When does the proxy war with Russia turn into a direct war?

TarHeelEer

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We've now admitted to giving intel to take out generals, and now that we're actively cyber-attacking Russia. All proudly admitted, so that the only goal of such could be further escalation.

When does Biden want direct war with Russia? Before or after the midterms?

 

SoCo

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Bullsh!t. But you "trust" this news you are posting? Suck Putin some more.
I don't know whether the US provided intel to Ukraine used to kill Russian officers or not. Neither do any of us because you can't believe **** the media tells us.

That said, the US is definitely providing some form of aid to Ukraine. That is asking to be involved in a war with Russia and just f'n dumb.
 

TarHeelEer

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Big difference between "fake" and not having enough evidence to prove it. But, keeping siding with your Russian lover. F**k Putin, F**k Russia, F**k China, F**k the Taliban.

low to moderate confidence doesn't mean not having enough information to prove it.

Low confidence means the analysis was based on questionable or implausible information — or information too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid inferences

Moderate confidence means the information is plausible and credibly sourced, but not quite corroborated enough to merit a higher rating.

It didn't meet the moderate threshold enough to stand on its own. It has some basis on questionable or implausible information.

 

MountaineerWV

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I don't know whether the US provided intel to Ukraine used to kill Russian officers or not. Neither do any of us because you can't believe **** the media tells us.

That said, the US is definitely providing some form of aid to Ukraine. That is asking to be involved in a war with Russia and just f'n dumb.
Nation's shouldn't turn a blind eye to what is going on with Ukraine-Russia. Imagine if some nations stepped in when Hitler gobbled up Austria and Czechoslovakia what could have been different.
 

MountaineerWV

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low to moderate confidence doesn't mean not having enough information to prove it.

Low confidence means the analysis was based on questionable or implausible information — or information too fragmented or poorly corroborated to make solid inferences

Moderate confidence means the information is plausible and credibly sourced, but not quite corroborated enough to merit a higher rating.

It didn't meet the moderate threshold enough to stand on its own. It has some basis on questionable or implausible information.

What was the confidence of the intel August 2001 about impending attack on America?
 

ThePunish-EER

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Nation's shouldn't turn a blind eye to what is going on with Ukraine-Russia. Imagine if some nations stepped in when Hitler gobbled up Austria and Czechoslovakia what could have been different.
It’s questionable who the “bad guys” are in that conflict. Maybe you forgot the quid pro quo admission on video with Ukraine? Our best bet would be to stay out of it. The question should be, why is it any of our business?
 

Gunny46

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Nation's shouldn't turn a blind eye to what is going on with Ukraine-Russia. Imagine if some nations stepped in when Hitler gobbled up Austria and Czechoslovakia what could have been different.

There's no serious work being done to end this. You can feel bad for the Ukrainian civilians and understand their Government is corrupt as hell. We will get no return on investment. Europe needs to get their **** together and resolve the issues in their own backyard. Putin isn't our ally and he isn't cleaning anything up that benefits us. Both Governments are corrupt. One is using us and the other is laughing we are wasting our resources.
 

moe

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We've now admitted to giving intel to take out generals, and now that we're actively cyber-attacking Russia. All proudly admitted, so that the only goal of such could be further escalation.

When does Biden want direct war with Russia? Before or after the midterms?


Thank you military strategist. We're in it for Ukraine to win it. With Ukraine holding its own and then some, I wouldn't think Russia would be clamoring for new opponents despite their bluster. It would be us and NATO of course if they got ambitious. They pledged mutual love to China before the winter Olympics but I don't think that China is thrilled with the war their new partner started and probably aren't too interested in teaming up with Russia to take on the U.S. and NATO. I say keep the pressure on Russia but the west can't deliver too much of a curbstomping. I'd like to see Russia pushed all the way out of Ukraine though they'd probably still keep Crimea.
 

Gunny46

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Thank you military strategist. We're in it for Ukraine to win it. With Ukraine holding its own and then some, I wouldn't think Russia would be clamoring for new opponents despite their bluster. It would be us and NATO of course if they got ambitious. They pledged mutual love to China before the winter Olympics but I don't think that China is thrilled with the war their new partner started and probably aren't too interested in teaming up with Russia to take on the U.S. and NATO. I say keep the pressure on Russia but the west can't deliver too much of a curbstomping. I'd like to see Russia pushed all the way out of Ukraine though they'd probably still keep Crimea.

Russia could turn the heat up anytime they want. It may not be going the way they hoped but you really don't know what the real objectives were. However if you want to keep listening to so called experts who are finianclly benefiting on it dragging out then have at it.
 

ThePunish-EER

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Russia could turn the heat up anytime they want. It may not be going the way they hoped but you really don't know what the real objectives were. However if you want to keep listening to so called experts who are finianclly benefiting on it dragging out then have at it.
Exactly. Truth is, Russia is meeting their objectives. Msm can lie all they want and truthfully I could care less what they think or hope will happen.
 

TarHeelEer

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With Ukraine holding its own and then some

But they're not. They're losing ground each day. They're putting up a good fight, but they're not winning at current. They are draining Russia's resources, but they're draining ours, too.
 

moe

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But they're not. They're losing ground each day. They're putting up a good fight, but they're not winning at current. They are draining Russia's resources, but they're draining ours, too.
To recap, Russia started with a broad offensive, tried to take and hold many cities outside of the Donbass/eastern region but they got pushed back to where Russia is now just trying to take and hold the eastern region where they have occupied for years. Imo the big battle is now for the eastern region. I see where Russia has made some gains but not sure Russia is up for the long fight it will take to hold it. Agree on the last, we're a big checkbook and resource provider. Expensive war.
 

ThePunish-EER

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To recap, Russia started with a broad offensive, tried to take and hold many cities outside of the Donbass/eastern region but they got pushed back to where Russia is now just trying to take and hold the eastern region where they have occupied for years. Imo the big battle is now for the eastern region. I see where Russia has made some gains but not sure Russia is up for the long fight it will take to hold it. Agree on the last, we're a big checkbook and resource provider. Expensive war.
It’s hilarious reading your posts. I picture a slobbering fatass pecking on a keyboard one digit at a time. All the while screaming from the basement for his mom to bring him another drink and another bad of Cheetos.
 

SoCo

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Nation's shouldn't turn a blind eye to what is going on with Ukraine-Russia. Imagine if some nations stepped in when Hitler gobbled up Austria and Czechoslovakia what could have been different.
Comparing the Nazis to the Russians is absurd. This is a boundary war with another former soviet state and nothing more. It's not worth US lives or money.

But foreign aid is just such a cash cow for our politicians in Washington.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Comparing the Nazis to the Russians is absurd. This is a boundary war with another former soviet state and nothing more. It's not worth US lives or money.

But foreign aid is just such a cash cow for our politicians in Washington.
Not just our politicians, this is actually helping the defense industry in the wake of the AFG withdrawal. It’s also helping us prepare and mature tech we allowed to stagnates due to our past adversaries. There is a huge push for near-peer tech and we weren’t ready.
 

MountaineerWV

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Comparing the Nazis to the Russians is absurd. This is a boundary war with another former soviet state and nothing more. It's not worth US lives or money.

But foreign aid is just such a cash cow for our politicians in Washington.
You do realize that the beginning of WWII was also a "boundary" war, right? Ever hear of "lebensraum"?
 

ThePunish-EER

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You do realize that the beginning of WWII was also a "boundary" war, right? Ever hear of "lebensraum"?
Depending on the narrative, you might also believe Russia is liberating the Ukraine. And you also might be right. Point is, we need to stfu and let them decide between the 2 countries
 

roadtrasheer

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You do realize that the beginning of WWII was also a "boundary" war, right? Ever hear of "lebensraum"?
Spent all day Monday watching ww1 & 2 documentary. Amazing what they let Hitler get by with after the ww1 treaty. That situation should prove to the world being a passive is not good.
 

MountaineerWV

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Depending on the narrative, you might also believe Russia is liberating the Ukraine. And you also might be right. Point is, we need to stfu and let them decide between the 2 countries
And Hitler wanted to "liberate" the Germans living in the Sudetenland......until he decided to storm in and take the entire country of Czechoslovakia. I guess my point for bringing up Hitler is NOT to compare Putin to Hitler or Russia to Germany, but to point out that passiveness by the United States in 1938-1939 was wrong......and we should learn from past mistakes.
 

ThePunish-EER

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And Hitler wanted to "liberate" the Germans living in the Sudetenland......until he decided to storm in and take the entire country of Czechoslovakia. I guess my point for bringing up Hitler is NOT to compare Putin to Hitler or Russia to Germany, but to point out that passiveness by the United States in 1938-1939 was wrong......and we should learn from past mistakes.
One key point, we have documented video of a quid pro quo with Biden and Ukraine. We supposedly have a hunter Biden laptop full of similar stuff. Let’s not compare Czechoslovakia to Ukraine. I’m not saying we should side with Russia. I’m saying we need to stay out of it and let those 2 decide what to do. Or better yet, Europe.
 
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MountaineerWV

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One key point, we have documented video of a pro quid pro with Biden and Ukraine. We supposedly have a hunter Biden laptop full of similar stuff. Let’s not compare Czechoslovakia to Ukraine. I’m not saying we should side with Russia. I’m saying we need to stay out of it and let those 2 decide what to do. Or better yet, Europe.
And that is the same mentality that got us in WWII. Guess we shall see.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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And Hitler wanted to "liberate" the Germans living in the Sudetenland......until he decided to storm in and take the entire country of Czechoslovakia. I guess my point for bringing up Hitler is NOT to compare Putin to Hitler or Russia to Germany, but to point out that passiveness by the United States in 1938-1939 was wrong......and we should learn from past mistakes.
There is an entire nation of Ukraine able to fight for their freedom, and an entire continent of Europe to help them. We have zero dog in this fight other than to bleed Russia and mature our technology in prep for a war with China.
 

SoCo

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Not just our politicians, this is actually helping the defense industry in the wake of the AFG withdrawal. It’s also helping us prepare and mature tech we allowed to stagnates due to our past adversaries. There is a huge push for near-peer tech and we weren’t ready.
Near-peer tech?
 

dave

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To recap, Russia started with a broad offensive, tried to take and hold many cities outside of the Donbass/eastern region but they got pushed back to where Russia is now just trying to take and hold the eastern region where they have occupied for years. Imo the big battle is now for the eastern region. I see where Russia has made some gains but not sure Russia is up for the long fight it will take to hold it. Agree on the last, we're a big checkbook and resource provider. Expensive war.
Russia controls every eastern city already.
 

dave

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Thanks. It really is amazing how computer nerds are just as important militarily as the ***-kickers on the ground now.
War by video games in some ways. Drone pilots for instance.
 

atlkvb

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Big difference between "fake" and not having enough evidence to prove it. But, keeping siding with your Russian lover. F**k Putin, F**k Russia, F**k China, F**k the Taliban.

They're all on the radical anti-American Left. Can we include anti-America hating Democrat Leftists in that Cabal?
 

ThePunish-EER

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Russia controls every eastern city already.
Yeah msm is desperately forcing a false narrative of Russian soldiers going awol. Russia is losing. Russian citizens demanding the war end. Putin is sick/ill. Putin is losing control. On and on and on. I despise our msm. It’s a disgrace. And that isn’t because I’m pro Russia. I’m pro unbiased reporting. And we aren’t getting that. We are getting democrat propaganda. Period.