Fair enough, but we are definitely worse off now, than we were under the previous administration.
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Fair enough, but we are definitely worse off now, than we were under the previous administration.
I am by no means a big Trump fan, (which I think I've said before) but (and I'm trying to be nice in how I say this) I don't know how you can look at the two Presidential candidates in the last election and say that Trump isn't the better choice.
His policies are still better than Biden’s. If you can not admit that after the past year then you're simply being dishonest.
Poor fool. Trump made your ****** bleed because you believe the media. Dumb as dumb can be.
I don't want to get too deep in the weeds with you on this but we most certainly have a fundamental disagreement over what qualifies as "success". Philosophically, I'm opposed to the Keynesian approach of stimulating economic growth through massive infusions of government deficit spending. I opposed it under Trump (he caught Hell from the Left for doing it too) and I most certainly oppose it on steroids under this administration!
That being said which is really for another discussion let's just examine your main points and see how we're better off? I'm linking to a Newsweek article published earlier this year assessing Biden's policies specifically on those issues you mentioned. I could link to some Conservative analysis, but you'd probably dismiss those as just right wing propaganda. Newsweek is no right wing rag, and while I don't necessarily think they are always factual or unbiased, in this case their analysis will serve the purpose of our discussion for comparison's sake.
On his economic stimulus, handling the Covid pandemic, & immigration, Newsweek views his policies overall as failures. A few excerpts:
- President Biden's flagship Build Back Better Act has failed to get passed in law, despite his commitment to pass the bill by Christmas.
- Omicron has stalled Biden's initial progress on the COVID front. The administration's lack of preparation for new variants was reflected in the sharp surge in cases nationwide
- Additionally, Biden recently saw the Supreme Court block Biden's vaccine mandate for businesses, which intended to enforce vaccine-or-test requirements for large private companies.
- Criticism was also leveled at the CDC for its guidance recommending mask use in schools for children over the age of two. Scientists raised concerns over the method's effectiveness, while fellow international bodies offered contrasting advice to the CDC
- On the one hand, the Biden administration approved a hefty $1.9 trillion COVID relief package and passed a $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure law
- On the other hand, national inflation rose to a record 6.8 percent, the highest level in 40 years. This has consistently driven up the prices of basic goods and services such as gas, food and housing
- Rising inflation was also compounded with supply chain shortages and delays, further aggravating the issue for consumers.
- the issue of migration and the administration's mismanagement at the US-Mexico border has become a constant headache.
- Title 42 has been heavily criticized for using the pandemic to enable veiled human rights violations and pre-emptively remove migrants found at the border.
- In the opening 10 months of Biden's presidency, over 7,647 cases of rape, torture, murder, kidnapping and violent assault towards asylum-seekers at the border have been recorded.
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@OregonMountie ...again...I'm trying to give you as "unbiased" analysis as I can find (neither hard Left nor hard Right) just the facts.
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- The botched-up withdrawal from Afghanistan was Biden’s biggest failure.
- the handling of the migrant crisis at the Southern Border was another failure.
- Biden’s energy policy, where he has pivoted towards green energy and tightened the norms on fossil fuels, has been a failure at least in the short term
- The U.S. inflation rate is running at multi-year highs under Biden
- On the social front, Biden has failed to unite the country as he vowed.
- there have been more deaths due to the COVID-19 pandemic than there were under Trump.
- 2022 will be a tough year for Biden. The U.S. faces slowing economic growth and possibly a flurry of rate hikes from the Federal Reserve
- On the geopolitical front, Biden faces an assertive Russia and China. Balancing the domestic and international situation won't be an easy task for the president
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@OregonMountie ...no less than CNN also agrees on Biden's overall ineptitude.
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a collection of voters and local officials, even those supportive of Biden, sick and tired of ongoing crises being mismanaged week to week. While people like Biden generally, in a “nice guy” kind of way, they think he’s weak and stuck on touting his past accomplishments rather than actually doing something about the challenges facing the country right now.
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a collection of voters and local officials, even those supportive of Biden, sick and tired of ongoing crises being mismanaged week to week. While people like Biden generally, in a “nice guy” kind of way, they think he’s weak and stuck on touting his past accomplishments rather than actually doing something about the challenges facing the country right now.
@OregonMountie I could have linked you to plenty of other devastating analysis from my side of the aisle (Conservative views) but I wanted credibility with you so I stuck to center/Left analysis. Nowhere do any of those sources I linked you to agree with your assessment that Biden's been a success. If you still believe that, you need to explain to me why?
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You are very reasonable and respectful. So I respectfully disagree, and I don’t believe there is a reasonable way to see eye to eye on that particular subject. Others for sure, but not on that one.
The average price of gas first went over $1 a gallon in 1980, when it went from $0.86 per gallon to $1.19 per gallon.
March 10, 2022 the national average cost-per-gallon was $4.331 for regular gasoline. In just 2 short months it has gone up to $4.523.
At this rate by Christmas it will be over 5 dollars easily. If not before then.
Voted for Trump with low expectations due to his historical ties to the Democrat Party. However, by any measure, he was an exceptional President. Economic, military, national security, etc. Look how far we have fallen in a year under a completely incompetent administration.
Democrats are the ones who created the Trump Cult mentality. Real conservatives are not tied to any individual. We just want what is best for the Republic. Whoever is the next President is going to inherit a deeply damaged country and it will take incredible strength and fortitude. I will happily vote for Trump, but DeSantis is the one IMO.
DeSantis is Trump-Lite, but will be labelled by the media as Trump, part 2, to influence the election.
Or in the media terms and DNC terms "interfere" with the election
DeSantis isn't a Trump-Lite. If anything he will get more accomplished because he was in the military and understands the federal system better. His record as Governor show he will fight. They also wouldn't be able to ******** him like they did Trump numerous times. However Trump probably learned alot of what not to do next time. If he runs again he will win the nomination. So a Trump-DeSantis ticket could fix alot. 4 more years of Trump and 8 by DeSantis is what this country needs badly right now. I don't give a **** about the man's personality. We need some results and local government officials elected that don't hate our country.
This country needs anything but a leftist with a leftists administration. Unfortunately, that's all the Democrats have. There are several Republicans who need to go too.
That said, I agree with everything you said. I especially agree with your opinion and too am getting sick of people who hate our country, running it. I'm also getting sick of fellow Americans who keep backing them, all because of team politics and hatred. Divided we fall and we are falling fast.
Again, not a big fan of some of his antics, and I sure would like him to act more Presidential.
That said, I voted for him twice, and would again, unless there's somebody better. Imo, the candidates on the Left are so far Left, they're not going to produce a worthy candidate after the Right wins the next election.
Unless there's a better option, sounds like 4 years of Trump followed by 4-8 years of DeSantis. I'd vote for it.
Amen brothers.... Trump had a JFK Reagan presidency. Both would be MAGA presidents in today's world ...
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Yes I have read all of this and in fact some I listed as a failure as well. While some they list as failures I just do not see it that way, some as I see long term value as a success and several others where not successful just based on party lines. This in general needs changed as both parties paly their games instead of look at what is best for the country. But even w/ that said I commend you on your efforts and research to bad your thoughts.
- Build back better, still many good things in this bill, his mistake was making the scope too wide.
- Very hard for me to blame this on an administration, if folks are too stupid to get vaccinated then it is on them.....not a fail.
- Once again to call this a true fail of policy, still think it was the right direction to go.
- Agree the ever changing direction of the CDC made things confusing, same as under the previous administration.
- Noted as an over-all fail, but a good bit of this would have been totally out the control of any administration.....
- Agree on immigration open borders never work, best thing he originally did was keep the border shut-down over Covid concerns. Only positive thing on his immigration effort was to work to improve the root cause of why folks were streaming north.
- Crime is a concern, but this was heading sharply up over the past three years due to Covid craziness. Efforts to support police across the country have been well stated....
I gave you my thoughts, which likewise were listed as successes by Newsweek, NBC News and Business Insider
- Listed Afghanistan as a failure
- Migration agree
- His strategy on green energy is absolutely the right direction.....
- He has tried to unite the best he can, but the two parties are so poison not sure it will ever happen.
- Longer amount of time in office during Covid, this was bound to happen. but death rates and hospitalization rates are way down due to the Admin effort and strategy....overall a success.
- if economy slows it will be short-term, Fed reaction are corrective, but will not be strong enough to shut-down overall growth.
- Geopolitical challenges are going to difficult, but to this point I think the Admin has handle both Russia and China as well as can be expected.
Does it trouble you that fully 65% of the country disagrees with your analysis?
Why do you think they're missing what you've pointed out as his "successes"? Finally, do you think him describing the folks who support Trump as "ultra MAGAs" or the "most dangerous political movement in the nation's recent history" unites or divides us?
Explain.
OK. We'll just have to let the voters decide. If Biden's been as good as you claim, at least that would be reflected in his approval ratings correct? Unfortunately they're also poor commensurate with his performance results correct?
No it doesn't and I explained why, he has most definitely had his failures, but will give him the rest of his term to right the ship, as he has done other things that I whole heartily back and support....as to the political rhetoric, this is far less that what the last Admin spewed daily, as it is used mainly as a political tool. In general though, the far left and far right have both damaged the US, need to maintain a moderate center where the majority of the US population reside!!
Let me just say to you for the country's sake, I'd prefer for your analysis to be spot on. However much we may disagree over Biden's accomplishments, I think we both want what's best for America. I honestly seriously question if that's his ultimate objective, however if it is not the voters will let him and his party know in no uncertain terms.
Let me also thank you for not descending into childish name calling and for honestly standing behind the man and the policies you support.
I wonder if his disagreement with you over his preference for Trump also makes him an "Uncle Tom"?
You are welcome and it was refreshing to have an actual debate minus the keyboard happy rants some go to immediately. I think in general our believes are not too different, mainly to get our country back on the right foot and more to the center. As I noted I have been a republican my whole life and always felt they were more central than the normal democrat platform, but after the last admin I felt it went too far right and like the more central themes of the new Admin. Overall i think Joe is a decent man, or as decent a lifelong politician can be and as long as he continues to push back on the crazy far left I think we can see better days. :smiley: :fistbump:
I strenuously disagree with almost everything you've said but I respect the manner in which you've presented your arguments and that counts HUGE for me. As time goes on we'll see if your analysis proves to be correct, or if voters reverse their current 80% polling which indicates the country is moving in the wrong direction.
Time is on both of our sides. Appreciate the dialogue.
He says conservatives are an existential threat to democracy and says he will no longer work with Republicans.
He's alienated more than half the country.
Pedo-Joe is a menace. He and his team hates America.
@30CAT it's damn hard for me to judge the end results of his misguided policies and conclude anything less! Look at this Baby Formula debacle? His refusal to allow new domestic oil and natural gas leases for drilling, and his unconscionable deficit spending when we're flat broke?
I don't see how anyone who is objective and not steeped in Democrat/Media propaganda can view this administration's policies any other way?
Considering mine was a very notable movie reference, I think you try really hard and fail to deliver on slamming me. But keep swinging, little slugger, you’ll make contact one of these days.
How on earth can anyone who followed politics for the past 30 years actually think Joe is a decent man? I mean he was by far the biggest racist in the senate and that was true even when Byrd was alive.