Cops Murder Another Innocent Man

[cam_blev]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

 

[WVU82_rivals]

so he answers the door with a gun in his hand...

and you're wondering HOW/WHY he got shot...

lol...

wow...

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

Not sure I’d call it murder. Nor would I have answered the door with a pistol when the officers announced themselves as police upon knocking.

 

[30CAT]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

Obviously you're out for a "gotcha" moment. "Someone" didn't bang on his door. Phoenix police knocked on his door and identified themselves as Phoenix police.

Very stupid of the man to answer the door with a gun in his hand. Again, seconds mean lives. These officers must make split-second decisions all of the time and they're people too. All too often officers are killed because they didn't act quick enough.

It's easy for you and me to watch a video in hindsight and have all the time we want to decide what we would have done. If we were in the officer's shoes, what we think now could be totally different.

You seem hell bent on bashing law enforcement, because you don't know all of the facts. There are investigations for a reason. Guilty until proven innocent, isn't what this country is about.

That said, it certainly looks like, from our perspective, the officers were in no danger. It seems the perp was clearly setting his gun down, ready to comply.

However, we shouldn't judge without knowing all of the facts. What was this guy's criminal record? Did he have one? Does he have a history of violence? What's the officer's history on the force look like? So many unknowns.

Agreed it looks bad at first, but don't go in looking to blame cops. Try to consider both sides. Step back and let all of the facts come out with the investigation. We are a nation of laws and you are considered innocent until proven guilty. Maybe the officer is guilty. Who knows at this point? Your rush to judgement is a dangerous precedent.

Calm down. We have courts of law and juries for a reason. Take a breath and let's hear the facts before placing judgement.

 

[nvEERs]

This is old, the one cop seen what was going on the other cop was on the other side of the door and didn't have a good view all he seen was the other cop drawing the weapon and the weapon in the poor guys hand. Bad decision making on the dead guy.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[cam_blev]

Not sure I’d call it murder. Nor would I have answered the door with a pistol when the officers announced themselves as police upon knocking.

Have you seen the video? I’m dont remember them announcing them selves.

This is old, the one cop seen what was going on the other cop was on the other side of the door and didn't have a good view all he seen was the other cop drawing the weapon and the weapon in the poor guys hand. Bad decision making on the dead guy.

What is the bad decision that was made? Answering the door prepared to protect himself I the middle of the night?


Again I say innocent as in this man broke no laws and he was shot by police. And the boot lickers here will make an excuse for any cop killing any man no matter how or why.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Have you seen the video? I’m dont remember them announcing them selves.


What is the bad decision that was made? Answering the door prepared to protect himself I the middle of the night?


Again I say innocent as in this man broke no laws and he was shot by police. And the boot lickers here will make an excuse for any cop killing any man no matter how or why.

Yes, I watched it. They clearly announced themselves.

The bad decision was the man showing up to his door with a pistol to police. Should he have been shot? No. Based on the video, as fast as that happened, I’m pretty certain it’s a clean shoot, but at the same time, the cop will likely be riding a desk for the rest of his life.

Did he contribute to his own death by coming to the door armed? Yes. Did he contribute to his death by having a domestic dispute bad enough for cops to be called....twice? Yes.

 

[cam_blev]

Yes, I watched it. They clearly announced themselves.

The bad decision was the man showing up to his door with a pistol to police. Should he have been shot? No. Based on the video, as fast as that happened, I’m pretty certain it’s a clean shoot, but at the same time, the cop will likely be riding a desk for the rest of his life.

Did he contribute to his own death by coming to the door armed? Yes. Did he contribute to his death by having a domestic dispute bad enough for cops to be called....twice? Yes.

He is allowed to have a gun especially in his own home. Also there was no domestic violence going on. More excuses for a cop killing a man

 

[cam_blev]

When it becomes the cops job to come and take guns away you all will continue to lick their boots

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He is allowed to have a gun especially in his own home. Also there was no domestic violence going on. More excuses for a cop killing a man

The police were called twice for a domestic dispute by a Karen, as you put it. Maybe it was a garden variety noise complaint. Doesn’t matter, they were called, they didn’t just show up to execute someone. Keep it in context.

As for owning a gun, You don’t know that he was allowed to. Maybe he was a felon, and the cops knew that, based on the readout from the address information. Maybe he was just a guy with no record. Regardless, even though he’s authorized to carry and own, he made a poor decision showing up to the door with a gun when police were knocking and identifying themselves.

I’m as ardent of a 2A person as there is on this board. That’s poor decision making on that guy’s part. I have guns in every room of my house. I usually have one on my person. If the police show up, before I even open the door, I’m announcing that I’m armed and willing to comply with every request made. Then, I’m opening my door slowly and in a very non-threatening manner, I’m keeping the temperature as low as possible. I’ve seen the really ugly side of when principled people antagonize nervous people with guns. It doesn’t work out well for the principled person, ever, and I have **** to live for.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

When it becomes the cops job to come and take guns away you all will continue to lick their boots

I remember when I was in my 20s with zero life experience. Continue sitting at home jerking off about how you’d respond in this situation.

The reality is I’ve been in the cop’s position. You haven’t.

As to your unrealistic little quip, I’ll go ahead and answer. I will avail myself of the legal protections I’m entitled to as free American and utilize the courts, my vote, and my money to protect my rights.

 

[BigLickMountee]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

defund the police and the death goes unnoticed like all the others

 

[BigLickMountee]

Have you seen the video? I’m dont remember them announcing them selves.


What is the bad decision that was made? Answering the door prepared to protect himself I the middle of the night?


Again I say innocent as in this man broke no laws and he was shot by police. And the boot lickers here will make an excuse for any cop killing any man no matter how or why.

More deaths are needed. Let me know when it reaches COVID death level then I'll be interested. Climate change and racism are my two issues and less people on the earth improves both. I don't like people. Less people means less need for resources and more parking spaces at the liquor store.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

defund the police and the death goes unnoticed like all the others

I mean, it’s not like cops have been under assault by the lunatic fringe the last 2 months. I can’t imagine why they’d be nervous going to a call right now.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

Where did you learn that the couple was playing video games? That’s not in the article.

 

[cam_blev]

Where did you learn that the couple was playing video games? That’s not in the article.

That was just the first and easiest one to paste when i made the post last night this seems to have more info but there's more to be found.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-shot-dead-cop-answering-door-gun-hand.html

 

[nvEERs]

I don't think it is wise to announce you are armed before opening the door. It is going to get them on edge before they can look you in the eye. Much like when you get pulled over in a car and are carrying. You shouldn't tell them I have a gun, instead they recommend that you hand them your CCW with your license then ask them how they want to handle it.

Most cops are somewhat relieved that you have a CCW as they know you are one of the good guys, but if you put them on edge before they understand that the wrong move can turn bad. Much like that poor guy in Minneapolis (I think) a few years back. Told the cop he had a gun and reached down on his side like he was grabbing something. Guy was an upstanding person with a CCW but how he approached it got him killed.

When a cop finds out you are armed your hands should be in full view preferably at the 10-2 position on the steering wheel then ask them how they want to handle it. Normally they will say you don't touch yours and I won't touch mine.

The police were called twice for a domestic dispute by a Karen, as you put it. Maybe it was a garden variety noise complaint. Doesn’t matter, they were called, they didn’t just show up to execute someone. Keep it in context.

As for owning a gun, You don’t know that he was allowed to. Maybe he was a felon, and the cops knew that, based on the readout from the address information. Maybe he was just a guy with no record. Regardless, even though he’s authorized to carry and own, he made a poor decision showing up to the door with a gun when police were knocking and identifying themselves.

I’m as ardent of a 2A person as there is on this board. That’s poor decision making on that guy’s part. I have guns in every room of my house. I usually have one on my person. If the police show up, before I even open the door, I’m announcing that I’m armed and willing to comply with every request made. Then, I’m opening my door slowly and in a very non-threatening manner, I’m keeping the temperature as low as possible. I’ve seen the really ugly side of when principled people antagonize nervous people with guns. It doesn’t work out well for the principled person, ever, and I have **** to live for.

 

[nvEERs]

They said they were playing video games the neighbor who called the cop twice said they were fighting. What they were doing before this happened doesn't matter. What matters is they announced they were police and the guy opened up door in rash manner with a gun in his hand. If he would have opened the door slowly and peeked at the cops identified them, then put the gun down and then fully opened the door he would still be alive today.

That was just the first and easiest one to paste when i made the post last night this seems to have more info but there's more to be found.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...an-shot-dead-cop-answering-door-gun-hand.html

 

[cam_blev]

They said they were playing video games the neighbor who called the cop twice said they were fighting. What they were doing before this happened doesn't matter. What matters is they announced they were police and the guy opened up door in rash manner with a gun in his hand. If he would have opened the door slowly and peeked at the cops identified them, then put the gun down and then fully opened the door he would still be alive today.

"He opened the door the wrong way that's the reason the cop killed him"

 

[cam_blev]

clearly this man did nothing wrong and most here will make excuses for the cop that killed him as they have with the many other instances that I have posted of cops killing people

 

[nvEERs]

"He opened the door the wrong way that's the reason the cop killed him"

Yes. Look two of the most dangerous situations for law enforcement are responding to domestic violence (which was the case with this call) and a "routine traffic stop". Cops are already on edge because they don't know what to expect.

I got pulled over years ago and the cop was acting a little strange, notice it and did everything I could to keep the it calm. When he came back and handed me my license back he told me that a truck fitting my description had been stolen in a town about a hour away and had been involved in a armed robbery in a town about 30 minutes away. He had pulled me over for doing a couple of miles over the speed limit, but the real reason he pulled me over was because my truck fit the description of the other truck. You know what it was a valid stop, I was driving a 2001 F150 white extended cab with a white camper shell. Not a lot of those in rural Nevada at the time.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I mean, it’s not like cops have been under assault by the lunatic fringe the last 2 months. I can’t imagine why they’d be nervous going to a call right now.

On what kind of call is a police officer most like to be killed? Domestic violence call.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

clearly this man did nothing wrong and most here will make excuses for the cop that killed him as they have with the many other instances that I have posted of cops killing people

I’ll agree in the context of the situation that guy didn’t deserve to be shot and killed. That doesn’t mean the cop is guilty of murder or should face criminal prosecution. Based on what I saw in the video, he definitely should not be. We have a process for addressing these types of incidents. It’s called a civil suit against the Phoenix PD. Based on the known information, the family will be compensated for it, I’d guess several hundred thousand.

What other solution would you prefer? Unarmed police like in the UK? Defunding the police? In all of your threads, I see bitching but no proposed solutions to address the situation. Police are necessary, and for every instance like this, there are 100s of thousands of situations and encounters where police are a necessity, where they save lives of children and women being abused, where some drunk or drug addled individual is out of their minds.

 

[Gunny46]

On what kind of call is a police officer most like to be killed? Domestic violence call.

I’ll agree in the context of the situation that guy didn’t deserve to be shot and killed. That doesn’t mean the cop is guilty of murder or should face criminal prosecution. Based on what I saw in the video, he definitely should not be. We have a process for addressing these types of incidents. It’s called a civil suit against the Phoenix PD. Based on the known information, the family will be compensated for it, I’d guess several hundred thousand.

What other solution would you prefer? Unarmed police like in the UK? Defunding the police? In all of your threads, I see bitching but no proposed solutions to address the situation. Police are necessary, and for every instance like this, there are 100s of thousands of situations and encounters where police are a necessity, where they save lives of children and women being abused, where some drunk or drug addled individual is out of their minds.

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[CAJUNEER_rivals]

This guy was playing video games with his girlfriend, a Karen called in a noise complain, after someone bangs on his door he answers it with a pistol in his hand, as he is getting down on his knees he is shot in the back.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/phoen...cle_c22550a6-c6d7-11ea-a012-c7f514e61a50.html

A guide to better understand cam.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2018...MI5OiB0c6Y6wIVA4nICh2aigSgEAAYASAAEgJgM_D_BwE

What you should know about 'sovereign citizens'

Is he really a sovereign citizen adherent?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

A guide to better understand cam.

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What you should know about 'sovereign citizens'

I don’t know that he’s one of those, he could be. He’s young and inexperienced. He’s a classic entry level libertarian before you develop contextual application of understanding.

 

[Gunny46]

Is he really a sovereign citizen adherent?

I don’t know that he’s one of those, he could be. He’s young and inexperienced. He’s a classic entry level libertarian before you develop contextual application of understanding.

Sovereign Citizens are Extreme Libertarians. They recruit from Libertarian groups.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Sovereign Citizens are Extreme Libertarians. They recruit from Libertarian groups.

I’m a little familiar with sovereign citizens. I wonder if cam really is one?

 

[Gunny46]

I’m a little familiar with sovereign citizens. I wonder if cam really is one?

Is Cam really a person or a made up character used to stir the pot? He definitely seems to hate everything about our country.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

Is Cam really a person or a made up character used to stir the pot? He definitely seems to hate everything about our country.

My favorite thing about sovereign citizens is their arrest videos. Hilarious!

 

[Shirley Knott]

He is allowed to have a gun especially in his own home. Also there was no domestic violence going on. More excuses for a cop killing a man

Karen called in the complaint, shoot Karen...

 

[cam_blev]

Is Cam really a person or a made up character used to stir the pot? He definitely seems to hate everything about our country.

I do not hate our country I hate our Government those are not the same thing.

 

[TarHeelEer]

My favorite thing about sovereign citizens is their arrest videos. Hilarious!

"Are you detaining me??!?!"

"Why yes, I am"

 

[cam_blev]

The things that are going on in this country are not racial drive or even Left vs Right as the story is being told, this is People vs Government and one side is clearly gaining all the control while the other isn't even resisting.