Miss the days when

dave

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What was in this knucklehead's control?

  • The Afghanistan exit?
  • Continuing to print money and now hand it to Ukraine without tax increases, causing inflation? Manchin saved him once, I doubt he will again. Thank God I saved that 16 cents last fourth of July.
  • Claiming to want to work together but making comments about your Republican opposition every chance you get?
  • His dementia-ridden speeches?
  • Supply chain issues aren't his? Whose are they, then? Pssst, it's demand as much as it's supply, and we've handed out too much free money.
  • Or perhaps it was his handling of covid in general. Who would've thought shutting down the economy for 12+ months and doling out money would ever cause a problem? You'd have to be a super-genius.
In his world inflation exists because rich companies are raising prices to increase profits.

They think we are stupid.
 

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Can you name something that has worked? Honest question.
You know what I've noticed with you?

I could be wrong about this, but from what I've seen, you seem to take a pretty civil tone when debating these topics. Some folks go straight to name calling, including within this very thread, instead of debating / discussing the issues.

In this instance, I think it was pretty ****** for some to resort to name calling in regards to @OregonMountie. We may not all agree with each other's political preferences / ideas, but does disagreeing with him make him less of a Mountaineer? The guy is as Gold n Blue as anyone on here, if not more.

Anyway, as I said, you seem to stay away from throwing **** toward others (of course, unless, it's thrown at you), and I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates it.
 
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Although there are a few who see Biden doing no wrong, the good news is that the majority of the country realizes what a f uck up Biden and the Democrat party have been. November can't get here soon enough.

A new NBC News poll shows President Biden’s job approval rating has dipped to another low, with just 39 percent of Americans approving of the job he’s doing and 56 percent disapproving.

Americans are dinging the president on inflation, the economy and border security, as they have been for much of his presidency. Only 37 percent of Americans view Biden in a positive light, according to the poll, which shows his favorability rating hovers around the same percentage currently as former President Trump’s.
The craziest thing about those numbers is that they represent Biden with the media firmly entrenched to carry his water and he still comes across as a moron. Imagine if he had Jim Acosta types
 

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Maybe educate yourself on a global economy and you can see how things work. No not every decision has work, but a lot has…and since you went lowest denominator **** you and the red neck horse you rode in on *******.

India just banned wheat exports for food security. Covid showed those who didn't know how dependent we are on the CCP for pharmaceuticals and medical supplies. Globalism is struggling right now. I have said numerous times we need leadership to bring home everything vital to National Security. The sooner both parties stop electing sell outs the safer your loved ones will be.
 

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Don't get lost in the talking points. They set up 45 billion to spend on internet infrastructure over 10 years. Same with roads and bridges funding. That is where our tax dollars should go. Instead we are spending billions fighting proxy wars and trying to buy fuel from Russia via Ukraine to enrich our political elites.
As you know I was against the infrastructure bill, any pork is to much pork .
I could be wrong on this , but we the people paying for internet access & then corporate making profit is not good business. I realize they pay taxes on profits, but they should have to pay back the people's loan . I see the R&D on the vaccine as the same thing.
I do understand in the past taxpayers paid for electric infrastructure & the power companies should have repaid the loan . Again I could be wrong on this . To me it's like me buying a old house giving it to my brother for him to flip & I make nothing.
 

dave

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India just banned wheat exports for food security. Covid showed those who didn't know how dependent we are on the CCP for pharmaceuticals and medical supplies. Globalism is struggling right now. I have said numerous times we need leadership to bring home everything vital to National Security. The sooner both parties stop electing sell outs the safer your loved ones will be.
And to think that mean tweet guy who the sheep were told be the media to hate so bad...that guy did everything a president could do to get manufacturing back to America just in case something screwed up the supply chain. Somehow Biden still fked it up
 

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And to think that mean tweet guy who the sheep were told be the media to hate so bad...that guy did everything a president could do to get manufacturing back to America just in case something screwed up the supply chain. Somehow Biden still fked it up

Compromised!!!
 

dave

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As you know I was against the infrastructure bill, any pork is to much pork .
I could be wrong on this , but we the people paying for internet access & then corporate making profit is not good business. I realize they pay taxes on profits, but they should have to pay back the people's loan . I see the R&D on the vaccine as the same thing.
I do understand in the past taxpayers paid for electric infrastructure & the power companies should have repaid the loan . Again I could be wrong on this . To me it's like me buying a old house giving it to my brother for him to flip & I make nothing.
We are not paying for internet access. The bill is about internet infrastructure which is then bought or leased by companies. Basically getting fiber optics or other means of internet into rural locations.
 

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What about the one where they going to give priority to sick illegals getting beds in nursing homes. Just wheel grandma on the cliff, I guess. Or maybe dump her in a trash compactor.
 

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Far more than people are willing to give him credit for…but so much of this is far beyond any President’s control!!

Share your list of accomplishments by this administration and explain how we are better off than we were under former president, Donald Trump.
 

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What do you think this is? Capitalism?
I think it is funny that a clown who claims to own several successful businesses is talking **** to a young man who is working how way through school and complaining about how inflation hurts.
 

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I think it is funny that a clown who claims to own several successful businesses is talking **** to a young man who is working how way through school and complaining about how inflation hurts.

Only a dick would do something like that.
 

30CAT

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#poor. Take some personal responsibility, stop whining, and make more $100s

Also...Why do you bask in capitalism and preach conservative views, while backing socialists/communists and defending government dependency?

Just seems like you are totally a team player, while totally ignoring what your team is actually doing.
 

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Six-pack of beer cost a $1.70 in 1961 now 61 years later $9.48
45 dollars to fill my truck before Biden. Over a hundred yesterday. I can afford it but how about those who can't. Nobody's life has improved except Hunter's and the CCP.
 
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45 dollars to fill my truck before Biden. Over a hundred yesterday. I can afford but how about those who can't. Nobody's life has improved except Hunter's and the CCP.
I know at what I make every fill up cost me some form of want . I cant invite people over for a cook out , cant afford to do more home improvements, cant afford to donate to charities as I did . The list is endless. I can still afford my needs, but others I'm around are having troubles doing that now .
 

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We are not paying for internet access. The bill is about internet infrastructure which is then bought or leased by companies. Basically getting fiber optics or other means of internet into rural locations.
Maybe, most likely I'm not articulating myself correctly. Happens a lot.....
The infrastructure comes from taxpayers, correct? Does the government (taxpayers) get the 45 billion dollars back ? & not just in the form of taxes. Or does Verizon or who ever just take over the investment then maintain it ?
I agree we need it .
 

WVU enginEER

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Six-pack of beer cost a $1.70 in 1961 now 61 years later $9.48
I can remember paying 42 cents a gallon for gas back in college; then, they raised it to 52 cents and I could no longer get two gallons for a dollar. Those profiteering oil companies were really giving me the ole lube job. Joe Biden though, was riding Amtrack to work, all funded by tax payers.
 

dave

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Maybe, most likely I'm not articulating myself correctly. Happens a lot.....
The infrastructure comes from taxpayers, correct? Does the government (taxpayers) get the 45 billion dollars back ? & not just in the form of taxes. Or does Verizon or who ever just take over the investment then maintain it ?
I agree we need it .
I don't know how it works exactly when the utilities use the infrastructure. I think the money is given to municipalities and states in the form of grants. At some point when internet service is offered the utilities charge for it and we all pay a tax on that so there probably is a return for part of it if not all of it eventually.

All I am saying is that when considering all of the ridiculous ******** we spend tax dollars that spending money on infrastructure is among the better spent money. It would probably be even better if we paid industry to do it with a profit motive because they would do it better than government.
 

WVU enginEER

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Inflation and gas prices hitting really hard. Finally bit the bullet and put up the capital cost for an electric vehicle. Kids really seem to like it.
 

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I don't know how it works exactly when the utilities use the infrastructure. I think the money is given to municipalities and states in the form of grants. At some point when internet service is offered the utilities charge for it and we all pay a tax on that so there probably is a return for part of it if not all of it eventually.

All I am saying is that when considering all of the ridiculous ******** we spend tax dollars that spending money on infrastructure is among the better spent money. It would probably be even better if we paid industry to do it with a profit motive because they would do it better than government.
I get what you are saying & I agree on infrastructure as long as a private company is not making bank on our investments. Roads, bridges & that sort of stuff is a totally different animal than internet ( a new infrastructure that is needed) . I dont mind government (us) putting the money up front as a 0% interest to get it done by private sector, but once they make the profit it should be returned to the people. Not as tax revenue but as loan payments.
 

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You know what I've noticed with you?

I could be wrong about this, but from what I've seen, you seem to take a pretty civil tone when debating these topics. Some folks go straight to name calling, including within this very thread, instead of debating / discussing the issues.

In this instance, I think it was pretty ****** for some to resort to name calling in regards to @OregonMountie. We may not all agree with each other's political preferences / ideas, but does disagreeing with him make him less of a Mountaineer? The guy is as Gold n Blue as anyone on here, if not more.

Anyway, as I said, you seem to stay away from throwing **** toward others (of course, unless, it's thrown at you), and I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates it.

I appreciate you saying that and I honestly try to be respectful first. I don't always get the same treatment returned and while I do try to avoid the nasty profane laced name calling, I'm no shrinking violet and use my own style to return personal attacks.

The problem I find with most folks on the Left is I can't get them to honestly debate or defend what they believe in or vote for! The name calling typically follows as I seek honest attempts to pin them down or have them admit to the results of their failed policies or their votes for same.

I rarely get an honest, factual, respectful, well explained or well thought out response when I engage someone on the Left asking them to defend what they support or voted for and this question about Biden is just the latest proof of that!

Again I appreciate what you said here and if you continue being as respectful to me as you appear to be in this post I promise you it will ALWAYS be returned.
 

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India just banned wheat exports for food security. Covid showed those who didn't know how dependent we are on the CCP for pharmaceuticals and medical supplies. Globalism is struggling right now. I have said numerous times we need leadership to bring home everything vital to National Security. The sooner both parties stop electing sell outs the safer your loved ones will be.
Absolutely agree, one of the best things to come out of Covid was the presentation of our vulnerable we are in pharm and chips!! This is why Micro chip development became a large part of the infrastructure package!!
 

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Share your list of accomplishments by this administration and explain how we are better off than we were under former president, Donald Trump.
To me his biggest accomplishments:
- $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill (including roads/bridges/ports/airports/internet/mirco chip development
- $1.9 trillion Covid relief plan/package
- Lowest unemployment since 69.
- Commitment to combat climate change

Biggest failures:
- Afghanistan w/d
- Inflation is a concern, but as I stated this is a global issue and the President, Dem or Rep can only has limited control.
 

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- $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill (including roads/bridges/ports/airports/internet/mirco chip development
- $1.9 trillion Covid relief plan/package
- Inflation is a concern, but as I stated this is a global issue and the President, Dem or Rep can only has limited control.
Mind bottling
 

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To me his biggest accomplishments:
- $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill (including roads/bridges/ports/airports/internet/mirco chip development
- $1.9 trillion Covid relief plan/package
- Lowest unemployment since 69.
- Commitment to combat climate change

Biggest failures:
- Afghanistan w/d
- Inflation is a concern, but as I stated this is a global issue and the President, Dem or Rep can only has limited control.

This response can easily be dissected and refuted but I'm not getting into it just yet. Have some projects around the house to finish first but if none of my fellow Trumpers shoots this down I'll tackle it later on.

It is factually incorrect, has not left us "better off" and is a direct result of bad policy. More later.
 

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This response can easily be dissected and refuted but I'm not getting into it just yet. Have some projects around the house to finish first but if none of my fellow Trumpers shoots this down I'll tackle it later on.

It is factually incorrect, has not left us "better off" and is a direct result of bad policy. More later.
Even Morgan Stanley gets it... it's not rocket science. Or even dentistry.

 

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Mind bottling
He listed $3.1 trillion reasons why inflation is occurring as a win and included “climate change”, I.e. stomping on the neck of the oil industry futures, then proceeded to say Biden isn’t and can’t do anything about inflation. Not to mention, the supply chain was jacked due to extended and unnecessary blue state lockdowns. It’s like their minds are broken.

I notice he left off COVID response as a glaring failure. After all, Biden has single handedly killed over double what Trump did, and he did it with the benefit of a developed vaccine and rollout plan to the tune of inheriting a million doses a day.
 

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This response can easily be dissected and refuted but I'm not getting into it just yet. Have some projects around the house to finish first but if none of my fellow Trumpers shoots this down I'll tackle it later on.

It is factually incorrect, has not left us "better off" and is a direct result of bad policy. More later.
Guess we have to agree to disagree on these, our long range future will be better w/ improved infrastructure across the board, and the Covid relief kept many business and small industries afloat which otherwise would have closed or been lost forever, and lowest employment figure since 69 is not a good thing??
 

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Guess we have to agree to disagree on these, our long range future will be better w/ improved infrastructure across the board, and the Covid relief kept many business and small industries afloat which otherwise would have closed or been lost forever, and lowest employment figure since 69 is not a good thing??
Sure, it’s as good as it was when Trump did it pre-COVID. Unfortunately, this is the high water mark as we have a massive bust coming in about 4-5 months.
 

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Guess we have to agree to disagree on these, our long range future will be better w/ improved infrastructure across the board, and the Covid relief kept many business and small industries afloat which otherwise would have closed or been lost forever, and lowest employment figure since 69 is not a good thing??

Maybe we can spend another $6.4 trillion on new mansions for the homeless, and really get the economy going! That's a good thing, right?
 

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He listed $3.1 trillion reasons why inflation is occurring as a win and included “climate change”, I.e. stomping on the neck of the oil industry futures, then proceeded to say Biden isn’t and can’t do anything about inflation. Not to mention, the supply chain was jacked due to extended and unnecessary blue state lockdowns. It’s like their minds are broken.

I notice he left off COVID response as a glaring failure. After all, Biden has single handedly killed over double what Trump did, and he did it with the benefit of a developed vaccine and rollout plan to the tune of inheriting a million doses a day.
The last stimulus has played into inflation and in fact I called this out as a failure, but when the decision was made to implement there was just as good chance the economy wasn't going to rebound as it was take off. But even w/ that said there were still many businesses that would not have survived w/out. The other major cause of inflation is that several industries had to shut-down for extended periods around the global and w/ this were not able to make their normal levels of production leading to scarcities compounding the supply issues we have seen globally.

As for the Oil industry, the administration has gone back to open more land for drilling, but unless we work to build a balance of renewable energies for the future we will continue to see the climate related issues we are facing, it is a fact that needs addressed.

Covid response is a tough one, the longer a President is in office the chances of higher numbers are always there, even w/ the vaccine being available. This administration did everything they could to get folks vaccinated and boosted, but we all know that it can not be forced to the general populace and the facts show that the vast majority of hospitalization and related deaths were due to folks decisions to NOT get vaccinated.
 

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But even w/ that said there were still many businesses that would not have survived w/out.
Because of policy by blue state Governors and this administration keeping things unnecessarily locked down.
The other major cause of inflation is that several industries had to shut-down for extended periods around the global and w/ this were not able to make their normal levels of production leading to scarcities compounding the supply issues we have seen globally
Again, the main drivers of the economy and supply chain issues were direct results of prolonged shutdowns and payoffs to people to stay home. You really need to run some root cause on this stuff. The administration failed.
As for the Oil industry, the administration has gone back to open more land for drilling,
You’re high off your ***. They literally just pulled the leases on a bunch more locations last week. WTAF?

I honestly wouldn’t put it past this group of charlatans to create crisis just so they can try to get credit for solving it.

It’s fine though. You’ve been a dyed in the wool shill for the left as long as I’ve been posting on here. I’m not going to convince you otherwise. You’re still a damn fine Mountaineer.
 

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Because of policy by blue state Governors and this administration keeping things unnecessarily locked down.

Again, the main drivers of the economy and supply chain issues were direct results of prolonged shutdowns and payoffs to people to stay home. You really need to run some root cause on this stuff. The administration failed.

You’re high off your ***. They literally just pulled the leases on a bunch more locations last week. WTAF?

I honestly wouldn’t put it past this group of charlatans to create crisis just so they can try to get credit for solving it.

It’s fine though. You’ve been a dyed in the wool shill for the left as long as I’ve been posting on here. I’m not going to convince you otherwise. You’re still a damn fine Mountaineer.
Trump delivered a new vaccine to combat covid in less than a year, and had one million being vaccinated per day before he left office.

Biden can't even solve a baby formula shortage they've been aware of for a year.
 

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Absolutely agree, one of the best things to come out of Covid was the presentation of our vulnerable we are in pharm and chips!! This is why Micro chip development became a large part of the infrastructure package!!

There has been tons of money dumped into cities since 911. How those funds were spent needs to be audited before we throw more money at the problems. This administration is never going to stand up to the CCP. They are compromised and that includes some Republicans. Local Governments too. World aid we provide is also corrupted. Need to elect people that will solve all that. Then we can invest into our own country more. Defending Biden at this point is beneath someone of your intelligence. I wouldn't do it if I were you. Everything they touch turns to crap.
 

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Because of policy by blue state Governors and this administration keeping things unnecessarily locked down.

Again, the main drivers of the economy and supply chain issues were direct results of prolonged shutdowns and payoffs to people to stay home. You really need to run some root cause on this stuff. The administration failed.

You’re high off your ***. They literally just pulled the leases on a bunch more locations last week. WTAF?

I honestly wouldn’t put it past this group of charlatans to create crisis just so they can try to get credit for solving it.

It’s fine though. You’ve been a dyed in the wool shill for the left as long as I’ve been posting on here. I’m not going to convince you otherwise. You’re still a damn fine Mountaineer.
DD,
Funny thing is I have been a moderate Republican my whole life and a fiscal moderate. I had voted for a Republican in every Presidential election up to Trump but couldn't pull the trigger based on morality. Although even w/ that I was hoping he would become a President for the whole country, but never saw it. And although I would still never vote for Trump, I would vote for a Republican w/ a moderate platform. But no matter what way we look at things, every President gets too much praise and or blame, when they truly can only control so much.

The reason the recent lease were pulled was because of lack of interest in the bids, Oil companies do not want to drill as most companies are blaming it on Wall Street and investor pressure to maintain capital discipline, thus stock prices.

Although some of the shortages can be blamed on Blue State shut-downs, most are a combination of worker shortages due to Covid and shortages from global suppliers due to Covid shut-down in their countries. Deal with the later everyday of my life over the last two and a half years.

As for the Mountaineer comment, thank you, I was bitten earlier and often.....hell even gave 10 years sitting on the National Alumni Board, Foundation Board and then another 7 plus/current on the B-school Supply Chain Advisory Board. Yea the school is important to me.

Let's Go Mounties

Because of policy by blue state Governors and this administration keeping things unnecessarily locked down.

Again, the main drivers of the economy and supply chain issues were direct results of prolonged shutdowns and payoffs to people to stay home. You really need to run some root cause on this stuff. The administration failed.

You’re high off your ***. They literally just pulled the leases on a bunch more locations last week. WTAF?

I honestly wouldn’t put it past this group of charlatans to create crisis just so they can try to get credit for solving it.

It’s fine though. You’ve been a dyed in the wool shill for the left as long as I’ve been posting on here. I’m not going to convince you otherwise. You’re still a damn fine Mountaineer.
 

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Also...Why do you bask in capitalism and preach conservative views, while backing socialists/communists and defending government dependency?

Just seems like you are totally a team player, while totally ignoring what your team is actually doing.
I don’t espouse communist and socialist views. Name some I have. I’m a feee market capitalist.

I’m also a moderate. I vote for both Reps and Dems. Although I would never vote for Trump. If you pay attention, I don’t tail against policies per say. It’s his strategic plan to exploit poor angry whites for his benefit. He doesn’t give two ***** about these people. He was born with a greasy silver spoon in his mouth. He simply sees the opportunity to stroke his own ego at rallies and seeing his fat face in TV daily.

But in terms of fiscal policy, I didn’t argue with much of what he did.

But in terms of social policy he’s morally corrupt, and in terms of diplomatic policy he couldn’t point a non-authoritarian country on a map and name it unless he has a golf course there.

Notice I don’t say a word about Republicans. I purposefully use the word Trumper.