Jan 6th protesters treatment

mule_eer

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Just curious what folks think about this comparison. Someone illegally crosses the border. They committed no other crime, and they claim to be seeking asylum. Should that person be detained until their hearing? How long are those folks waiting for their hearings?

Also, how long are folks generally waiting for their trial in other criminal cases? Let's talk apples to apples before we claim all of these folks in jail are being horribly mistreated.
 

dave

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Just curious what folks think about this comparison. Someone illegally crosses the border. They committed no other crime, and they claim to be seeking asylum. Should that person be detained until their hearing? How long are those folks waiting for their hearings?

Also, how long are folks generally waiting for their trial in other criminal cases? Let's talk apples to apples before we claim all of these folks in jail are being horribly mistreated.
How many illegal immigrants waiting asylum hearings or accused of other criminal cases are being held in solitary confinement 23 hours a day for non violent offenses?
 

Gunny46

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Just curious what folks think about this comparison. Someone illegally crosses the border. They committed no other crime, and they claim to be seeking asylum. Should that person be detained until their hearing? How long are those folks waiting for their hearings?

Also, how long are folks generally waiting for their trial in other criminal cases? Let's talk apples to apples before we claim all of these folks in jail are being horribly mistreated. Kelly who has attended all the court hearings is pointing out that equal

Now do Antifa and BLM. The ones who actually broke stuff need to prosecuted. However they are American citizens so they have a right to a speedy trial. There are also people who committed no violence that the prosecutors wanted to keep in pretrial confinement. The Judge said no on some of them but the prosecutors are trying to jail nonviolent citizens awaiting trial. Yet Antifa and BLM were turned loose. Bottom line equal justice is not being used here. If the Democrats keep going down this road you will feel it in 22 and 24. So carry on with your silly logic.
 

mule_eer

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Now do Antifa and BLM. The ones who actually broke stuff need to prosecuted. However they are American citizens so they have a right to a speedy trial. There are also people who committed no violence that the prosecutors wanted to keep in pretrial confinement. The Judge said no on some of them but the prosecutors are trying to jail nonviolent citizens awaiting trial. Yet Antifa and BLM were turned loose. Bottom line equal justice is not being used here. If the Democrats keep going down this road you will feel it in 22 and 24. So carry on with your silly logic.
I've never defended antifa or blm. Peacefully protest and you are good. Break stuff and you are not. Create a panic where people have to evacuated, still not good.
 

Gunny46

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I've never defended antifa or blm. Peacefully protest and you are good. Break stuff and you are not. Create a panic where people have to evacuated, still not good.
The problem is they are arresting people who didn't break anything. Kelly has been in court for each of these and is reporting on what is happening. If you're not defending Antifa, BLM, and groups like the NFAC then it's obvious to anyone being objective there is selective enforcement of the law going on. Any Democrat that thinks this is a winning strategy is drunk on power. Lots of swing voters will not tolerate this as they will see themselves next in line for simply wanting to protest people in power. It's trending toward Minority Report and wrong think and that's not going to fly in this country.
 

30CAT

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Let's talk apples to apples before we claim all of these folks in jail are being horribly mistreated.

Impossible. We had rioters destroying our cities, federal buildings, beating, shooting and sometimes killing in protest. The left stood by and did nothing. Some even told police to stand down.....The few rioters that got arrested? Our leftist "leaders" (one who is now our vice president of the U.S.) bailed them out of jail. Now I ask....Honestly....How can we compare apples to apples?
 

Gunny46

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Impossible. We had rioters destroying our cities, federal buildings, beating, shooting and sometimes killing in protest. The left stood by and did nothing. Some even told police to stand down.....The few rioters that got arrested? Our leftist "leaders" (one who is now our vice president of the U.S.) bailed them out of jail. Now I ask....Honestly....How can we compare apples to apples?
Notice how it's calmed down some since the election. Not coordinated with the DNC at all.
[eyeroll]
 

Gunny46

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Impossible. We had rioters destroying our cities, federal buildings, beating, shooting and sometimes killing in protest. The left stood by and did nothing. Some even told police to stand down.....The few rioters that got arrested? Our leftist "leaders" (one who is now our vice president of the U.S.) bailed them out of jail. Now I ask....Honestly....How can we compare apples to apples?

This doesn't sound like a threat. :flush: When is the FBI going to start looking into this militia?




It's not like its members aren't shooting cops in the head.

 

Gunny46

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Eventually people should figure out Q was probably taken over by people who were not looking out for Trump or his supporters. I mentioned this before. It was ran like pysop to benefit him or his supporters. Just enough truth to reel you in and lead you down a path to this.

 

DvlDog4WVU

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Just curious what folks think about this comparison. Someone illegally crosses the border. They committed no other crime, and they claim to be seeking asylum. Should that person be detained until their hearing? How long are those folks waiting for their hearings?

Also, how long are folks generally waiting for their trial in other criminal cases? Let's talk apples to apples before we claim all of these folks in jail are being horribly mistreated.
There’s a whole 6th amendment we have protection with. Also, add in the bail reform philosophy and justice reform Democrats seem to be about, these actions stand in stark contrast.

Now, with the asylum seekers, that’s obviously being an extremely abused process with something like 80+% being denied asylum. There is also an active strategy to overwhelm the courts to allow them to disappear into the interior and never show up. Trump had this right where they were made to stay in Mexico awaiting their trial. Now, we’re back to kids in cages.
 

mule_eer

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There’s a whole 6th amendment we have protection with. Also, add in the bail reform philosophy and justice reform Democrats seem to be about, these actions stand in stark contrast.

Now, with the asylum seekers, that’s obviously being an extremely abused process with something like 80+% being denied asylum. There is also an active strategy to overwhelm the courts to allow them to disappear into the interior and never show up. Trump had this right where they were made to stay in Mexico awaiting their trial. Now, we’re back to kids in cages.
Their wait isn't uncommon in the system. Neither is solitary. And the right usually has no concerns about those issues, so hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides. Speaking of that, did the Cuban protesters who blocked traffic in Miami get arrested for the felony under the new Florida law?
 

Gunny46

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Their wait isn't uncommon in the system. Neither is solitary. And the right usually has no concerns about those issues, so hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides. Speaking of that, did the Cuban protesters who blocked traffic in Miami get arrested for the felony under the new Florida law?
FFS the law that DeSantis signed is for stiffer penalties for rioters breaking ****. It was already against the law to block traffic. It's a 15 dollar citation. Since I didn't see you on here complaining when BLM and Antifa did it we can just cut through the ********. You're upset the protesters against communist got a warning.
 

mule_eer

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FFS the law that DeSantis signed is for stiffer penalties for rioters breaking ****. It was already against the law to block traffic. It's a 15 dollar citation. Since I didn't see you on here complaining when BLM and Antifa did it we can just cut through the ********. You're upset the protesters against communist got a warning.
That law made blocking a highway a felony offense. Feel free to look into it yourself. I'm not mad those protesters were not arrested, but I'm curious to see if that restraint is used in future situations.
 

Gunny46

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That law made blocking a highway a felony offense. Feel free to look into it yourself. I'm not mad those protesters were not arrested, but I'm curious to see if that restraint is used in future situations.
It should be used only if they are tearing **** up. Other than that it should be a 15 dollar citation or tell them to move on and give them a deadline. The Governor is probably going to leave it up to local discretion unless stuff is getting destroyed. Here are two in Tampa that got charged. Discretion can and should be used if nothing is getting broken or there isn't a big delay. The Police and Prosecutors don't have to always charge with the highest crime. However neither group should be blocking traffic. Protest in a way that doesn't do that and you won't piss a bunch of people off trying to get to work.


 
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dave

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Their wait isn't uncommon in the system. Neither is solitary. And the right usually has no concerns about those issues, so hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides. Speaking of that, did the Cuban protesters who blocked traffic in Miami get arrested for the felony under the new Florida law?
Solitary for non violent crimes is uncommon.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Their wait isn't uncommon in the system. Neither is solitary. And the right usually has no concerns about those issues, so hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides. Speaking of that, did the Cuban protesters who blocked traffic in Miami get arrested for the felony under the new Florida law?
6 months of prime-trial confinement for non-violent offenses in solitary is beyond absurd. GTFOH. Even being held on pre-trial for these folks is absurd. This is an abuse of the system considering last summer’s events. Surely you can agree.

That’s a great question, I don’t believe they did. Hopefully we get to watch them tear apart the country for another summer of rage.