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I do worry about football players thinking they have to follow suit. Hopefully since they have a fraction of the games basketball does it won’t spill over
It wouldn't surprise me with other sports doing similar action. Players are starting to realize they can use their sports as a platform.
One could make a direct argument against that. Their platform is playing in front of millions, so if they aren't playing they're completely pulling their own rug out from underneath them. Most people I know haven't jumped back in on the "restarts" of sports, so not playing only further shows how important their opinions are.
If no one is watching anyhow (NBA) how does it impact anything...even if people are watching who does it impact?
Yep, these players are so out of touch with reality it's mind boggling. This will have no impact on police reform, and ultimately it just means that more people who have jobs associated with the NBA will no longer have those jobs, which again, is how poor these players are in the critical thinking department.
Athletes are greatly overestimating how much influence they have on political matters. All they managed to do is further damage the sport that made them millions. If they aren’t careful, the majority of America will “cancel” them, and judging by the NBA ratings durning the restart its already happening.
Although the BLM movement has founders with Marxist/Socialist/Communist backgrounds and leanings, I don't think it invalidates the general message that we have problems with black men and the police. Culpability for the issues is debatable, but let's quit acting like they have no reason to protest.
Lebron does have impact beyond his singular vote and he is using that influence how he sees fit. People really should try and put themselves in others shoes and at least attempt to see their point of views.
I am trying to not stray into politics, I believe my point is pertinent. These NBA players, just like radical politicians really believe the over exaggerated narrative heard in the media. Delusional Group Think
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Dude reached back into his car for a weapon -- which police have determined is a KNIFE -- but certainly could have been a gun. I am tired of people saying "walk in the black man's shoes" -- How about walk in the Police Officers shoes and tell me how you would react in a split second with someone reaching for a weapon.
They have citizens police academies in many cities -- most of them have a "use of force" and/or "target selection" scenarios that are just like the ones trained police officers go through. We had a local civil rights leader go through it here in Prince William Co Va.... -- yep he shot a good guy in a car stop scenario.....
I have gone through target selection scenarios with my own employer -- I passed every time -- by NEVER shooting anyone -- of course I was killed but I passed the Target Selection requirement (these are very difficult scenarios you go through in training).
Do we have bad cops -- of course -- but it is less than 5% of all Police. Most of these shootings that cause so much media attention are usually justified once they go through the judicial process (which causes even more outrage).
This is the social media generation we live in -- because we have one bad cop shooting all cops shooting any black man must be a bad cop shooting.... Because we have one 12 year old die of Coronavirus ALL 12 year olds are going to die of Coronavirus.... Because we have one bad Football Coach all Football Coaches are bad.......
Therein lies the problem. Until people are willing to have factual, hard conversations, this will continue to appear to be something more serious than it is. Look, everyone is emotional as hell right now, and if people are making emotional decisions this hole is only going to get deeper. Now, we could calm down, gather facts and look at this in terms of big picture and make improvements - or we can continue to lose our collective minds over 12 second video clips. One of those two will actually lead to real change.
Most people still think there will be an end of sports due to COVID. As soon as lets say college football or NFL starts up, people have doubts this will continue, so they are hesitant to get involved in following.
NBA is down 20% during the first week of the playoffs. That still has a lot to do with COVID and the current setup. It's going to happen to all sports.
It's already having an impact because you and i are talking about it. Regardless of whether we agree with it or not.
The employer is backing the players. Milwaukee Bucks owner was an example given last night as the very words coming out of his mouth was stating it. Players are not promoting rioting.....lol.
Many people including me find it hard to take a movement seriously whose modus operandi is wanton destruction against innocents. Until those that have the sincere goal of correcting this problem divorce themselves from BLM, it will not get better.
What we have is an issue with people NOT doing what they are told and resisting arrest. It is the one variable that is constant in EVERY single incident. It originates from a lack of stable declined home environment and until that is recognized nothing is going to change.
For every situation, I would prefer to let evidence come out before making a judgment of why this or that happened. I don't need some people with agendas stating this was a bad cop or a bad person with a simple video clip and be done with it. I would like to know what happened before leading up to situation, why did the guy kept walking away to his car, etc...
There are definitely more than 5% of cops being ******. They need to be held accountable for actions. IMIO, they should always have their camera on for every recording encounter. There is too much entitlement of power with the position.
Again, how exactly is that truly impactful? We're simply discussing the input/output of their actions, which if this continues long, will quickly drown out like other non-impactful news.
The President needs to use the Communist Control Act of 1954 and crack down on the Communistic BLM
I could not care less. Walking out on professional games means nothing. The facts of what happened are just coming out and we have athletes walking away from their game. Can someone tell me what that does for the situation? Nothing...I do not care if Basketball or Baseball never plays another game. If Pro football follows so be it. I hope they all go broke.This self righteous BS makes me wonder why these guys pick and choose their platforms. Maybe LeBron can run for office in the Communist party when he gives up Basketball.
It depends on how you want to view it. For majority, none for a specific moment. For an accumulation of let's say this and other defining statements, it will have a longer lasting effect. A lot of times, a simple recognition of the problem can go a long way. Then it becomes about what can be done to make a better change moving forward.
You're contradicting yourself and this entire story. The premise is that everyone jumped to the conclusion that this was an racially driven incident off of that ****** video clip, instead of getting the details (like reaching for a weapon, like having warrants out for his arrest, etc.) that could be critical context in the outcome, not to mention his actual resistance of the arrest. Look, if we continue to look at issues from the output and don't get into the root of some of these disputes, people will continue to have misinterpreted views of reality.
The NBA is averaging 2 million viewers out of a population of 330 million. They have a captive audience right now and ratings are down 40%. Nobody cares about the NBA, it won't be missed. Football players have power, the other sports have none.
My father was a COP for 35 years --- I generally find people who don't like COPS or say "too much entitlement of power" are people who committed crimes and thus had to interact with Cops..... Nobody is EVER guilty of the crime they committed. In 35 years don't think my Dad ever arrested anyone who didn't claim they were innocent and don't think any of them ever walked away without a fine or doing time.... Everyone who gets pulled over for speeding "I don't know why you are pulling me over officer" or "That guy in front of me was doing 80 and I was just doing 74 but you pulled me over". As parenting has minimized consequences for bad actions -- the number of people who think as adults their bad actions shouldn't have consequences has also increased....
Not sure how you think any of what i typed is considered contradicting. Tell me more how you came to that conclusion. I could use a good morning laugh.
I saw Don Lemon telling Fredo that the riots have to stop. Because (I **** you not) "It's showing up in the polls. It's showing up in the focus groups."
There might be some poor dummies who are along for the ride and don't understand what's going on, but Lemon at least knows enough strategists to understand the deal. He knows what the riots are for. Keep the poll question "Is the country on the right track/wrong track" number below 50% for Trump until the election, and you win. Simple as that.
Or so they thought. Evidently beating the crap out of 70 year old men trying to protect their barber shop doesn't play well with soccer moms. Go figure.
This isn't about your father. It's about cops in general. I like the good cops. Not the cops who think they have the right to be pricks without cause.
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So far, the difference between us is you believe 5% of less is dicks vs myself saying more than 5%.
Nah. but you are obviously bias given your father is a cop. It's all good. I now understand your stance on this topic.
I am starting to think that the cluster f@# that follows actually having these seasons, isn't worth it. I want CFB as much as anyone. But with half the conferences playing, no fans, threat of boycotting, threat of shut downs for covid,... So far IMO, none of the pro sports has had the same intensity, and quality, we are used to watching. If CFB looks like these pro games, I would rather watch golf instead.
My stepfather was LAPD homicide so I understand the daily toil of being a cop. Indy is right. I have seen a shift in behavior I don’t like....such as wearing fatigue pants tucked into boots and sporting other quasi-military gear just because. I encounter way more pricks than is necessary. In suburban Huntsville, we are far from having a crime wave, but I believe we are over staffed in the PD and they are deployed where not needed (Sunday morning speed traps et.al) I suspect that big city PDs have similar problems.