Leftists at that time were desperate for anything they could blame on Trump. Nothing's changed.
Floyd-Chauvin Case - what's your thought on the outcome
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Leftists at that time were desperate for anything they could blame on Trump. Nothing's changed.
Any treatment on that low life was wasted resources. He was death waiting to happen. The amount of drugs he had in his system was enough to kill the 4 officers around him. This type of person isn't someone to get all that upset about. The young man in Georgia, Ahmad Aubrey is someone who's death should be protested.
Screamed it over and over sitting upright in the cruiser while he was freaking out. They pulled him out of the cruiser so he didn’t hurt himself and then put him on the ground where he again was going batshit. Then the knee to keep him still, as a crowd began to form. Then, the officers began keeping him restrained on the ground while tending to the crowd as it was becoming more “involved”.
It’s also a common tactic of criminals to scream so they can be taken to the hospital instead of the police station. This idiot was no stranger to being arrested.
The video I saw showed Floyd walking out of the store and going to his car and then coming back and sitting at the base of the wall outside of the store. Then the cops showed up in two vehicles, one a cruiser and one a SUV. They speak to Floyd for a few minutes and then you see a 3rd car come in across the street and on the next block. From there Floyd was detained and walked/drug across the street to the 3rd car to where the video of him being choked was shot. They walked past a police SUV to try to stuff a big man in the back of a cop car. That doesn’t make sense. There are several other things I have mentioned previously that make no sense either.
This was a surveillance video from a business to the left from where he passed the counterfeit money.
I posted this back in August and my opinion of the case hasn't changed....
Aug 5, 2020
Well, with the video and the fact that he had enough Fentanyl in his body to kill him, it does bring questions. Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe LONG before the officer put his knee on Floyd's neck. That's what the video clearly shows. Fentanyl slows the heart and restricts breathing. A very powerful opioid. It's like morphine but twice as powerful.
Did the Fentanyl kill him? Did the cop kill him? Was a mixture of both?
The fact that Fentanyl will kill you by slowing your heart rate and suffocate you along with the fact that he was complaining about not being able to breathe several minutes before they held him to the ground while resisting the whole time, is there enough for the defense to bring about reasonable doubt?
The video and other facts that just come out definitely changes things. I don't know all of the facts, but I think there is enough to where they can't convict all of the officers. I also think there's a chance the officer who used his knee may get out of murder or manslaughter. At most, I think he gets involuntary manslaughter. Clearly there was no racial motive.
I think there's a slight chance he'll be exonerated. It's a shame today's America doesn't follow our justice system. Nowadays it's guilty until proven innocent. Lots of recent examples of it as well.
Aug 5, 2020
Well, with the video and the fact that he had enough Fentanyl in his body to kill him, it does bring questions. Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe LONG before the officer put his knee on Floyd's neck. That's what the video clearly shows. Fentanyl slows the heart and restricts breathing. A very powerful opioid. It's like morphine but twice as powerful.
Did the Fentanyl kill him? Did the cop kill him? Was a mixture of both?
The fact that Fentanyl will kill you by slowing your heart rate and suffocate you along with the fact that he was complaining about not being able to breathe several minutes before they held him to the ground while resisting the whole time, is there enough for the defense to bring about reasonable doubt?
The video and other facts that just come out definitely changes things. I don't know all of the facts, but I think there is enough to where they can't convict all of the officers. I also think there's a chance the officer who used his knee may get out of murder or manslaughter. At most, I think he gets involuntary manslaughter. Clearly there was no racial motive.
I think there's a slight chance he'll be exonerated. It's a shame today's America doesn't follow our justice system. Nowadays it's guilty until proven innocent. Lots of recent examples of it as well.
Way better video was either released or leaked. Changes the narrative quite a bit.
All it takes is reasonable doubt. In that video, there was certainly enough to give the officer the benefit of the doubt, at least in my mind. I have a slightly different perspective just based on my experiences and actually understand how quickly things can spiral out of control in milliseconds.
Did they have the video of him holding a pregnant women at gunpoint while he robed her? He wasn't worth spit.
Like most Americans I was outraged when I first seen the video. But when the full body cam came out it was a entirely different picture of what happened that day. Keith Ellison could have calmed down everything right away by releasing the full body cam, but he wanted this to happen.
Chavin gets off if it is any type of fair trail. GF said he couldn't breath while sitting in the cop car-he asked to be put on the ground and the officers complied. Personally I think he had already began to crash (can't think of the official term) and they say once you begin to crash on these types of drugs there is nothing or at least very little you can do to stop someone from dying. Like someone said earlier he enough drugs in him to kill a horse, sadly they could have let him walk away and GF would have still died that day. Like many have said I normally side with the cops but this time at first I didn't, however as more information came out my view has changed 180 degrees, still open to hear both sides, but where I stand right now this is all on GF
Chavin gets off if it is any type of fair trail. GF said he couldn't breath while sitting in the cop car-he asked to be put on the ground and the officers complied. Personally I think he had already began to crash (can't think of the official term) and they say once you begin to crash on these types of drugs there is nothing or at least very little you can do to stop someone from dying. Like someone said earlier he enough drugs in him to kill a horse, sadly they could have let him walk away and GF would have still died that day. Like many have said I normally side with the cops but this time at first I didn't, however as more information came out my view has changed 180 degrees, still open to hear both sides, but where I stand right now this is all on GF
Not disagreeing at all. I am of the belief this was all a set up to cause a cultural/racial issue.
When you see the sealed body cam footage the government wanted, and got, sealed, you will see many of the answers to your questions. somehow the British media Star got its hands on it and published it. Select media were allowed to view the footage but not copy or report on it...supposedly to preserve the fairness of the trial. IMO, it was done to prevent another “oops” moment where BLM spent months destroying a town in Missouri then slipped away silently into the night when it was proven their claims were false.
like any judge will tell you, the surveillance footage often sets the scene but the body cameras tell you what happened.
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Defense. What it really addresses are the homicide charges. If he couldn’t breath when seated in the squad car with no knee on him, was it the knee or something else that restricted his breathing? All it takes is 1 juror to be unsure. And with the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s system and the symptom of a fentanyl overdose is respiratory failure....
Also, Recall the Floyd family/naacp/BLM hired Dr. Baden to conduct an IME After the state’s expert opined the officers didn’t kill Floyd. The humor is by sealing that video, Dr. Baden never got to see it before rendering his opinion. Now, at trial he has to explain how the knee made Floyd unable to breathe when Floyd was already complaining of being unable to breathe long before he was even on the ground. It makes the prosecution‘s star witness look like a hack paid to provide the opinions his clients wanted.
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Two new jurors were chosen Wednesday to serve during the trial, an immigrant from Africa and a man who has a wedding planned May 1.
The two additions mean a total of five jurors have been chosen thus far: four men and a woman.
The first juror chosen Wednesday was a man who told the court he works as a sales manager and said he and his fiancé planned a wedding in Florida with about 30 friends and family. He said serving on the jury would be an inconvenience, but if chosen, he'd make accommodations and "would probably operate under the fact that if I'm on this jury, I will not be able to get married on that date."
After chosen to serve, Judge Peter Cahill told the man to "throw me under the bus with your fiance," leading to laughs in the courtroom and the man replying, "I will."
The man said he supported Black Lives Matter and had an overall negative perception of the Blue Lives Matter movement, which he said he views as a "ripoff" of Black Lives Matter.
The two additions mean a total of five jurors have been chosen thus far: four men and a woman.
The first juror chosen Wednesday was a man who told the court he works as a sales manager and said he and his fiancé planned a wedding in Florida with about 30 friends and family. He said serving on the jury would be an inconvenience, but if chosen, he'd make accommodations and "would probably operate under the fact that if I'm on this jury, I will not be able to get married on that date."
After chosen to serve, Judge Peter Cahill told the man to "throw me under the bus with your fiance," leading to laughs in the courtroom and the man replying, "I will."
The man said he supported Black Lives Matter and had an overall negative perception of the Blue Lives Matter movement, which he said he views as a "ripoff" of Black Lives Matter.
There are only so many challenges each side can make during voir dire. I think 6 for this level of charge. SoCo can correct me if I’m wrong. This guy as a Sales Manager is likely a deliberative person not easily given to emotion. There is a reason why he wasn’t challenged even given his feelings towards BLM.
Interesting testimony yesterday from State witnesses - was that even after the paramedics arrived and checked Floyd for a carotid pulse, Chauvin had still not removed his knee until Floyd was lifted up onto the gurney. This raises an interesting question. That is, if the paramedic was able to touch Floyd’s carotid pulse without Chauvin having to move his knee, then clearly Chauvin’s knee was not placed on Floyd’s carotid artery and could not have been occluding carotid blood flow.
Noone should die like that man did. He was a human being. That was murder plain and simple. Lock that cop away for good.
State witnesses and the prosecution are not really helping their case through two days.
- MMA witness - while he didn't concede it (defense witness will probably) it takes pressure on both sides of the carotid artery for an effective blood choke. Chauvin only had pressure on one side.
- MMA witness - agreed that an effective choke hold would cause loss of consciousness in seconds. Meanwhile Chauvin had his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes...and Floyd was talking the entire time.
Of an overdose from fentanyl, ingested when he thought he was getting arrested, because he was attempting to pass counterfeit money?
Yea, I agree. Stop breaking the law, ********!
What about Floyd's due process? It went out the window when he was murdered on the street by a cop.
People's minds are already made up and they have been since last May. No facts will change that.
Yet somehow we are going to pretend there can be a fair trial despite this.
He did have three times the amount of Fentanyl needed to kill him in his system. I don't think there's anyway Chauvin isn't convicted. Whether he should for a human pos like him is a whole different question.
The store clerk testified today that he thought Floyd was high and behaving strangely. Same suspicion the police officers had when they first encountered Floyd. Also, there apparently is a 10 minute security video inside the store showing Floyd acting oddly, including dancing.
And these are the prosecution's witnesses.
I hadn't heard any of today's testimony. Based on day 1 and day 2, I'm not too sue the prosecution is up to the task on this one...at least if things are being based on facts and not emotions.
A drug addict dancing and acting strangely? I'm shocked. Just glad he didn't pull a gun and hold it on a pregnant woman that he was trying to rob. "My daddy going to change the world!" No he's not, just another coked up addict in a large city.
I am, and have been of the opinion that these are for show cases. The Zimmerman one, Freddie Grey, and now this one. All hell was breaking loose, so they opted to charge a weak case knowing they couldn’t win. It stops the rioting, shows the Govt marginally gives a ****, and fuels the movement regardless of outcome, of which, I think they intentionally tank. Either outcome, they have a narrative to fuel the mob with. As someone else said, it’s either a racist system or a racist cop ergo, system.
No real pressure on the DA to win, they just have to show the people they “tried”, and then blame the system. They look tough, and try to pivot off of it for higher office. In this specific case, Ellison, I’m not sure what he wants, but maybe it’s Governorship. I know in Baltimore, the Mosby’s, Nick and Marilyn, wanted the Gov mansion and more.
I haven't concluded if they are merely doing a dog and pony show to appease the masses because they know their case is weak. I'm glad the Ferguson prosecutor's office took a historically different approach and went public with the grand jury information.
Then again, they could know their case is weak and prey on emotion and the fact that everyone already has their minds made up for a result.
Then again, they might believe they have a strong case.
Who knows.
I'm Glad the prosectuors in Ferguson had some balls. I can count the number of times Grand Jury evidence has been public on 1 hand. They went public and aired the BLM ******** for everyone to see. It was beautiful.
Nope. He didn't have a chance to go to court.
I agree completely that Floyd was a criminal and high on drugs. But surely they could have done something different than putting a knee on that mans neck?