If Trump loses the election, he'll resign and have Mike Pence pardon him to prevent a federal prosecution, Michael Cohen's book claims

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I don't know if he'll be found guilty, because he is pretty adept at placing blame on all his underlings like a mafia boss, but the DA for the Southern District has it out for him big time. It would be a feather in the cap for any DA to prosecute that case. All they have to do is wait it out until he's out of office, and doesn't have his campaign funds and White House lawyers to pay for his defense. Then he'll be in real trouble.

If he loses they will no longer give a ****. It will be forgotten like a Joe Biden speech. Teleprompter anyone.
 

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If he loses they will no longer give a ****. It will be forgotten like a Joe Biden speech. Teleprompter anyone.
Kind of my thoughts. They’re assaulting on every front they can to try and stifle him and support for him. Most politicians can be controlled by their donors and handlers and forced into the collective. Trump has “**** you money” and they can’t control or force him into their desired course. It’s one of the main reasons why I’m supportive of him. The policy actions stand on their own merits for the good of the country. Pre-COVID, it wasn’t even debatable how well they were proving to be.

1. job growth to full employment - lowest ever unemployment for minorities
2. Largest job gains were actually women, by 70%.
3. Real wage growth for the first time in almost 2 decades
4. Record stock markets
5. Destruction of the caliphate
6. Ending endless wars
7. Peace accords in the ME between Israel and the Arab League
8. Lowered taxes
9. Lowered illegal immigration

He was doing great and then COVID halted everything.
 

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Kind of my thoughts. They’re assaulting on every front they can to try and stifle him and support for him. Most politicians can be controlled by their donors and handlers and forced into the collective. Trump has “**** you money” and they can’t control or force him into their desired course. It’s one of the main reasons why I’m supportive of him. The policy actions stand on their own merits for the good of the country. Pre-COVID, it wasn’t even debatable how well they were proving to be.

1. job growth to full employment - lowest ever unemployment for minorities
2. Largest job gains were actually women, by 70%.
3. Real wage growth for the first time in almost 2 decades
4. Record stock markets
5. Destruction of the caliphate
6. Ending endless wars
7. Peace accords in the ME between Israel and the Arab League
8. Lowered taxes
9. Lowered illegal immigration

He was doing great and then COVID halted everything.

This is where he is going to really disappoint you....he doesn’t have **** you money.....it’s all a shill that a lot of you guys have bought into....

This is why Hannity was questioning him the other night about his campaign cash position and Trump said he would put $100M of his own money.....in a million years this won’t happen....it’s why all you MAGA keep getting hammered with desperate pleas to donate...
 

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This is where he is going to really disappoint you....he doesn’t have **** you money.....it’s all a shill that a lot of you guys have bought into....

This is why Hannity was questioning him the other night about his campaign cash position and Trump said he would put $100M of his own money.....in a million years this won’t happen....it’s why all you MAGA keep getting hammered with desperate pleas to donate...
Maybe he is financially bankrupt, he is delivering on policy against the establishment of both parties for the people of this country. He’s acting like he has f-u money. I haven’t donated to him, and won’t. I don’t own any MAGA gear. I don’t fly Trump flags or bumper stickers or any of the other political swag. No one I’m friends with does either. We’re all 100% voting for him and 100% happy with his policy actions.

You all can’t debate the policies or it’s effectiveness. All you all have is the mean girls popularity ********. It’s hilarious to watch.
 

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Maybe he is financially bankrupt, he is delivering on policy against the establishment of both parties for the people of this country. He’s acting like he has f-u money. I haven’t donated to him, and won’t. I don’t own any MAGA gear. I don’t fly Trump flags or bumper stickers or any of the other political swag. No one I’m friends with does either. We’re all 100% voting for him and 100% happy with his policy actions.

You all can’t debate the policies or it’s effectiveness. All you all have is the mean girls popularity ********. It’s hilarious to watch.

On one hand you say this about his policy wins (of which, some I concede, are good) but at the same time you turn a blind eye to the destruction he is doing internally and externally to our nation.....the foundation of democracy is cracking under the loyalty pledges and personal corruption of this administration....

You say its mean girl, I say it’s protecting our democracy.....

Maybe you and your friends are closer to Authoritarianism than you realize.
 

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On one hand you say this about his policy wins (of which, some I concede, are good) but at the same time you turn a blind eye to the destruction he is doing internally and externally to our nation.....the foundation of democracy is cracking under the loyalty pledges and personal corruption of this administration....

You say its mean girl, I say it’s protecting our democracy.....

Maybe you and your friends are closer to Authoritarianism than you realize.
What destruction internally and externally?

What authoritarianism? You sound like a crazy person. Loyalty pledges? Man, you all take **** so far out of context it’s unbelievable. Asking someone who is in a major leadership position to not intentionally undermine your administration through leaking and lies to the press isn’t some far out concept. It’s basically, “this is the way I’m going to run my administration, can you support that? If not, tender your resignation or request reassignment”. That’s not come looney concept. It’s change management, and it’s frank discussion I’ve had with department heads when I’ve been brought in to either fix a clusterfvck or run a program.

Authoritarianism?

Like spying on an opposition political campaign? Faking whistleblower reports to try and oust a sitting President? Falsifying testimony on the floor of the Senate? Secretly wiretapping journalists and opposition party congressional delegates and their staff? How about mass data collection of the entire country? How about trying to execute an internal coup and Floating the idea to secretly record the President for that purpose? Falsifying documents in order to obtain FISA docs? Weaponizing the intelligence agencies of our country and financial regulators against political opposition?

Stuff like that?

Do you even fvcking realize the **** that went on in the last administration and you all are trying to project on Trump? GTFOH.
 
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Do you even fvcking realize the **** that went on in the last administration and you all are trying to project on Trump? GTFOH.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I mean trump does control the DOJ. Why haven't they prosecuted Obama? I thought Hillary was going to be locked up?

"Lock her up, lock her up!" LMAO!
 

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What destruction internally and externally?

What authoritarianism? You sound like a crazy person. Loyalty pledges? Man, you all take **** so far out of context it’s unbelievable. Asking someone who is in a major leadership position to not intentionally undermine your administration through leaking and lies to the press isn’t some far out concept. It’s basically, “this is the way I’m going to run my administration, can you support that? If not, tender your resignation or request reassignment”. That’s not come looney concept. It’s change management, and it’s frank discussion I’ve had with department heads when I’ve been brought in to either fix a clusterfvck or run a program.

Authoritarianism?

Like spying on an opposition political campaign? Faking whistleblower reports to try and oust a sitting President? Falsifying testimony on the floor of the Senate? Secretly wiretapping journalists and opposition party congressional delegates and their staff? How about mass data collection of the entire country? How about trying to execute an internal coup and Floating the idea to secretly record the President for that purpose? Falsifying documents in order to obtain FISA docs? Weaponizing the intelligence agencies of our country and financial regulators against political opposition?

Stuff like that?

Do you even fvcking realize the **** that went on in the last administration and you all are trying to project on Trump? GTFOH.

Brother......you are a MAGA, you just haven’t admitted it to yourself as of yet....
 

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Brother......you are a MAGA, you just haven’t admitted it to yourself as of yet....
Dispute any of that. Please try. You can’t because everything I put in there has been backed up by testimony, which I’ve taken the time to read. It’s why we run circles around you all who get your information from the news and the Lincoln project. You all can’t speak in depth about any of that stuff because you didn’t follow it as closely as a couple of us did on here.
 

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Nah, he's all in and he knows it. He tried to deny it about two years ago and we called him out on that **** and then he caved.
Huh? I’m 100% voting for the man. I’ve said it. I’m proud of it. I think he has done a superb job as listed on the 9 points above. I can back up my support with policy reasoning. You all have the mean girls.
 

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What destruction internally and externally?

What authoritarianism? You sound like a crazy person. Loyalty pledges? Man, you all take **** so far out of context it’s unbelievable. Asking someone who is in a major leadership position to not intentionally undermine your administration through leaking and lies to the press isn’t some far out concept. It’s basically, “this is the way I’m going to run my administration, can you support that? If not, tender your resignation or request reassignment”. That’s not come looney concept. It’s change management, and it’s frank discussion I’ve had with department heads when I’ve been brought in to either fix a clusterfvck or run a program.

Authoritarianism?

Like spying on an opposition political campaign? Faking whistleblower reports to try and oust a sitting President? Falsifying testimony on the floor of the Senate? Secretly wiretapping journalists and opposition party congressional delegates and their staff? How about mass data collection of the entire country? How about trying to execute an internal coup and Floating the idea to secretly record the President for that purpose? Falsifying documents in order to obtain FISA docs? Weaponizing the intelligence agencies of our country and financial regulators against political opposition?

Stuff like that?

Do you even fvcking realize the **** that went on in the last administration and you all are trying to project on Trump? GTFOH.

We can start here...
 

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Yea, its exactly what I said. Support the duly elected President and his administration’s agenda or resign. Do not try to undermine it and do not try to thwart it. You express your reservations respectfully and accept the direction of the President as every one in that White House serves at the pleasure.

It’s no secret that Trump’s administration and his agenda stood in stark contrast to the previous one. There were Obama era holdovers who were attempting to trip up the administration at every turn. That’s not a peaceful transition of power.

These “loyalty” concerns that you all are hand wringing about are no different than Obama’s crusade against leakers. He was the absolute most aggressive at trying to find and deal with them.

Career bureaucrats don’t decide policy. They advise. They don’t undermine, they execute. If they have a moral objection or any objection for that matter, they have the obligation to resign or transfer. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Somewhere in the hatred for Trump, you all lost site of that and thought it was their duty to undermine him. That’s 100% wrong.
 

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Yea, its exactly what I said. Support the duly elected President and his administration’s agenda or resign. Do not try to undermine it and do not try to thwart it. You express your reservations respectfully and accept the direction of the President as every one in that White House serves at the pleasure.

It’s no secret that Trump’s administration and his agenda stood in stark contrast to the previous one. There were Obama era holdovers who were attempting to trip up the administration at every turn. That’s not a peaceful transition of power.

These “loyalty” concerns that you all are hand wringing about are no different than Obama’s crusade against leakers. He was the absolute most aggressive at trying to find and deal with them.

Career bureaucrats don’t decide policy. They advise. They don’t undermine, they execute. If they have a moral objection or any objection for that matter, they have the obligation to resign or transfer. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Somewhere in the hatred for Trump, you all lost site of that and thought it was their duty to undermine him. That’s 100% wrong.

This 100 %
 

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LOL! Stupid people don't realize they are stupid and intelligent people laugh their asses off at them.

classic KKK...sums it up perfectly. "I don't have anything to say, so I will say something I saw in the bathroom stall at a truck stop"
 

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Yea, its exactly what I said. Support the duly elected President and his administration’s agenda or resign. Do not try to undermine it and do not try to thwart it. You express your reservations respectfully and accept the direction of the President as every one in that White House serves at the pleasure.

It’s no secret that Trump’s administration and his agenda stood in stark contrast to the previous one. There were Obama era holdovers who were attempting to trip up the administration at every turn. That’s not a peaceful transition of power.

These “loyalty” concerns that you all are hand wringing about are no different than Obama’s crusade against leakers. He was the absolute most aggressive at trying to find and deal with them.

Career bureaucrats don’t decide policy. They advise. They don’t undermine, they execute. If they have a moral objection or any objection for that matter, they have the obligation to resign or transfer. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. Somewhere in the hatred for Trump, you all lost site of that and thought it was their duty to undermine him. That’s 100% wrong.

This is exactly NOT what you said......

This is a non-partisan government watchdog group basically saying

“An authoritarian-like preoccupation with loyalty is nothing new in the Trump administration, but concerns have reached a new level post-impeachment. Our investigation into the Trump administration’s emboldened loyalty purges following his acquittal of impeachment”

It’s one thing to as you say, install loyalists, this is why they have political appointees....but when you start going after everyone else, this isn’t the same thing.....fact

You guys are defending Trump out of both sides of your mouth....
 

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This is exactly NOT what you said......

This is a non-partisan government watchdog group basically saying

“An authoritarian-like preoccupation with loyalty is nothing new in the Trump administration, but concerns have reached a new level post-impeachment. Our investigation into the Trump administration’s emboldened loyalty purges following his acquittal of impeachment”

It’s one thing to as you say, install loyalists, this is why they have political appointees....but when you start going after everyone else, this isn’t the same thing.....fact

You guys are defending Trump out of both sides of your mouth....
If “everyone else” isn’t executing the policy actions of the President or inhibiting the execution of the policy, they’re wrong and need to go.

Flip the scenario, I’d feel exactly the same way. Are you going to be screaming authoritarianism when the Trump Mentality aligned bureaucrats in the WH and executive begin being purged by Biden if he wins? My thoughts are no. You’ll make an excuse for it. If you work in the executive, you serve at the pleasure, period. Get on board or get the **** out.

And those who are being purged are mostly being reassigned out of the executive to other postings. They aren’t being fired unless wrongdoing has occurred.

The article you linked is more out of context fodder for those who don’t understand how **** really works.
 

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This is exactly NOT what you said......

This is a non-partisan government watchdog group basically saying

“An authoritarian-like preoccupation with loyalty is nothing new in the Trump administration, but concerns have reached a new level post-impeachment. Our investigation into the Trump administration’s emboldened loyalty purges following his acquittal of impeachment”

It’s one thing to as you say, install loyalists, this is why they have political appointees....but when you start going after everyone else, this isn’t the same thing.....fact

You guys are defending Trump out of both sides of your mouth....
I’d really like to hear more about Trump though.
 

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I’d really like to hear more about Trump though.

“The people that Trump despises the most are the people who love him the most. He wouldn’t even let them in his ******* hotels”

Howard Stern.....
 

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That's not really an answer, but see your point. They aren't president now.

Remember when you said some of the guys on here are not even liberal like you? You said they are something else. You figured out what that is yet?
 

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Honest question: Is there anyone who criticizes Trump that you guys won't try to discredit?
Not trying to discredit Howie, I’m just saying, he’s not making a ground breaking statement. Trump has extremely high end property and clientele. There is an environment at these places. I don’t disagree with Howie. It’s just an amazingly obvious statement. The Greenbrier isn’t letting in the trailer trash to come gamble, it’s why only allow guests now.
 

atlkvb

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I do.


I think he's a dirty slimeball, but I still want to hear what he has to say.

That's not really surprising. People like YOU who live in a gutter are never embarrassed to see one of your own climb up out of it exposing more of the filth that reveals your naturally putrid existence.
 

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Kind of my thoughts. They’re assaulting on every front they can to try and stifle him and support for him. Most politicians can be controlled by their donors and handlers and forced into the collective. Trump has “**** you money” and they can’t control or force him into their desired course. It’s one of the main reasons why I’m supportive of him. The policy actions stand on their own merits for the good of the country. Pre-COVID, it wasn’t even debatable how well they were proving to be.

1. job growth to full employment - lowest ever unemployment for minorities
2. Largest job gains were actually women, by 70%.
3. Real wage growth for the first time in almost 2 decades
4. Record stock markets
5. Destruction of the caliphate
6. Ending endless wars
7. Peace accords in the ME between Israel and the Arab League
8. Lowered taxes
9. Lowered illegal immigration

He was doing great and then COVID halted everything.

That outstanding record of accomplishment you so deftly regurgitated stings like a Hornet to rudderless renegade Leftists. They could see well before their scheduled "plandemic" that unless something drastic was done to interrupt Trump's rocket fueled trajectory, they were headed for a massive defeat of epic historical proportions absent any better response or ideas..

Despite their failed "plandemic" and their ongoing smear campaign...DJT is still running strong, better than ever....gaining steam, his economy has taken off after being relaunched and it's scheduled to break even his miraculous performance records....

Meanwhile aimless loser Leftists are scrambling, desperate, looking for something...anything...to derail the Trump freight train. Race, financial malfeasance, mental health...whatever they can conjure up and hope to make it stick because they know both pre-and post Covid hype...they cannot beat him with better ideas or better results.

Excellent post

Trump train rolling on towards victory
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Move...get out the way!!!!!!!!

Trump economy headed into orbit


I liked that lift off atl....more coming!
 
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On one hand you say this about his policy wins (of which, some I concede, are good) but at the same time you turn a blind eye to the destruction he is doing internally and externally to our nation.....the foundation of democracy is cracking under the loyalty pledges and personal corruption of this administration....

You say its mean girl, I say it’s protecting our democracy.....

Maybe you and your friends are closer to Authoritarianism than you realize.

All he's hurting are the feelings of soft people who refuse to take responsibility for THEIR actions and failures.

That's good! It's making them come to the realization that the government isn't really here to help and most importantly never was.

That's ultimately what the rioting boils down to - a bunch of soft-assed, ignorant people who've been sold a false bill of goods and who have just now realized it. They are being held accountable for the first time in their lives and they can't handle the pressures that come with it. So, they have to lash out, and its always at the man at the top who gets the blame.

Your idea of protecting our democracy is simply a euphemism for protecting the status quo - having a group of people who take but never give and never want to give what they take.

The only way this continues to occur is if authoritarianism in some form continues unabated like it has for over 50 years and the dependency culture never questions the hand that feeds it.
 

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All he's hurting are the feelings of soft people who refuse to take responsibility for THEIR actions and failures.

That's good! It's making them come to the realization that the government isn't really here to help and most importantly never was.

That's ultimately what the rioting boils down to - a bunch of soft-assed, ignorant people who've been sold a false bill of goods and who have just now realized it. They are being held accountable for the first time in their lives and they can't handle the pressures that come with it. So, they have to lash out, and its always at the man at the top who gets the blame.

Your idea of protecting our democracy is simply a euphemism for protecting the status quo - having a group of people who take but never give and never want to give what they take.

The only way this continues to occur is if authoritarianism in some form continues unabated like it has for over 50 years and the dependency culture never questions the hand that feeds it.

Well stated.
 

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All he's hurting are the feelings of soft people who refuse to take responsibility for THEIR actions and failures.

That's good! It's making them come to the realization that the government isn't really here to help and most importantly never was.

That's ultimately what the rioting boils down to - a bunch of soft-assed, ignorant people who've been sold a false bill of goods and who have just now realized it. They are being held accountable for the first time in their lives and they can't handle the pressures that come with it. So, they have to lash out, and its always at the man at the top who gets the blame.

Your idea of protecting our democracy is simply a euphemism for protecting the status quo - having a group of people who take but never give and never want to give what they take.

The only way this continues to occur is if authoritarianism in some form continues unabated like it has for over 50 years and the dependency culture never questions the hand that feeds it.

This is so ******* sad and pathetic at the same time. I guess we as Americans no longer exist.....it is GOP/MAGA versus everyone else? Blue states and Red states??

I am the first male in my family not to work in the steel mills. I was a latch key kid and watched my younger brother after school while my mom and dad both worked.....I left home when I was 22, I packed my Jeep and moved to Atlanta alone. I built my life, no one gave it to me, but there are many who helped and supported me along the way....

Your way of thinking is sad and pathetic and weak and angry and scared and short-sighted.....all the same qualities that your leader amplifies.....

@atlkvb.....well stated.....**** you!
 

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I am the first male in my family not to work in the steel mills. I was a latch key kid and watched my younger brother after school while my mom and dad both worked.....I left home when I was 22, I packed my Jeep and moved to Atlanta alone. I built my life, no one gave it to me, but there are many who helped and supported me along the way....

Your way of thinking is sad and pathetic and weak and angry and scared and short-sighted.....all the same qualities that your leader amplifies.....

@atlkvb.....well stated.....**** you!
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