic, none of these numbers were as bad as they are now (ie gas prices, inflation, border crisis)

So what's changed? Biden's policies! Plus he's not dealing with a raging pandemic or a voluntary economic shutdown! His argument makes no sense, so much so not even he can defend or explain it.
 

roadtrasheer

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@NYC_Eer is arguing Trump would be doing no better because there are so many factors beyond Biden's control. However the Left blamed Trump for Covid which wasn't under his control, and even through the worst of the plandemic, none of these numbers were as bad as they are now (ie gas prices, inflation, border crisis)

So what's changed? Biden's policies! Plus he's not dealing with a raging pandemic or a voluntary economic shutdown! His argument makes no sense, so much so not even he can defend or explain it.
Cheap energy would help fix the inflation. I can agree with him that inflation is caused by some things out of the president's hands .the U.S depending on so many other countries is our grandfathers fault. Us depending on a communist country for anything is wrong & is biting us in the ***. This president's socialist agenda is causing many problems as every socialist agendas in the past has (Venezuela) . No matter the high cost of energy is the major problem. Fix that and everything else will fix itself
 

atlkvb

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Cheap energy would help fix the inflation. I can agree with him that inflation is caused by some things out of the president's hands .the U.S depending on so many other countries is our grandfathers fault. Us depending on a communist country for anything is wrong & is biting us in the ***. This president's socialist agenda is causing many problems as every socialist agendas in the past has (Venezuela) . No matter the high cost of energy is the major problem. Fix that and everything else will fix itself

Agreed. But gas prices didn't start this steep climb until Biden was installed and cut off so much of our domestic sources for oil! Just as you said, if we went back to supplying the majority of our own oil, these prices wouldn't have increased as much as they have since creepy Joe was set up in office. That is unarguable.
 

dave

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Agreed. But gas prices didn't start this steep climb until Biden was installed and cut off so much of our domestic sources for oil! Just as you said, if we went back to supplying the majority of our own oil, these prices wouldn't have increased as much as they have since creepy Joe was set up in office. That is unarguable.
The biggest issue here is not gas prices under Biden. The issue being missed here is that Biden has pushed Russia into war against Ukraine and our proxy forces. Russian energy to European countries is more expensive now and the option to buy from America is not there like it should have been. If we were drilling for NG and oil like we should be we could sell LNG to Europe and a lot of international fuel issues would not be so bad now. The effect this would have on global fuel would lower prices here.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The biggest issue here is not gas prices under Biden. The issue being missed here is that Biden has pushed Russia into war against Ukraine and our proxy forces. Russian energy to European countries is more expensive now and the option to buy from America is not there like it should have been. If we were drilling for NG and oil like we should be we could sell LNG to Europe and a lot of international fuel issues would not be so bad now. The effect this would have on global fuel would lower prices here.
Correct, which is why I laugh when I hear people say the inflation and energy prices aren’t the fault of Biden.
 

atlkvb

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@NYC_Eer doesn't think Trump would be making much of a difference in any of this, but he can't explain why?
 

dave

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@NYC_Eer doesn't think Trump would be making much of a difference in any of this, but he can't explain why?
He doesn't care. To him orange man is bad and it all starts and ends there.

Just your typical simple minded fool.