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muleymuley

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So the WVU Staff Council took a vote on how many members want the University to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations. The vote was 55% to 45% to mandate vaccines. This is an additional vote that follows a vote by the WVU assembly, "the body of essentially every full time West Virginia University faculty member", where more than 85% of those people voted to "ask the University" to require COVID-19 vaccines for all WVU students and employees. This vote was 1094 in favor of the mandate versus 185 against the mandate.


On Saturday, September 18, it was reported that the WVU Board of Governors "decided" to not institute the vaccine mandate.


If you ever question if collegiate officials care what you think, what their employees think, what their students think ...... wonder no more. There is no more irrefutable truth than what you are reading right now.

I'm not bringing this up to make a pro or con stance on vaccines and the COVID issues. I am bringing it up because it makes me wonder what they are teaching to students ? The younger generations who will eventually run our economy and make decisions regarding our constitution and every other American ideal. The administration agrees to let students and employees vote, the results were clearly decisive, yet the administration then ignores the vote. Seems to me when we teach our young people these kinds of lessons, we should not be surprised when they question political outcomes or any other facet of life.

We have met the enemy..... and they are us.
 
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muleymuley said:

So the WVU Staff Council took a vote on how many members want the University to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations. The vote was 55% to 45% to mandate vaccines. This is an additional vote that follows a vote by the WVU assembly, "the body of essentially every full time West Virginia University faculty member", where more than 85% of those people voted to "ask the University" to require COVID-19 vaccines for all WVU students and employees. This vote was 1094 in favor of the mandate versus 185 against the mandate.


On Saturday, September 18, it was reported that the WVU Board of Governors "decided" to not institute the vaccine mandate.


If you ever question if collegiate officials care what you think, what their employees think, what their students think ...... wonder no more. There is no more irrefutable truth than what you are reading right now.

I'm not bringing this up to make a pro or con stance on vaccines and the COVID issues. I am bringing it up because it makes me wonder what they are teaching to students ? The younger generations who will eventually run our economy and make decisions regarding our constitution and every other American ideal. The administration agrees to let students and employees vote, the results were clearly decisive, yet the administration then ignores the vote. Seems to me when we teach our young people these kinds of lessons, we should not be surprised when they question political outcomes or any other facet of life.

We have met the enemy..... and they are us.
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Probably lawyers told them that they lack the authority to mandate it due to the constitution. Maybe.
 
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Airport said:
Probably lawyers told them that they lack the authority to mandate it due to the constitution. Maybe.
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I'm sure it involved lawyers and PR department, but not sure about the constitutional part. The University has never had a problem limiting rights of the students. Constitutional or not.
 
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muleymuley said:

So the WVU Staff Council took a vote on how many members want the University to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations. The vote was 55% to 45% to mandate vaccines. This is an additional vote that follows a vote by the WVU assembly, "the body of essentially every full time West Virginia University faculty member", where more than 85% of those people voted to "ask the University" to require COVID-19 vaccines for all WVU students and employees. This vote was 1094 in favor of the mandate versus 185 against the mandate.


On Saturday, September 18, it was reported that the WVU Board of Governors "decided" to not institute the vaccine mandate.


If you ever question if collegiate officials care what you think, what their employees think, what their students think ...... wonder no more. There is no more irrefutable truth than what you are reading right now.

I'm not bringing this up to make a pro or con stance on vaccines and the COVID issues. I am bringing it up because it makes me wonder what they are teaching to students ? The younger generations who will eventually run our economy and make decisions regarding our constitution and every other American ideal. The administration agrees to let students and employees vote, the results were clearly decisive, yet the administration then ignores the vote. Seems to me when we teach our young people these kinds of lessons, we should not be surprised when they question political outcomes or any other facet of life.

We have met the enemy..... and they are us.
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I mean I work for the Federal Govt. --- we have a Constitution and all that. That said I remind employees regularly that Constitution applies to your ability to change our government and your rights as a private citizen. Here at work we are NOT a Democracy.... You have a boss, I have a boss, we work in the Executive Branch -- so ultimately your boss is the President. Whether that President is Democrat or Republican he is the boss (my Agency is Excepted Service so Civil Service does not apply). Whether you want to "RESIST" or not -- feel free to do that in private... but here you do what the boss says or you don't have to work here and you don't have to have a paycheck.

I don't know of many private companies where the CEO takes votes among the employees before making decisions.....
 
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lostinthelight

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muleymuley said:

So the WVU Staff Council took a vote on how many members want the University to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations. The vote was 55% to 45% to mandate vaccines. This is an additional vote that follows a vote by the WVU assembly, "the body of essentially every full time West Virginia University faculty member", where more than 85% of those people voted to "ask the University" to require COVID-19 vaccines for all WVU students and employees. This vote was 1094 in favor of the mandate versus 185 against the mandate.


On Saturday, September 18, it was reported that the WVU Board of Governors "decided" to not institute the vaccine mandate.


If you ever question if collegiate officials care what you think, what their employees think, what their students think ...... wonder no more. There is no more irrefutable truth than what you are reading right now.

I'm not bringing this up to make a pro or con stance on vaccines and the COVID issues. I am bringing it up because it makes me wonder what they are teaching to students ? The younger generations who will eventually run our economy and make decisions regarding our constitution and every other American ideal. The administration agrees to let students and employees vote, the results were clearly decisive, yet the administration then ignores the vote. Seems to me when we teach our young people these kinds of lessons, we should not be surprised when they question political outcomes or any other facet of life.

We have met the enemy..... and they are us.
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It doesn't take too long to find a thread on this board to see why the University is hesitant to mandate the vaccine.

The pushback...although generally misinformed and even conspirital at times...is so strong and vicious as to discourage doing the safe thing.

We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on.

The anger and paranoia of the fewer is endangering the majority. Strange times.

Babydog is just not doing enough!
 
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lostinthelight said:
It doesn't take too long to find a thread on this board to see why the University is hesitant to mandate the vaccine.

The pushback...although generally misinformed and even conspirital at times...is so strong and vicious as to discourage doing the safe thing.

We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on.

The anger and paranoia of the fewer is endangering the majority. Strange times.

Babydog is just not doing enough!
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You're misinformed.... probably following Fake News hook, line and sinker.
 
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WVU just sent an email to all of their employees basically making it mandatory that everyone get vaccinated or submit to the required testing will make their life so miserable that you submit.

That being said, Dr. Marsh has again reiterated that you cannot Vax your way out of this...yet, we have people who keep demanding that Vaxxing will solve the issue. It helps, everyone (of age) should get it but there are real reasons and natural immunity that needs to be included into the decision on how to proceed.
 
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~IRWT~

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Airport said:
Probably lawyers told them that they lack the authority to mandate it due to the constitution. Maybe.
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If that is the case, how does every public school in American mandate other vaccinations for attendance? Not being a smart *** here but what makes the COVID vaccine unique in that way? I am honestly trying to understand what the difference is to people.
 
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Up until recently the vaxs were only emergency authorizations for use. Only recently did Pfiser receive FDA approval. That seems to be a difference to being required to take non-approved vaccines vs. Approved vaccines.

This from a guy that was ordered to submit to experimental flu vaccines many years ago in the USAF. The only times I ever fell victim to the flu in 60+ years.
 
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~IRWT~ said:
If that is the case, how does every public school in American mandate other vaccinations for attendance? Not being a smart *** here but what makes the COVID vaccine unique in that way? I am honestly trying to understand what the difference is to people.
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This is not the first time that vaccines has been questioned. And they are using new technology on top of that...might be safer...but some don't want to be test subjects...and yes, I got covid, received the antibodies and also vaccinated...

 
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Pospecteer said:
This is not the first time that vaccines has been questioned. And they are using new technology on top of that...might be safer...but some don't want to be test subjects...and yes, I got covid, received the antibodies and also vaccinated...

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Fair but at some point, you have to come to terms with the fact that 100s of millions of people have been vaccinated and remain healthy for going on 7 months now. Let's be honest, this whole thing is little more than the world's dumbest test of wills at this point.
 
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lostinthelight said:
It doesn't take too long to find a thread on this board to see why the University is hesitant to mandate the vaccine.

The pushback...although generally misinformed and even conspirital at times...is so strong and vicious as to discourage doing the safe thing.

We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on.

The anger and paranoia of the fewer is endangering the majority. Strange times.

Babydog is just not doing enough!
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It doesn't take long to find WVUs exact reason for not mandating a vaccine because thy put out a presser explaining why. You should read it. It had nothing to do with outrage. It had to do with massive staffing issues.
 
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~IRWT~ said:
Fair but at some point, you have to come to terms with the fact that 100s of millions of people have been vaccinated and remain healthy for going on 7 months now. Let's be honest, this whole thing is little more than the world's dumbest test of wills at this point.
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Clay Marsh has stated numerous times that you cannot VAX. your way out of this...I happen to agree with him! Natural Immunity is the only way forward...and I think the gov. knows this now...this is why we had 60K 100 yards from a hospital that is overwhelmed (according to the same people who allowed 60K people hang together)

Like I stated earlier...I had Covid...received the monoclonal antibodies...and got vaccinated...Guess which one is protecting the most?
 
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People who have been vaxed are spreading the new variant. No vaccine and this crap would be over by now.
 
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Was pleasantly surprised to see that 80% of the WVU student population has received the shot and as well as 74% of the staff.
 
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WVUMPA98 said:
I mean I work for the Federal Govt. --- we have a Constitution and all that. That said I remind employees regularly that Constitution applies to your ability to change our government and your rights as a private citizen. Here at work we are NOT a Democracy.... You have a boss, I have a boss, we work in the Executive Branch -- so ultimately your boss is the President. Whether that President is Democrat or Republican he is the boss (my Agency is Excepted Service so Civil Service does not apply). Whether you want to "RESIST" or not -- feel free to do that in private... but here you do what the boss says or you don't have to work here and you don't have to have a paycheck.

I don't know of many private companies where the CEO takes votes among the employees before making decisions.....
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That's is factually incorrect. Your employer, the government, is limited by the Constitution (well, it is supposed to be). For example, as a private employer, I can make every employee of mine devote themselves to the religion of my choice. A government employer cannot.
 
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lostinthelight said:
It doesn't take too long to find a thread on this board to see why the University is hesitant to mandate the vaccine.

The pushback...although generally misinformed and even conspirital at times...is so strong and vicious as to discourage doing the safe thing.

We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on.

The anger and paranoia of the fewer is endangering the majority. Strange times.

Babydog is just not doing enough!
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"We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on."

You are talking about abortion....right?
 
WVUMPA98

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SoCo said:
That's is factually incorrect. Your employer, the government, is limited by the Constitution (well, it is supposed to be). For example, as a private employer, I can make every employee of mine devote themselves to the religion of my choice. A government employer cannot.
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Yes of course.. you do understand what I am saying. If you work in the Executive Branch, the President is the boss, and like any organization we don't take a vote amongst our employees for decision making.....

Our ability to crap on you the people is limited by the Constitution... We have Constitutional limits on how we can crap on our own employees but at the end of the day my employees didn't elect me boss, I don't take decisions to them for a vote, etc.... As Private Citizens they can vote for or against Joe Biden or Donald Trump. As Executive Branch employees if they want a paycheck they have to execute the orders of the President whether they voted for him or not. Throughout the Pandemic as we have "imposed" particular requirements on employees (across 2 Presidencies now) I will say the same thing I say to .y employees when they complain.. "you don't have to work here".....
 
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lostinthelight said:
Lol...yeah...if abortion was contagious.
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Fortunately, a fork stabbed into one’s skull and brains sucked into a sink are not contagious conditions. But letting someone else die nonetheless happens in abortions. Not much to LOL about there.
 
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MikeIII said:
Fortunately, a fork stabbed into one’s skull and brains sucked into a sink are not contagious conditions. But letting someone else die nonetheless happens in abortions. Not much to LOL about there.
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Indeed. A perfect 100% kill rate over a half century is nothing to sneeze at.

Far cry from a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.

My favorite part is "We have to protect our vaccinated from the non-vaccinated."

LOL!!!

I thought this wonder vaccine was supposed to take care of that.
 
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Raven Shaddock said:
Indeed. A perfect 100% kill rate over a half century is nothing to sneeze at.

Far cry from a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.

My favorite part is "We have to protect our vaccinated from the non-vaccinated."

LOL!!!

I thought this wonder vaccine was supposed to take care of that.
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The survival rate is the part that is constantly missed, maybe ignored. Getting the virus is not a death sentence. We better start understanding that b/c this thing is not going away, even with a vaccine. The 1918 flu epidemic is still around, we simply adapted and moved forward.
 
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MikeIII said:
The survival rate is the part that is constantly missed, maybe ignored. Getting the virus is not a death sentence. We better start understanding that b/c this thing is not going away, even with a vaccine. The 1918 flu epidemic is still around, we simply adapted and moved forward.
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I guess Derek's failed brainwashing prompted these "gain of function" fanatics (what sane individual would want to make a virus more transmissible & deadly anyway?) to find a different way to kill the Prime Minister of Micronesia.

 
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muleymuley said:

So the WVU Staff Council took a vote on how many members want the University to mandate COVID-19 vaccinations. The vote was 55% to 45% to mandate vaccines. This is an additional vote that follows a vote by the WVU assembly, "the body of essentially every full time West Virginia University faculty member", where more than 85% of those people voted to "ask the University" to require COVID-19 vaccines for all WVU students and employees. This vote was 1094 in favor of the mandate versus 185 against the mandate.


On Saturday, September 18, it was reported that the WVU Board of Governors "decided" to not institute the vaccine mandate.


If you ever question if collegiate officials care what you think, what their employees think, what their students think ...... wonder no more. There is no more irrefutable truth than what you are reading right now.

I'm not bringing this up to make a pro or con stance on vaccines and the COVID issues. I am bringing it up because it makes me wonder what they are teaching to students ? The younger generations who will eventually run our economy and make decisions regarding our constitution and every other American ideal. The administration agrees to let students and employees vote, the results were clearly decisive, yet the administration then ignores the vote. Seems to me when we teach our young people these kinds of lessons, we should not be surprised when they question political outcomes or any other facet of life.

We have met the enemy..... and they are us.
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I think they’re teaching them that the government doesn’t have the right to force them to get a vaccine, especially to continue attending a university that didn’t require them to have it upon enrollment. The Constitution and all.
 
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80% of students & 74% of staff already have it. More will probably give in once they get tired of random tests and the forced quarantine over the fall.
 
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SoCo

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WVUMPA98 said:
Yes of course.. you do understand what I am saying. If you work in the Executive Branch, the President is the boss, and like any organization we don't take a vote amongst our employees for decision making.....

Our ability to crap on you the people is limited by the Constitution... We have Constitutional limits on how we can crap on our own employees but at the end of the day my employees didn't elect me boss, I don't take decisions to them for a vote, etc.... As Private Citizens they can vote for or against Joe Biden or Donald Trump. As Executive Branch employees if they want a paycheck they have to execute the orders of the President whether they voted for him or not. Throughout the Pandemic as we have "imposed" particular requirements on employees (across 2 Presidencies now) I will say the same thing I say to .y employees when they complain.. "you don't have to work here".....
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I understand exactly what you are saying. The President is your boss, you follow his orders and no one voted you in. I am not talking about that. The issue is this:

"Throughout the Pandemic as we have "imposed" particular requirements on employees (across 2 Presidencies now) I will say the same thing I say to .y employees when they complain.. "you don't have to work here"....."

Those requirements must be Constitutional. Otherwise, your boss (President) could demand everyone in his Executive branch renounce their religion and worship Islam and your response to your employees would simply be "you don't have to work here?"

That isn't how it works. Your employer is confined to Constitutional requirements.
 
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SoCo said:
I understand exactly what you are saying. The President is your boss, you follow his orders and no one voted you in. I am not talking about that. The issue is this:

"Throughout the Pandemic as we have "imposed" particular requirements on employees (across 2 Presidencies now) I will say the same thing I say to .y employees when they complain.. "you don't have to work here"....."

Those requirements must be Constitutional. Otherwise, your boss (President) could demand everyone in his Executive branch renounce their religion and worship Islam and your response to your employees would simply be "you don't have to work here?"

That isn't how it works. Your employer is confined to Constitutional requirements.
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Yes they do have to be Constitutional -- requiring the vaccine is not Unconstitutional see Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905). Nor is requiring masking (as much as I hate it). We have had employees complain about the most ridiculous things -- most of them didn't WANT to come back. That was the most ridiculous thing -- got paid for several months to stay home then bitched about having to come back. I heard things like "it gives me anxiety" etc. etc.... Bottom line you come back to work or you don't get paid. Heard at least one person say our Agency head "should have taken a vote to see if employees wanted to come back".... that's the kind of privileged crap that's been going on in DC
 
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WVUMPA98 said:
I mean I work for the Federal Govt. --- we have a Constitution and all that. That said I remind employees regularly that Constitution applies to your ability to change our government and your rights as a private citizen. Here at work we are NOT a Democracy.... You have a boss, I have a boss, we work in the Executive Branch -- so ultimately your boss is the President. Whether that President is Democrat or Republican he is the boss (my Agency is Excepted Service so Civil Service does not apply). Whether you want to "RESIST" or not -- feel free to do that in private... but here you do what the boss says or you don't have to work here and you don't have to have a paycheck.

I don't know of many private companies where the CEO takes votes among the employees before making decisions.....
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Does a boss have the right to tell a convicted rapist who is out of jail and seeking employment that they must get castrated before being employed since they are a danger to others?
 
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Raven Shaddock said:
Indeed. A perfect 100% kill rate over a half century is nothing to sneeze at.

Far cry from a virus with a 99.8% survival rate.

My favorite part is "We have to protect our vaccinated from the non-vaccinated."

LOL!!!

I thought this wonder vaccine was supposed to take care of that.
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They are playing on fear. What they don't like to report about (and don't report) is that vaccinated people are carrying this "virus" and spreading it to people. They are scared that if people don't get vaccinated, and deaths spike, then their "vaccine" will be found out to be NOT a vaccine, but a pre-treatment medication for this "virus". I'm not sure why people haven't seen through all this. If you have been vaccinated, they say you are 99.8% likely to recover if you catch it. If you are unvaccinated, you are 98.5% likely to recover.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Does a boss have the right to tell a convicted rapist who is out of jail and seeking employment that they must get castrated before being employed since they are a danger to others?
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No but the boss doesn't have to hire him....

That said Buck V Bell (1927) makes it Constitutional -- with appropriate due process -- for the State to sterilize someone against their will. This case remains the law of the land....
 
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MountaineerWV said:
They are playing on fear. What they don't like to report about (and don't report) is that vaccinated people are carrying this "virus" and spreading it to people. They are scared that if people don't get vaccinated, and deaths spike, then their "vaccine" will be found out to be NOT a vaccine, but a pre-treatment medication for this "virus". I'm not sure why people haven't seen through all this. If you have been vaccinated, they say you are 99.8% likely to recover if you catch it. If you are unvaccinated, you are 98.5% likely to recover.
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Early reports stated that the vaccine killed off your antibodies if you had covid previously. I haven't seen that in quite a while, nor reports that it was not the case.

I'm pretty certain it's only a therapeutic. If you'd had covid previously, it makes you more apt to get it again. When you have covid after the vaccine, you have a larger virus load than someone who had not had the vaccine, making you apt to spread it more often, however the one advantage is that you don't get as sick.

Not much of a vaccine.
 
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The polio vaccine stopped the spread & prevented people from catching it , the Corona pre treatment does not . One is a vaccine, one is a pretreatment. Big difference.
 
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TarHeelEer said:
Early reports stated that the vaccine killed off your antibodies if you had covid previously. I haven't seen that in quite a while, nor reports that it was not the case.

I'm pretty certain it's only a therapeutic. If you'd had covid previously, it makes you more apt to get it again. When you have covid after the vaccine, you have a larger virus load than someone who had not had the vaccine, making you apt to spread it more often, however the one advantage is that you don't get as sick.

Not much of a vaccine.
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Sounds like you read the studies coming from Israel? I agree 100%
 
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lostinthelight said:
It doesn't take too long to find a thread on this board to see why the University is hesitant to mandate the vaccine.

The pushback...although generally misinformed and even conspirital at times...is so strong and vicious as to discourage doing the safe thing.

We are literally willing to let our fellow citizens die in order to preserve a very specific type of "freedom" some insist on.

The anger and paranoia of the fewer is endangering the majority. Strange times.

Babydog is just not doing enough!
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Tell that to the thousands who have died from the injections and hundreds of thousands who have suffered severe reactions from them.
 
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TarHeelEer said:
It's not a vaccine. You can still get the disease after receiving it.

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LOL. OK. No one said you would never get it after the vaccine you dolt. What I'm saying is that its certainly not increasing the spread. If you think that you're dumber than I thought.
 
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