Poll. Who won first debate?

Winner of 1st Debate?


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WVUBRU

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The winners of the debate are the people that didn't watch it. Last night, for the first time in a long time I watched more than snippets of a debate and as anyone else who watched can testify, it was a complete joke. Of course, I won't watch the next debates. Why should I?

Exactly
 

DvlDog4WVU

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The winners of the debate are the people that didn't watch it. Last night, for the first time in a long time I watched more than snippets of a debate and as anyone else who watched can testify, it was a complete joke. Of course, I won't watch the next debates. Why should I?

These debates aren't something that randomly happens. Someone put them on and has control over how they're conducted. Those people are the ultimate villains in this. How can events like this happen again and again?

First off they need time limits longer than two minutes. Next, they need a button to cut off the mic of the person who is not supposed to be talking. And third, they need to cut the mic of the person that is supposed to be talking when they wander off topic.

Rogan offered to have Trump and Biden on his show for a four hour discussion. It would be infinitely better than what we got last night. Last night is one more bullet in the nail of the mainstream establishment. THE ESTABLISHMENT PUT ON THAT EVENT LAST NIGHT!!! That is why people are sick of the establishment and tuning out of mainstream media. All over the country we have small operations with 1, 2, 3 people creating shows and putting discussion on the Internet that are light years better than what we saw last night.
Completely agree
 

JWG66

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'Ya know, reading your post it kinda pisses me off one of their votes counts as much as mine! I mean I can discuss in intimate detail the flaws and economic fallacies inherent in AOC's new green deal...half of that crowd you mentioned doesn't even know what it is? They probably think it's reparations for Blacks from past slavery or something. [eyeroll]

I'm ticked....I spend considerable amounts of time studying this sh*t and my informed vote gets cancelled out by an absentee ballot sent in by a dead person or some illegal from three States away!

Just Damn.
Biden doesn’t know his plan either. Wallace-fed it to him in his question. He also fed Biden service industry job growth numbers. Finally, Wallace tried to make Tulsa appear as unsafe as Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, Ferguson & Kenosha. Things have gone on longer and are 10X worse there. Very frustrating.
 
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MountaineerWV

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I don't think anyone "won" as much as the American voters "lost". This whole debate process...the moderator, the format, the ridiculous time limits for answering questions "two minutes, tell us how you are going to end man made climate change?"....the whole thing is just a performance charade for T-V vidiots. There was no substantive policy discussion between them because they spent the entire time calling each other "liar" or making unsubstantiated charges.

A better format would be like the old Lincoln-Douglas debates...where the two simply extemporaneously discuss their policy plans (without the self righteous moderator) in an open forum amicably using their command of the facts and their ability to articulate sound proscriptions on how they would run the country. I was bored 30 minutes into it.

Big waste of time for the voters who are already confused and ill informed because of the three ring circus reporting of the news media, which this was designed to fill as part of their ongoing freak show.

First, I didn't watch. But after reading about it online, the fact that we (Americans) have these TWO CLOWNS as our candidates is why I won't vote for either.
 

atlkvb

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First, I didn't watch. But after reading about it online, the fact that we (Americans) have these TWO CLOWNS as our candidates is why I won't vote for either.

I understand that MWV, but that position considering how stark the differences are between these two is irresponsible. I'm just lamenting the poor way we access our information to decide. Not voting isn't an answer.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I understand that MWV, but that position considering how stark the differences are between these two is irresponsible. I'm just lamenting the poor way we access our information to decide. Not voting isn't an answer.
I take it that he’s voting 3rd party or write in protest vote. It’s what I did last go around. I’m fine with that approach. I hope of a bunch of disenfranchised independents do that.
 

atlkvb

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I take it that he’s voting 3rd party or write in protest vote. It’s what I did last go around. I’m fine with that approach. I hope of a bunch of disenfranchised independents do that.

I don't know. I understand the frustration, but to me writing in a candidate who has no chance of winning simply assures one of these two has an easier path to victory. It's going to be one or the other, a write in candidate is a wasted vote IMO because they have zero chance to win.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I don't know. I understand the frustration, but to me writing in a candidate who has no chance of winning simply assures one of these two has an easier path to victory. It's going to be one or the other, a write in candidate is a wasted vote IMO because they have zero chance to win.
Right, but your vote is to not decide on who will win, it’s who you feel is best represents what you want. If neither candidate represents that, write in who you want. It’s for sure a wasted vote, but it’s yours to cast how you want. You don’t have to vote the lesser of 2 evils. I wrote in Reagan last election. Trump’s policy initiatives turned me to him this time around.
 

MountaineerWV

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I don't know. I understand the frustration, but to me writing in a candidate who has no chance of winning simply assures one of these two has an easier path to victory. It's going to be one or the other, a write in candidate is a wasted vote IMO because they have zero chance to win.

Why can't I vote for Trump? Because, I just cannot stand the man. I despise everything he is or says. My feelings for him date back to the 1980s. Now, if he had presented himself as more "presidential" and not pissing off (or on) everyone that disagrees with him, then maybe I could have. I voted for George W. I didn't agree with him, but I liked him better than Gore (I voted Clinton before). But I voted for Bush because I liked him, his personality. Trump is the guy that tries to start a fist fight with everyone, only to slip out the door once it gets going.
 

indyrockstar

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I don't know. I understand the frustration, but to me writing in a candidate who has no chance of winning simply assures one of these two has an easier path to victory. It's going to be one or the other, a write in candidate is a wasted vote IMO because they have zero chance to win.

It shouldn't be about who has the chance to win. It's a chance for every American to have their opinion count with a vote. IF both guys are truly clowns, then vote for the 3rd party. I would rather every person exercise their right to vote for someone they believe than worrying about who realistically has a chance of winning.
 

atlkvb

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It shouldn't be about who has the chance to win. It's a chance for every American to have their opinion count with a vote. IF both guys are truly clowns, then vote for the 3rd party. I would rather every person exercise their right to vote for someone they believe than worrying about who realistically has a chance of winning.

As I said I understand the sentiment, but why vote for someone who can't win? No one voting 3rd party can explain what that candidate's policies are or how they'd be implemented with either a Democrat or Republican Congress? It's just a protest vote.
 

atlkvb

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Why can't I vote for Trump? Because, I just cannot stand the man. I despise everything he is or says. My feelings for him date back to the 1980s. Now, if he had presented himself as more "presidential" and not pissing off (or on) everyone that disagrees with him, then maybe I could have. I voted for George W. I didn't agree with him, but I liked him better than Gore (I voted Clinton before). But I voted for Bush because I liked him, his personality. Trump is the guy that tries to start a fist fight with everyone, only to slip out the door once it gets going.

Trump responds to how he's treated. He's a brawler, and a fighter no doubt, but Americans who voted for his policies don't disagree with the results. Do you?
 

MountaineerWV

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As I said I understand the sentiment, but why vote for someone who can't win? No one voting 3rd party can explain what that candidate's policies are or how they'd be implemented with either a Democrat or Republican Congress? It's just a protest vote.

1. I'm fine with that
2. I think it's more than a "protest vote". It's my conscience as an American who is sick and tired of the division and constant bickering at the highest levels.......whether it be Trump or Pelosi or Schumer.......Hell, I may just write in Pence......I don't agree with him, but at least he isn't out there shouting from the rooftops and trying to spark a civil war.
 

atlkvb

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1. I'm fine with that
2. I think it's more than a "protest vote". It's my conscience as an American who is sick and tired of the division and constant bickering at the highest levels.......whether it be Trump or Pelosi or Schumer.......Hell, I may just write in Pence......I don't agree with him, but at least he isn't out there shouting from the rooftops and trying to spark a civil war.

Most voters are making their choice for the type of policies they want to see implemented. I'm surprised you cannot articulate the ones you prefer over what these two are offering?

Why not?
 

atlkvb

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1. I'm fine with that
2. I think it's more than a "protest vote". It's my conscience as an American who is sick and tired of the division and constant bickering at the highest levels.......whether it be Trump or Pelosi or Schumer.......Hell, I may just write in Pence......I don't agree with him, but at least he isn't out there shouting from the rooftops and trying to spark a civil war.

We have armed insurgents in the streets burning down buildings and shooting police in cold blood and you're worried about how Trump talks?

Zero credibility.
 

MountaineerWV

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Most voters are making their choice for the type of policies they want to see implemented. I'm surprised you cannot articulate the ones you prefer over what these two are offering?

Why not?

I'm sorry. I look at more than policies. Because in the end, the POTUS is nothing without Congress. I love America. I don't love division. Time for BOTH parties to go to their timeout chairs.......at least for me.
 

atlkvb

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I'm sorry. I look at more than policies. Because in the end, the POTUS is nothing without Congress. I love America. I don't love division. Time for BOTH parties to go to their timeout chairs.......at least for me.

I vote for policies, not personalities.
 

indyrockstar

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I vote for policies, not personalities.

A lot of people are going to vote off personalities. 'Merica

If I had to guess, 50% of voters don't know what either side stands for other than the behavior shown on TV. Some people love Trump being obnoxious. Others don't. It seems Trump strategy is to take that approach (basing on debate from yesterday) and try to be the Prez again.

editing...

This reminds me of Conor McGregor tactics.
 

atlkvb

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A lot of people are going to vote off personalities. 'Merica

If I had to guess, 50% of voters don't know what either side stands for other than the behavior shown on TV. Some people love Trump being obnoxious. Others don't. It seems Trump strategy is to take that approach (basing on debate from yesterday) and try to be the Prez again.

editing...

This reminds me of Conor McGregor tactics.

A good portion of what you say here is true, primarily because the media only focuses on personalities. However once the elected Representatives get to D.C. they vote on p-o-l-i-c-y. So it's best to know what you're voting for.
 
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indyrockstar

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A good portion of what you say here is true, primarily because the media only focuses on personalities. However once the elected Representatives get to D.C. They vote on p-o-l-i-c-y. So it's best to know what you're voting for.

Sounds good but reality is in every election, many simply don't.
 

atlkvb

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Sounds good but reality is in every election, many simply don't.

True, I'd argue it's why we're so screwed up. No one is informed enough to know what works or why?

For instance why do so many folks think government run health care would work better and be more efficient not to mention less expensive than a market based system where health care consumers drive prices based on supply and demand from health care providers? (the way the rest of our free enterprise system operates)

No one can reasonably explain why they are ready to let government decide how they should make their personal health care choices.

Unreal.
 
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phillya

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If Trump had in mind going in that he would try to improve his standing with suburban women, I'm afraid he failed.
Some might say his emphasis on Law and Order in contrast to Biden was in the best interests of suburban women. But I think his interruptions and unbridled attacks obscured and overrode the message with college educated women.
 

atlkvb

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If Trump had in mind going in that he would try to improve his standing with suburban women, I'm afraid he failed.
Some might say his emphasis on Law and Order in contrast to Biden was in the best interests of suburban women. But I think his interruptions and unbridled attacks obscured and overrode the message with college educated women.

Meh...."College educated" women want to make sure any President's policies keep their well paid husbands able to maintain the lifestyles they're living, keep what kids they decide not abort well fed and clothed, and keep roaming gangs of anarchists out of their well manicured neighborhoods smashing windows or destroying personal property.
 

phillya

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I wish Trump would have referred to the document behind them on the set, the US Constitution.
Contrary to Biden's way of thinking, America doesn't need a giant government plan for every issue facing us.
Smart, free market solutions are almost always the best answer.
 

atlkvb

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I wish Trump would have referred to the document behind them on the set, the US Constitution.
Contrary to Biden's way of thinking, America doesn't need a giant government plan for every issue facing us.
Smart, free market solutions are almost always the best answer.

Exactly right.