Saagar nails it on the MSM yet again.

[op2]

Distrust in the MSM is at an all time low. Why? Because the public has functioning eyes, functioning ears and functioning brains.

This latest one is about Michael Avanetti, the guy that the media built into a massive hero despite that fact that he gave every indication of being nothing more than a sleazy opportunistic lawyer, which unsurprisingly turned out to be true as he has just been sentenced to 2.5 years in jail and has other charges awaiting him.

But Avenatti had one thing going for him as far as the media was concerned. He was willing to incessantly slam Trump. So no matter how awful someone is, if they slam Trump then they become the good guy. Isn't disbelieving anything Trump says basically the same thing as believing anything Trump says?

The thing is though, the people that believe anything Trump says are typically otherwise powerless schmucks living off money from doing odd jobs to get by in some small town in the middle of nowhere whereas the media that disbelieves anything Trump says are in control of powerful institutions. Then again, maybe they don't actually disbelieve anything Trump says per se but rather playing that game because it makes them richer and richer and richer.

Regardless, when the institutions are awful-er and awful-er and awful-er, the people trust them less and less and less. As they should.

If you want just the summary then watch from 5:25 to 6:01.

 

[moe]

Distrust in the MSM is at an all time low

You mean high, right? Yawn. Even though Avenatti turned out to be a slimeball, he was right about Trump breaking campaign finance laws. So the story that Avenatti and the "MSM" were bringing was true. Trump election lawyers and right wing media darlings are getting exposed in court for lying right now, tune in.

 

[dave]

You mean high, right? Yawn. Even though Avenatti turned out to be a slimeball, he was right about Trump breaking campaign finance laws. So the story that Avenatti and the "MSM" were bringing was true. Trump election lawyers and right wing media darlings are getting exposed in court for lying right now, tune in.

Poor moe. Please provide actual proof of any of your ridiculous claims.

 

[op2]

You mean high, right? Yawn. Even though Avenatti turned out to be a slimeball, he was right about Trump breaking campaign finance laws. So the story that Avenatti and the "MSM" were bringing was true. Trump election lawyers and right wing media darlings are getting exposed in court for lying right now, tune in.

Yes, I mean high, big time typo that.

I don't even know the details of what Avanetti was talking about but that's not really the point. The point is that the MSM is totally reflexively anti-Trump and will support anyone that is anti-Trump no matter what and as a result of that and many other things people have completely lost trust.

The most recent and more glaring example was when for over a year the MSM called the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory because Trump said the virus came from a lab. Trump could say 1 + 1 = 2 and the MSM would say 1 + 1 does not equal 2. It's the inverse of Trump's line of "I could walk down 5th avenue shooting and people would still love me." Yes, that and also Trump could walk down 5th avenue curing people of cancer and the MSM would still hate him.

We're at the point where if MSM doesn't what the people to believe something they simply call it a conspiracy theory and as a result the phrase "conspiracy theory" has lost meaning.

 

[jpoppa]

You mean high, right? Yawn. Even though Avenatti turned out to be a slimeball, he was right about Trump breaking campaign finance laws. So the story that Avenatti and the "MSM" were bringing was true. Trump election lawyers and right wing media darlings are getting exposed in court for lying right now, tune in.

Russian Collusion

 

[dave]

Yes, I mean high, big time typo that.

I don't even know the details of what Avanetti was talking about but that's not really the point. The point is that the MSM is totally reflexively anti-Trump and will support anyone that is anti-Trump no matter what and as a result of that and many other things people have completely lost trust.

The most recent and more glaring example was when for over a year the MSM called the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory because Trump said the virus came from a lab. Trump could say 1 + 1 = 2 and the MSM would say 1 + 1 does not equal 2. It's the inverse of Trump's line of "I could walk down 5th avenue shooting and people would still love me." Yes, that and also Trump could walk down 5th avenue curing people of cancer and the MSM would still hate him.

We're at the point where if MSM doesn't what the people to believe something they simply call it a conspiracy theory and as a result the phrase "conspiracy theory" has lost meaning.

You are getting closer OP. When it occurs to you why the MSM is reflexivly anti trump because of who they work for in reality a lot of what has happened really makes sense.

 

[moe]

Yes, I mean high, big time typo that.

I don't even know the details of what Avanetti was talking about but that's not really the point. The point is that the MSM is totally reflexively anti-Trump and will support anyone that is anti-Trump no matter what and as a result of that and many other things people have completely lost trust.

The most recent and more glaring example was when for over a year the MSM called the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory because Trump said the virus came from a lab. Trump could say 1 + 1 = 2 and the MSM would say 1 + 1 does not equal 2. It's the inverse of Trump's line of "I could walk down 5th avenue shooting and people would still love me." Yes, that and also Trump could walk down 5th avenue curing people of cancer and the MSM would still hate him.

We're at the point where if MSM doesn't what the people to believe something they simply call it a conspiracy theory and as a result the phrase "conspiracy theory" has lost meaning.

I've never had a problem telling truth from fiction but others aren't so fortunate. The press is pro-truth and Trump is anti-truth so they are at odds. Trump calls the media fake because they report the truth about him. I can understand the pushback by the press.

 

[mule_eer]

Yes, I mean high, big time typo that.

I don't even know the details of what Avanetti was talking about but that's not really the point. The point is that the MSM is totally reflexively anti-Trump and will support anyone that is anti-Trump no matter what and as a result of that and many other things people have completely lost trust.

The most recent and more glaring example was when for over a year the MSM called the lab leak hypothesis a conspiracy theory because Trump said the virus came from a lab. Trump could say 1 + 1 = 2 and the MSM would say 1 + 1 does not equal 2. It's the inverse of Trump's line of "I could walk down 5th avenue shooting and people would still love me." Yes, that and also Trump could walk down 5th avenue curing people of cancer and the MSM would still hate him.

We're at the point where if MSM doesn't what the people to believe something they simply call it a conspiracy theory and as a result the phrase "conspiracy theory" has lost meaning.

I saw that guy and his podcast partner interviewed on Rogan. They make some solid points about media in general working from an entertainment model, got to keep the ad revenue coming in.

To your and the video's larger point, the failure of much of MSM and the left to give any credit to Trump for anything positive he did or he was correct about is an issue. It's also an issue shared by the other side of the left. We're divided up into teams, at least the politicians and much of media. I think the vast majority of Americans aren't if you really try to drill down to find out what they want.

 

[dave]

I've never had a problem telling truth from fiction but others aren't so fortunate. The press is pro-truth and Trump is anti-truth so they are at odds. Trump calls the media fake because they report the truth about him. I can understand the pushback by the press.

Most ironic post ever.

 

[op2]

I saw that guy and his podcast partner interviewed on Rogan. They make some solid points about media in general working from an entertainment model, got to keep the ad revenue coming in.

To your and the video's larger point, the failure of much of MSM and the left to give any credit to Trump for anything positive he did or he was correct about is an issue. It's also an issue shared by the other side of the left. We're divided up into teams, at least the politicians and much of media. I think the vast majority of Americans aren't if you really try to drill down to find out what they want.

They were on Rogan recently but they were first on Rogan about a year ago and that's how I learned about them. They had a show on thehill.com called Rising. That company is owned by a billionaire but the shows schitick was to be very anti-establishment. But they recently left Rising and started their own show called Breaking Points, which is what the clip I posted was from, and they said that part of the reason was that because they were owned by a billionaire, certain topics were off limits. Now they're independent and they can talk about whatever they want. (Rising still has it's anti-establishment bent but with new hosts that aren't quite as interesting unfortunately.)

There are more and more media like that. But as I highlighted in another thread, when the entities that distribute what you see, like Youbute, push certain shows then those shows have an advantage. And guess what kind of news shows a giant corporation like Youtube pushes? They push news shows provided by...wait for it...giant corporations. Big surprise, huh? I get Krystal & Saggar suggested for me on Youtube sometimes because I watch them a lot, but in the special row on Youtube where the suggest news for you, I never ever see K&S. It is always the corporate news shows despite that fact that I almost never watch them.

No doubt that K & S have been given a massive boost by Rogan but Rogan himself is independent. He is independent and huge and yet he doesn't get much mention in the MSM either. There is a war going on between MSM and independent media. The MSM is struggling to maintain power to control the narrative.

One example was the famous line by NYT reporter Taylor Lorenz about how dangerous it was the people were having, and I quote, "unfettered conversations" on Clubhouse. Another was CNN's Brian Stelter's recent famous line about how bad it was that so many Youtubers are becoming big. People have the option of watching other things and thus they're tuning out MSM and the reaction of the MSM is basically "How dare you," as if the MSM is entitled to have viewers even if they put on a lousy show.

By the way, K&S's first appearance on Rogan, in June 2020, was how I first learned that Andrew Cuomo sent elderly COVID patients back into nursing homes, thereby causing thousands of deaths. At the same time last year the MSM was turning Cuomo into a saint. Lots of people still have no idea that Cuomo sent elderly COVID patients back into nursing homes. If a plane crashes or a building collapses then that is automatic news, but when it comes to political-type stuff, what becomes news is what the MSM DECIDES they will emphasize. But so many people are so fed up with the MSM and going elsewhere for their news that that model is finally starting to crack a bit.

 

[op2]

I've never had a problem telling truth from fiction but others aren't so fortunate. The press is pro-truth and Trump is anti-truth so they are at odds. Trump calls the media fake because they report the truth about him. I can understand the pushback by the press.

The press is pro-money and pro-power for the press and Trump is pro-money and pro-power for Trump.

The press reports some truth about Trump but they also don't hesitate to lie about him. The best line I heard about Trump was from Matt Taibbi, an actual journalist, unlike anyone on network or cable news. His line was "Trump is both they most lying President and the most lied about President ever."

All the cable news channels openly have a business model of pushing hatred and division and they're that way because it makes them money.

 

[dave]

The press is pro-money and pro-power for the press and Trump is pro-money and pro-power for Trump.

The press reports some truth about Trump but they also don't hesitate to lie about him. The best line I heard about Trump was from Matt Taibbi, an actual journalist, unlike anyone on network or cable news. His line was "Trump is both they most lying President and the most lied about President ever."

All the cable news channels openly have a business model of pushing hatred and division and they're that way because it makes them money.

Division is also their friend. Imagine what happens to them if Americans come after them as a united people?

 

[op2]

Division is also their friend. Imagine what happens to them if Americans come after them as a united people?

A recurring theme in K&S's show, and I think they're correct, is that the elites benefit by having the rest of the people at each others throats. One good way to control people and get their attention way from their real problems is to get them to fight each other.

 

[JWG66]

I've never had a problem telling truth from fiction but others aren't so fortunate. The press is pro-truth and Trump is anti-truth so they are at odds. Trump calls the media fake because they report the truth about him. I can understand the pushback by the press.

Trump has his own truth. But it matches my core beliefs more closely than Hiden Biden’s does. And certainly more than MSM’s who mostly prints opinions instead of news.