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DvlDog4WVU

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well you and the rest of the "know it all" people sure like that socialism when it comes to subsidies for businesses. More doled out in corporate welfare than to the needy but kid yourself.
Get rid of them. Works for me. As long as you and the rest of the Bernie Bots disappear with them.
 

NYC_Eer

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Are you basing the 21% on gross earnings or net? Factoring in any itemized operating expenses? Let’s put it to a very simple scenario.

Let’s say I own a charter fishing business. I charge $2500 a day for my charter 160 days a year bringing my revenue to $400k. Is that what you think I should be paying 21% on?

Now, what if I told you that my daily operating costs were $1500 for fuel, bait, ice, and food? That leaves $1000 a charter. My $400k just went to $160k. Pay a Captain, $60k . Down to $100k. Figure half of that for dock fees, insurance, and MX costs for the boat and tackle.

$50k, is that what I should be paying 21% on?

Now extrapolate that out to large businesses. They’re reducing their corporate taxes by internal investments. The entity, if you think about it is paying a lot of taxes. All of the people they’re employing are paying income taxes. The CEOs turning profits (taxes) for their shareholders (taxes), your 401k (taxed when you retire), and oh, providing healthcare? All services these evil corporations are providing.

You people are dangerous to this country.
No one has ever said businesses should pay taxes on revenue. It’s based on net profit. Congratulations. You are aware companies have expenses. Your point?

And no...the entity is not paying taxes as you say. It’s employees are. Those are personal income taxes...obviously not corporate taxes. One has nothing to do with the other. I own several businesses, which employ several hundred employees. Even I have never claimed the companies paid a bunch of taxes because I or my employees did. That is ridiculous. Taxes were paid...yes, but the company still has to pay their fair share.

Sounds like you’ve read about business. You obviously haven’t owned one...at least not a good one based on the margins of your shifty fishing business.

Corporations, including mine, are offering those services either to entice people to work for it (corporation benefits from that too) or because government mandates it. It’s certainly not out of the kindness of the corporations’ hearts.

There is nothing wrong with most businesses, but there certainly is something wrong with many...led by those that don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country.
 

oceantide83

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No one has ever said businesses should pay taxes on revenue. It’s based on net profit. Congratulations. You are aware companies have expenses. Your point?

And no...the entity is not paying taxes as you say. It’s employees are. Those are personal income taxes...obviously not corporate taxes. One has nothing to do with the other. I own several businesses, which employ several hundred employees. Even I have never claimed the companies paid a bunch of taxes because I or my employees did. That is ridiculous. Taxes were paid...yes, but the company still has to pay their fair share.

Sounds like you’ve read about business. You obviously haven’t owned one...at least not a good one based on the margins of your shifty fishing business.

Corporations, including mine, are offering those services either to entice people to work for it (corporation benefits from that too) or because government mandates it. It’s certainly not out of the kindness of the corporations’ hearts.

There is nothing wrong with most businesses, but there certainly is something wrong with many...led by those that don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country.
Instead of arguing for a company to pay their fair share of taxes, why aren't you arguing against the government for making you pay so much more in taxes? Why aren't you complaining against the Federal Reserve which prints money out the wazoo, devaluing our currency? Why should we even pay taxes when they are allowed to do that? That's not to even mention the fraudulent practice of fractional reserve banking.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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No one has ever said businesses should pay taxes on revenue. It’s based on net profit. Congratulations. You are aware companies have expenses. Your point?

And no...the entity is not paying taxes as you say. It’s employees are. Those are personal income taxes...obviously not corporate taxes. One has nothing to do with the other. I own several businesses, which employ several hundred employees. Even I have never claimed the companies paid a bunch of taxes because I or my employees did. That is ridiculous. Taxes were paid...yes, but the company still has to pay their fair share.

Sounds like you’ve read about business. You obviously haven’t owned one...at least not a good one based on the margins of your shifty fishing business.

Corporations, including mine, are offering those services either to entice people to work for it (corporation benefits from that too) or because government mandates it. It’s certainly not out of the kindness of the corporations’ hearts.

There is nothing wrong with most businesses, but there certainly is something wrong with many...led by those that don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country.
Hahaha, I don’t own a fishing business, yet. And yes, I also own several small businesses. Real estate mostly, but some other stuff as well. I also do extremely well for myself. I wasn’t trying to say that through payroll they’re paying taxes. My point is that these “greedy” companies employ people who pay taxes as well, that employment of people who pay taxes is a benefit to all.

Fair share is a farce. If they’re not paying what they’re legally entitled to, then fine the **** out of them and arrest the corporate officers. Are you saying they’re hiding vast sums of money from the Govt? Publicly traded companies? And I’m the fool?

Change the tax codes if you don’t like it. If they’re paying their taxes per the codes, then they’re paying their fair share. If you’re proclaiming otherwise, you’re a liar. Everyone of means and ability tries to lessen the tax burden. If that means strategically running your business to advance that end, it’s legal, and by definition of legality, it’s fair.
 

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All the dumb libs talking about greed yet that want China to manufacturer **** stuff so they can buyer cheaper products. F Uck the American worker. But they're not greedy
 

mule_eer

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Hahaha, I don’t own a fishing business, yet. And yes, I also own several small businesses. Real estate mostly, but some other stuff as well. I also do extremely well for myself. I wasn’t trying to say that through payroll they’re paying taxes. My point is that these “greedy” companies employ people who pay taxes as well, that employment of people who pay taxes is a benefit to all.

Fair share is a farce. If they’re not paying what they’re legally entitled to, then fine the **** out of them and arrest the corporate officers. Are you saying they’re hiding vast sums of money from the Govt? Publicly traded companies? And I’m the fool?

Change the tax codes if you don’t like it. If they’re paying their taxes per the codes, then they’re paying their fair share. If you’re proclaiming otherwise, you’re a liar. Everyone of means and ability tries to lessen the tax burden. If that means strategically running your business to advance that end, it’s legal, and by definition of legality, it’s fair.
We operate in this country mostly on employer provided health insurance. I understand that's a bigger issue for small businesses, the cost eats up all the margins. A company like Walmart limits hours so they don't need to provide health insurance and doesn't pay well enough to keep folks off government assistance in many cases. I have a problem with that model. We are subsidizing their profits by taking care of their employees. I'm not sure what the best solution is to counter that problem. It is a problem though.
 

Mntneer

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well you and the rest of the "know it all" people sure like that socialism when it comes to subsidies for businesses. More doled out in corporate welfare than to the needy but kid yourself.

By subsidies, do you mean tax incentives that allow corporations to keep more of their earned money, or subsidies that allow consumers to purchase more (ie, solar tax credits).
 

Mntneer

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No one has ever said businesses should pay taxes on revenue. It’s based on net profit. Congratulations. You are aware companies have expenses. Your point?

And no...the entity is not paying taxes as you say. It’s employees are. Those are personal income taxes...obviously not corporate taxes. One has nothing to do with the other. I own several businesses, which employ several hundred employees. Even I have never claimed the companies paid a bunch of taxes because I or my employees did. That is ridiculous. Taxes were paid...yes, but the company still has to pay their fair share.

Sounds like you’ve read about business. You obviously haven’t owned one...at least not a good one based on the margins of your shifty fishing business.

Corporations, including mine, are offering those services either to entice people to work for it (corporation benefits from that too) or because government mandates it. It’s certainly not out of the kindness of the corporations’ hearts.

There is nothing wrong with most businesses, but there certainly is something wrong with many...led by those that don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country.

Businesses pay what the code forces them to pay. Period. Don't like it, change the code. The point you glossed over of Dog's post was that even those corporations that are paying little in corporate income tax, they are still generating revenue that some of which will find its way to other forms of taxes from local to state to federal.

Want to voluntarily pay more? I can give you the link to do so. But don't lecture to the rest of us successful business owners that would like to be able to keep as much of our hard earned money as we can.

"People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country." I agree 100%. That's why I find these idiots clamoring for a $15 minimum wage adorable.
 

WVUCOOPER

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That's why I find these idiots clamoring for a $15 minimum wage adorable.
Quite telling of our current times that Florida is becoming much, much more republican and they OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the $15 minimum wage. Next we'll have conservatives in support of tariffs! Dogs and cats living together. MASS HYSTERIA
 

DvlDog4WVU

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We operate in this country mostly on employer provided health insurance. I understand that's a bigger issue for small businesses, the cost eats up all the margins. A company like Walmart limits hours so they don't need to provide health insurance and doesn't pay well enough to keep folks off government assistance in many cases. I have a problem with that model. We are subsidizing their profits by taking care of their employees. I'm not sure what the best solution is to counter that problem. It is a problem though.
Jumping to healthcare, I was talking about mandatory minimum wage increases and how that would kill small businesses who don’t have the base.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Quite telling of our current times that Florida is becoming much, much more republican and they OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the $15 minimum wage. Next we'll have conservatives in support of tariffs! Dogs and cats living together. MASS HYSTERIA
Not surprising.

They want to kill services industry or jack up prices across sectors on all goods or kill small businesses or just rebaseline where poor is. It’s one, a combo, or all of those, whether they know it or not. The one reality is that it won’t fix the problem they’re trying to fix. UBI will be next. Socialist policy failed? More socialism!!!!!
 

mule_eer

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Jumping to healthcare, I was talking about mandatory minimum wage increases and how that would kill small businesses who don’t have the base.
Fair, but the overall point is that some large corporations, Wal-Mart being a prime example, are subsidized by the tax payers because the wages paid are too low for those people to be on anything but Medicaid. Their hours are also limited do they don't qualify for insurance benefits. We're not paying for that at the register, but we are paying for it.
 

mule_eer

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Not surprising.

They want to kill services industry or jack up prices across sectors on all goods or kill small businesses or just rebaseline where poor is. It’s one, a combo, or all of those, whether they know it or not. The one reality is that it won’t fix the problem they’re trying to fix. UBI will be next. Socialist policy failed? More socialism!!!!!
UBI only works if that replaces a lot of other programs: welfare, unemployment, probably social security.
 

NYC_Eer

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Businesses pay what the code forces them to pay. Period. Don't like it, change the code. The point you glossed over of Dog's post was that even those corporations that are paying little in corporate income tax, they are still generating revenue that some of which will find its way to other forms of taxes from local to state to federal.

Want to voluntarily pay more? I can give you the link to do so. But don't lecture to the rest of us successful business owners that would like to be able to keep as much of our hard earned money as we can.

"People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country." I agree 100%. That's why I find these idiots clamoring for a $15 minimum wage adorable.
Small business is different than large corporations. Very few small businesses get away w/ utilizing tax loopholes. I'm not saying small businesses should be paying more in taxes. I am saying that large corporations like the Trump Corporation and Amazon should be.

I didn't miss that part of his post. I said its ********. Local to state to federal. Those are taxes people are paying not the company. If they didn't work for that company they would work for another and still pay their own taxes. I don't claim credit for the taxes my employees pay. That's ridiculous.

That said I'm not clamoring for a $15 min wage. It actually doesn't bother me if they mandate it federally, because I'm already mandated to pay that on a state level. I'm at $14/hr now ($15/hr for employees in NYC) and that will be $15/hr as of Jan 1 across the board. I've been fine, because I'm generally paying more than that any way except for some positions and I've increased my rates to offset the cost. That hasn't affected my business, but it has affected my customers.
 

Airport

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Quite telling of our current times that Florida is becoming much, much more republican and they OVERWHELMINGLY voted for the $15 minimum wage. Next we'll have conservatives in support of tariffs! Dogs and cats living together. MASS HYSTERIA
Don't forget people claiming Black Lives Matter as they go out and lay waste to the neighborhood.
 

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No one has ever said businesses should pay taxes on revenue. It’s based on net profit. Congratulations. You are aware companies have expenses. Your point?

And no...the entity is not paying taxes as you say. It’s employees are. Those are personal income taxes...obviously not corporate taxes. One has nothing to do with the other. I own several businesses, which employ several hundred employees. Even I have never claimed the companies paid a bunch of taxes because I or my employees did. That is ridiculous. Taxes were paid...yes, but the company still has to pay their fair share.

Sounds like you’ve read about business. You obviously haven’t owned one...at least not a good one based on the margins of your shifty fishing business.

Corporations, including mine, are offering those services either to entice people to work for it (corporation benefits from that too) or because government mandates it. It’s certainly not out of the kindness of the corporations’ hearts.

There is nothing wrong with most businesses, but there certainly is something wrong with many...led by those that don’t pay their fair share of taxes.

People that act as they know what they’re talking about and don’t...especially in business...are dangerous to our country.

I can tell by this post you don't have any idea what the hell you are talking about...can you get your wife to respond...I might listen to what she has to say.
 
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DvlDog4WVU

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I've been fine, because I'm generally paying more than that any way except for some positions and I've increased my rates to offset the cost. That hasn't affected my business, but it has affected my customers.
This is the part those clamoring for $15 an hr don’t get.

It also costs $8-$10 for a domestic beer in NYC.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Not surprising.

They want to kill services industry or jack up prices across sectors on all goods or kill small businesses or just rebaseline where poor is. It’s one, a combo, or all of those, whether they know it or not. The one reality is that it won’t fix the problem they’re trying to fix. UBI will be next. Socialist policy failed? More socialism!!!!!
Current GOP = Current Bernie Bros After the $15 min wage kills min wage jobs, we will complain they sent errr jobs oversees and to the robots!

Kind of my point. It's surprising how far that's shifted in a fairly short amount of time. At least to me, anyway