So Let me get this straight
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Yeah that's what I heard, couple of other even more minor something about using a car for personal reasons and not paying a tax on that time and one other crazy charge. A lawyer who read the charges said in his 50 years of practicing he has never heard of charges on something like this, said the IRS never would nor never has charged anyone with something like this.
Majority of these cases are handled by saying you screwed up on your tax return. Fix it and pay your fine. This is KGB tactics.
Here's thing from what I heard they aren't even sure they were taxable in the first place. So there might no be anything there.
Show me the man and I will show you crime. This was a referral from Mueller's Team. They have been on a political search and destroy mission while making a joke out of our institutions.
If you would like to read the actual charges rather than a media outlet's summary of them, here's the link:
indictment document
It wasn't just parking fees. Among other things, $1.1 million of untaxed income resulting from paymenybof rent and exxpenses, faailed to pay $200,000+ of NY income taxes, failed to pay taxes on $359,000 of compensation for tuition payments, faailed to pay tax on compensation of $200,000 in form of car lease payments for Mercedes, falsification of records, etc. Anyway, read the court document and read what is actually alleged, if you like.
Are the charges valid? Up to a jury to evaluate the proof.
indictment document
It wasn't just parking fees. Among other things, $1.1 million of untaxed income resulting from paymenybof rent and exxpenses, faailed to pay $200,000+ of NY income taxes, failed to pay taxes on $359,000 of compensation for tuition payments, faailed to pay tax on compensation of $200,000 in form of car lease payments for Mercedes, falsification of records, etc. Anyway, read the court document and read what is actually alleged, if you like.
Are the charges valid? Up to a jury to evaluate the proof.
There are several examples of this with Obama. One paid a fine the other gets political prosecuted.
Ok I read all the charges I am no tax lawyer and NYC can be pretty strange but this is what I know about my experience in the business world. I will go through just a few for time sake.
The apartment-I have stayed in a corporate apartment many times and know many others who have done so, most corporations keep apartments for that very thing. Never was taxable income.
The holiday expense-He was in a leadership position with the company. You will not find a leader in a large corporation that doesn't have a holiday expense account. It is not taxable in fact it is tax deductible for the corporation. Same with the other expense account. I had a boss who spent $25K one night entertaining clients and a company VP at the Bunny Ranch. The only question was it tax deductible for the company not whether it was taxable income for my boss.
The car lease. If this was considered taxable income than every executive down to most service technicians would be paying taxes on them-they aren't again it is a tax write off for the company that is the whole reason they lease instead of buy.
I'm not sure about the tuition but i have heard of companies paying for employees family tuition.
As far as owning a house outside of NYC while living in a NYC apartment most of the time, thus claiming residency outside of NYC.-But when he sold his house outside of NYC he started claiming NYC as his residence. Knowing NYC that could be a possible crime, they tried to tax Rush Limbaugh NYC taxes for 10 years after moving to Florida, saying he still had a apartment in NYC never made anyone of them stick.
Finally all this crap about the Trump organization keeping internal records on these expense without putting them on a W-2 is perfectly normal business. You keep the internal records so that you know exactly how much each employee is costing the corporation. Companies do that for every employee from CEO to laborer on the floor. For the labor they don't say well his salary is $15/hr and that is how much he costs the company. Before they even hire him they add 20%-30% for indirect costs.
Seems to me this is nonsense, but it is NYC so they could make something stick.
The apartment-I have stayed in a corporate apartment many times and know many others who have done so, most corporations keep apartments for that very thing. Never was taxable income.
The holiday expense-He was in a leadership position with the company. You will not find a leader in a large corporation that doesn't have a holiday expense account. It is not taxable in fact it is tax deductible for the corporation. Same with the other expense account. I had a boss who spent $25K one night entertaining clients and a company VP at the Bunny Ranch. The only question was it tax deductible for the company not whether it was taxable income for my boss.
The car lease. If this was considered taxable income than every executive down to most service technicians would be paying taxes on them-they aren't again it is a tax write off for the company that is the whole reason they lease instead of buy.
I'm not sure about the tuition but i have heard of companies paying for employees family tuition.
As far as owning a house outside of NYC while living in a NYC apartment most of the time, thus claiming residency outside of NYC.-But when he sold his house outside of NYC he started claiming NYC as his residence. Knowing NYC that could be a possible crime, they tried to tax Rush Limbaugh NYC taxes for 10 years after moving to Florida, saying he still had a apartment in NYC never made anyone of them stick.
Finally all this crap about the Trump organization keeping internal records on these expense without putting them on a W-2 is perfectly normal business. You keep the internal records so that you know exactly how much each employee is costing the corporation. Companies do that for every employee from CEO to laborer on the floor. For the labor they don't say well his salary is $15/hr and that is how much he costs the company. Before they even hire him they add 20%-30% for indirect costs.
Seems to me this is nonsense, but it is NYC so they could make something stick.
And the fact is this stuff is tax related. Not a criminal act. It’s a shame the libs have reached a bee low to maintain power.
I wish I could triple like this post. It’s hilarious what passes for legal action. This is more process crime ********.
i know of a lawyer in WV who went to jail and had his law license suspended (disbarred i think, but not sure) for not paying taxes. it can be a criminal matter.
Yes it could be a criminal matter and people go to jail every year for tax fraud, but this wasn't fraud it was normal American business. The only thing that could be considered fraud was him not claiming residency in NYC, but that is not a federal or a state issue. There are dozens of people from California who bought a house in Nevada just to claim residency and save on taxes, Ca might come after them some day but it is not a federal issue as the federal taxes don't change.
I don't think anyone really disagrees with that. It's the selective enforcement.
Pospecteer said it wasn't (". . . this stuff is tax related. Not a criminal act."). just trying to clarify in response.
My point is there are threads on this board ranging from left to right showing people in the Orbit of the Clinton Foundation, Obama, and Biden doing the same thing or something similar. Yet those are hardly pursued. Even liberals should be getting tired of this crap.
Don't see it as anything other than a political persecution until we see some equal justice.
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If a politician (from any party) is doing something illegal, prosecute them. Regardless of their party affiliation. Repubs just had the White House and the Justice Dept for 4 years. The Repubs appointed special investigators/prosecutors to investigate things. There is no question that both parties are tribal. If Durham (sp.) found something illegal in his investigation, pursue it. But if one prosecutor decides to not pursue illegal activity, that doesn't mean some other prosecutor is banned from enforcing laws.
If the Clintons have masterminded murders, if the Clintons run a sex trafficking ring out of a D.C. pizza joint, if Biden sexually assaults women, if Pelosi and Schumer, et als., are doing illegal stuff, if Trump broke the law, if Gaetz dallied with women before their time, etc., prosecute them. The incessant harping about this stuff is just a bunch of buffalo breath on the wind. As a moderate, middle-of-the-road voter who leans Right on some issues and leans Left on some issues, i'm pretty freaking tired of the yipping and yapping by both sides. Not that it matters one bit what i think.
I never pay taxes on all the extras I get from contractors, gas cards, car rentals, motel rooms & nights out that they pay for , hell my last superintendent would pay my lot rent out of petty cash & I was getting 140.00 a day perdium
Not paying taxes and using debatable tax practices is apples to hand grenades....They paid their taxes...This is really a bad look for America....it's that simple
I guess you must of been a fan of that Q stuff. I posted a link about the Clinton's cheating on their taxes and hardly giving money they collected to the people that actually needed it. I didn't say anything about the Clintons running a pedo ring. Australia kicked the Clinton Foundation out of their country. The Foundation is currently under investigation here. However if Garland won't allow them to be charged then we don't have equal justice. Instead of claiming you lean left and right just admit you're Anti-Trump and you don't mind seeing the Justice System abused to take out a political enemy.
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You notice how they want to label everyone who read the QPUB a conspiracy nutjob. I didn't mention any conspiracy theories. I stated fact that Hunter Biden and the Clintons were involved in shady business practices and the DOJ obviously agreed because they opened up investigations on both. Still waiting for equal justice that anyone being honest can see is not happening.
Now to put the Q stuff to bed for good. The Democrats don't get to have it both ways. I know damn well they were following the Q drops too. I warned everyone is was a Pysop and they should do their own research and not to rely on others to do it for them. Why ? Because Democrat operatives were putting out wild *** conspiracy theories and working as controlled opposition. I pointed that some of the information on the QPUB was absolutely legit. How do I know that ? Because the information came from the DOD, DOJ, FBI, ATF, U.S. Marshals, DEA, Local government official websites, etc. So before calling people conspiracy theory nutjobs maybe they should ask themselves do they believe. .gov was in on it the whole time. Of course not that's insane. Some of the information was definitely conspiracy theory stuff that had more theroy than conspiracy. For the Democrats to pretend they weren't following it is laughable and dishonest. I could see MSM and posters on here running counter narrative operations on information dropped but would pretend they weren't following it.
Q had a huge draw and pulling in conspiracy nutjobs from all angles. D and R and Libratarians. All kinds of conspiracy nuts pushong their crazy onto every Q drop out there even if the drop was never related. Smartest thing Q taught was ignore the media and do your own research.
I didn't/don't have problem with people following it. I think I was fair in private conversations with some you guys in just be cautious with the entire thing. I just think its funny now when people try to call people conspiracy theory nutjobs for following it when alot of the information was from official .Gov and .Mil official sites. It can't be both. Else some of the information was legit or you believe .GOV and .Mil was in on it. If it's two it's time to see a mental health expert.
The majority of what the anti-Trump media were pushing was no different than some of the **** the Q crowd pushed. People still believe to their core that Russian Collusion was a thing. There are CIA memos detailing that it was a Clinton team op to distract from her very real and very illegal email scandal.
They were definitely following it and running counter narrative operations but some of the guys on here that posted information from the QPub are conspiracy theory nutjobs. You know because the DOD and DOJ are really Q. Hypocrisy at best or straight up being dishonest.
After a year in one location they try & tax it , so I get laid off for 1 week every 11 months if need be
I knew from the very beginning the Russia thing was a hoax. Putin owned the Clintons, what was it the Clinton foundation got $145M after Hillary approved the Uranium one deal. Putin also paid Bill $500K to come to Russia to give a speech. Putin didn't want a tough guy like Trump in the White House.
I also believed Putin had access to all of her emails that was on the illegal server, probably along with China, Iran and North Korea. Don't remember how many emails but Hillary destroy 10,000s email and took a hammer to the phone and computer for a reason. There was probably more than enough to blackmail her any time he wanted, and if he truly wanted Trump in office it would be drip, drip and more drip.
What pisses me off more that anything is while Comey was making excuses for Hillary and all the TS/SCI information she comprised his FBI sent a sailor to prison for 5 years for having some pics on his phone of a Nuke sub engine room that was only classified as secret. Total BS.