Sweet vindication!! IG Report delivers
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The official story is that Downer's PapaD revelation kicked off Crossfire Hurricane.
The untold story to date is that Ocunus Lures were set up long before July 2016, not directly by the FBI.
I mean, he tries to play this game with us each time a report is released, and it's obvious he hasn't read the first ten pages of this one.
The reason I believe the entire Russian thing isn’t CNN — it’s Trump’s business connections in Ukraine and Russia, and his unbelievable mountain of debt that Russian organized crime dug him out of.
I’m all for DOJ procedure being pressed aggressively. And when surveilling a Presidential candidate, that **** should be BY THE BOOK! So I say, I do hope heads roll over this.
But I’m not labeling Obama with a deepstate Clinton operation just yet
Because you keep repeating media talking points that misrepresent what the report says.
Anyone on the Left care to tackle this?
Joel B. Pollak
✔@joelpollak
https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1204032819741118464
.@RepMcClintock was very good on @CNN this morning. He pointed out that unlike the 3 Democrat senators who wrote to Ukraine demanding that it assist the Mueller investigation @realDonaldTrump had the constitutional authority to ask Ukraine’s president to help with investigations.
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8:39 AM - Dec 9, 2019
Lacy Dallas Alford@ducky9
https://twitter.com/ducky9/status/1204035968501764096
Okay. Trump would have been right to press the Ukraine regarding corruption. But, he’s never really cared about Ukrainian corruption. He just wanted a public declaration (for personal reasons) that Biden was involved in a corrupt act.
https://knowherenews.com/event/bc2e2524-185a-4e46-a520-060908d12e68?origin=newsletter&referral_code=1OFVPAS5USPAA …
Texas senator says president within his authority to press Ukraine on corruption
President Donald Trump was acting within his constitutional authority when he pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to probe corruption in his country, US Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said Sunday.
knowherenews.com
If one of the articles is "abuse of power" what part of his power to do his job Constitutionally was he violating?
Anyone?
Joel B. Pollak
✔@joelpollak
https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1204032819741118464
.@RepMcClintock was very good on @CNN this morning. He pointed out that unlike the 3 Democrat senators who wrote to Ukraine demanding that it assist the Mueller investigation @realDonaldTrump had the constitutional authority to ask Ukraine’s president to help with investigations.
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8:39 AM - Dec 9, 2019
Lacy Dallas Alford@ducky9
https://twitter.com/ducky9/status/1204035968501764096
Okay. Trump would have been right to press the Ukraine regarding corruption. But, he’s never really cared about Ukrainian corruption. He just wanted a public declaration (for personal reasons) that Biden was involved in a corrupt act.
https://knowherenews.com/event/bc2e2524-185a-4e46-a520-060908d12e68?origin=newsletter&referral_code=1OFVPAS5USPAA …
Texas senator says president within his authority to press Ukraine on corruption
President Donald Trump was acting within his constitutional authority when he pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to probe corruption in his country, US Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) said Sunday.
knowherenews.com
If one of the articles is "abuse of power" what part of his power to do his job Constitutionally was he violating?
Anyone?
Steve Scalise
✔@SteveScalise
· Nov 15, 2019
The Dems' star witness was just asked on record if she had any information regarding @realDonaldTrump accepting any bribes or being involved in any criminal activity.
Her answer was clear: "No."
Game over. Time to end this impeachment charade.
Trumpmakes-aga@TrumpmakesAga
President Trump & his AG have authority to have Ukraine comply with the below treaty, which Trump politely called a favor, by assisting in the investigation of the 2016 election interference & Biden's pressure to end the inquiry into his son's company. pic.twitter.com/r1nAnygjkz
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1204055960110739457
10:11 AM - Dec 9, 2019
Anyone on the Left? Anyone with a factual rebuttal?
Kim Strassel nails it in the IG report
1) Key findings of Horowitz report:
--Yup, IG said FBI hit threshold for opening an investigation. But also goes out of its way to note what a "low threshold" this is. Durham's statement made clear he will provide more info for Americans to make a judgment on reasonableness.
2) The report is triumph for former House Intel Chair Devin Nunes, who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse. The report confirms all the elements of the February 2018 Nunes memo, which said dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court
3) Conversely, report is an excoriation of Adam Schiff and his "memo" of Feb 2018. That doc stated that "FBI and DOJ officials did NOT abuse the [FISA] process" or "omit material information." Also claimed FBI didn't much rely on dossier. (all lies)
4)In fact, IG report says dossier played "central and essential role" in getting FISA warrants. Schiff had access to same documents as Nunes, yet chose to misinform the public. This is the guy who just ran impeachment proceedings. (Schiff is a congenital liar)
5) Report is a devastating indictment of Steele, Fusion GPS and the "dossier." Report finds that about the only thing FBI ever corroborated in that doc were publicly available times, places, title names. Ouch.
6) IG finds 17 separate problems with FISA court submissions, including FBI's overstatement of Steele's credentials. Also the failure to provide court with exculpatory evidence and issues with Steele's sources and additional info it got about Steele's credibility.
7) Every one of these "issues" is a story all on its own. Example: The FBI had tapes of Page and Papadopoulos making statements that were inconsistent with FBI's own collusion theories. They did not provide these to the FISA court.
8) Another example: FBI later got info from professional contacts with Steele who said he suffered from "lack of self awareness, poor judgement" and "pursued people" with "no intelligence value." FBI also did not tell the court about these credibility concerns.
9)And this: FBI failed to tell Court that Page was approved as an "operational contact" for another U.S. agency, and "candidly" reported his interactions with a Russian intel officer. FBI instead used that Russian interaction against Page, with no exculpatory detail.
10)Overall, IG was so concerned by these "extensive compliance failures" that is has now initiated additional "oversight" to assess how FBI in general complies with "policies that seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons."(this is important, but this crap should never have happened in the first place)
11) Report also expressed concerns about FBI's failure to present any of these issues to DOJ higher ups; its ongoing contacts with Steele after he was fired for talking to media; and its use of spies against the campaign without any DOJ input.
12) Remember Comey telling us it was no big deal who paid for dossier? Turns out it was a big deal in FBI/DOJ, where one lawyer (Stuart Evans) expressed "concerns" it had been funded by Clinton/DNC. Because of his "consistent inquiries" we got that convoluted footnote.
13) IG also slaps FBI for using what was supposed to be a baseline briefing for the Trump campaign of foreign intelligence threats as a surreptitious opportunity to investigate Flynn.(why was Trump never told, we still don't know?)
14) Finally, intriguing just how many people at the FBI don't remember anything about anything. Highly convenient. (liars, all of them)
15)Last point. When IG says he found no "documentary" evidence of bias, he means just that: He didn't find smoking gun email that says "let's take out Trump." And it isn't his job to guess at the motivations of FBI employees. Instead...
16) He straightforwardly lays out facts. Those facts produce a pattern of FBI playing the FISA Court--overstating some info, omitting other info, cherry picking details. Americans can look at totality and make their own judgment as to "why" FBI behaved so unprofessionally?
(they were either grossly incompetent or grossly corrupt...just like the media that protects them)
Maybe they're both?
1) Key findings of Horowitz report:
--Yup, IG said FBI hit threshold for opening an investigation. But also goes out of its way to note what a "low threshold" this is. Durham's statement made clear he will provide more info for Americans to make a judgment on reasonableness.
2) The report is triumph for former House Intel Chair Devin Nunes, who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse. The report confirms all the elements of the February 2018 Nunes memo, which said dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court
3) Conversely, report is an excoriation of Adam Schiff and his "memo" of Feb 2018. That doc stated that "FBI and DOJ officials did NOT abuse the [FISA] process" or "omit material information." Also claimed FBI didn't much rely on dossier. (all lies)
4)In fact, IG report says dossier played "central and essential role" in getting FISA warrants. Schiff had access to same documents as Nunes, yet chose to misinform the public. This is the guy who just ran impeachment proceedings. (Schiff is a congenital liar)
5) Report is a devastating indictment of Steele, Fusion GPS and the "dossier." Report finds that about the only thing FBI ever corroborated in that doc were publicly available times, places, title names. Ouch.
6) IG finds 17 separate problems with FISA court submissions, including FBI's overstatement of Steele's credentials. Also the failure to provide court with exculpatory evidence and issues with Steele's sources and additional info it got about Steele's credibility.
7) Every one of these "issues" is a story all on its own. Example: The FBI had tapes of Page and Papadopoulos making statements that were inconsistent with FBI's own collusion theories. They did not provide these to the FISA court.
8) Another example: FBI later got info from professional contacts with Steele who said he suffered from "lack of self awareness, poor judgement" and "pursued people" with "no intelligence value." FBI also did not tell the court about these credibility concerns.
9)And this: FBI failed to tell Court that Page was approved as an "operational contact" for another U.S. agency, and "candidly" reported his interactions with a Russian intel officer. FBI instead used that Russian interaction against Page, with no exculpatory detail.
10)Overall, IG was so concerned by these "extensive compliance failures" that is has now initiated additional "oversight" to assess how FBI in general complies with "policies that seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons."(this is important, but this crap should never have happened in the first place)
11) Report also expressed concerns about FBI's failure to present any of these issues to DOJ higher ups; its ongoing contacts with Steele after he was fired for talking to media; and its use of spies against the campaign without any DOJ input.
12) Remember Comey telling us it was no big deal who paid for dossier? Turns out it was a big deal in FBI/DOJ, where one lawyer (Stuart Evans) expressed "concerns" it had been funded by Clinton/DNC. Because of his "consistent inquiries" we got that convoluted footnote.
13) IG also slaps FBI for using what was supposed to be a baseline briefing for the Trump campaign of foreign intelligence threats as a surreptitious opportunity to investigate Flynn.(why was Trump never told, we still don't know?)
14) Finally, intriguing just how many people at the FBI don't remember anything about anything. Highly convenient. (liars, all of them)
15)Last point. When IG says he found no "documentary" evidence of bias, he means just that: He didn't find smoking gun email that says "let's take out Trump." And it isn't his job to guess at the motivations of FBI employees. Instead...
16) He straightforwardly lays out facts. Those facts produce a pattern of FBI playing the FISA Court--overstating some info, omitting other info, cherry picking details. Americans can look at totality and make their own judgment as to "why" FBI behaved so unprofessionally?
(they were either grossly incompetent or grossly corrupt...just like the media that protects them)
Maybe they're both?
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We don’t know that yet, the IG was limited in who he was able to investigate. Considering Durham has been able to interview and investigate the individuals Horowitz was limited from contacting, and he disagreed with the conclusion of Horowitz in a very rare statement, I think I’d not be jerking off quite yet.
Most of the Dossier has been confirmed.
It is exactly what he said. Moron.
That is exactly the opposite of what the IG report said yesterday. Liar, idiot, moron, fake.
Either way - none of this makes me happy. Despite what alwaysrighters on here think, I just want things to be cleared up.
It was nothing illegal. Our government can’t investigate Russian organized crime in Russia
Really? Because I see to recall Mueller charging a bunch of people who won’t ever see a courtroom. You’d think the US could convene a GJ and indict these nefarious individuals.
They can when they commit crimes in the US or are pursued by the FBI in an international effort, like Sater in ‘98
So, in your world, Trump did all this shady **** OCONUS? I thought the bulk of your examples consisted of activity in NY and FL?
Trump did very little illegal activity, taking money from investors isn’t illegal.
Contacts between trump's campaign team and Russia - confirmed.
Russian meddling in the 2016 election - confirmed.
trump's real estate deals in Russia - confirmed.
Flynn took a trip to Moscow, paid by Russia - confirmed.
And, the GOP was the original client for the dossier.
Hahahaha that’s some funny ****. Oh and the GOP never funded the dossier, the IG report again, for the umpteenth time, makes that very clear.
Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, the co-founders of the Washington-based private-investigative firm Fusion GPS, which has mined deep veins of muck on Trump for years, at the behest of his various political enemies, will try to throw the book at Trump with the publication of “Crime in Progress: Inside the Steele Dossier and the Fusion GPS Investigation of Donald Trump.”Fusion was the firm that hired the former British spy Christopher Steele to research Trump’s ties to Russia during the 2016 campaign.
As the authors tell it, they became obsessed with Trump almost accidentally. Their involvement in his campaign began as a business proposition. In the past, they had worked mostly for corporate clients, but in 2012 they had also done some political-opposition research on the Republican Presidential nominee, Mitt Romney. (They declined to disclose their client.) So, in 2015, as Trump gained momentum, but before he clinched the nomination, Simpson and Fritsch again decided to look for political work. After firing off a quick e-mail to a big conservative donor they knew who disliked Trump, they were hired. They don’t identify that donor but note, helpfully, that he arranged for them to contract their opposition-research assignment through the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative Web site known to be funded by Paul Singer, a New York hedge-fund magnate. Once Trump secured the nomination, however, the G.O.P. donor fled.
According to Horowitz the only things they were able to confirm wwre names, some places and a few numbers but nothing that was beyond basic information. So you are wrong again.
Thanks for confirming that it wasn’t the dossier the GOP funded.
if you’d read the report, you’d know.
Why does shift keep saying that Trump rigged the 2016 election & if they dont stop him he will do it again, didn't the Mueller report prove he didn't?
No collusion. No obstruction. No quid pro quo. No bribery. No extortion.
So we're down to obstruction of the most obstructionist Congress in history.
And abuse of power, for Trump doing his job to make sure American taxpayers aren't getting fleeced or ripped off by fraud from a Foreign country asking for our assistance.
No impeachment.