Sweet vindication!! IG Report delivers

[DvlDog4WVU]

You can almost line by line the Nunes memo and it aligns with the findings. Very troubling, the abuse of the FISA process and withholding of information. Wood’s procedure was fvcked in the process. They outright misled the court.

Even more troubling is Durham’s statement in which he says he wasn’t constrained by the limitation of current officials and based on his investigation so far, he disagrees with there being no political bias. Couple the report’s findings and Durham’s statement together and we got ourselves a show.

Good stuff.

 

[rog1187]

You can almost line by line the Nunes memo and it aligns with the findings. Very troubling, the abuse of the FISA process and withholding of information. Wood’s procedure was fvcked in the process. They outright misled the court.

Even more troubling is Durham’s statement in which he says he wasn’t constrained by the limitation of current officials and based on his investigation so far, he disagrees with there being no political bias. Couple the report’s findings and Durham’s statement together and we got ourselves a show.

Good stuff.

In before :joy::joy::joy:

 

[Walter Brennaneer]

US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement
The U.S. attorney who is conducting a wide-ranging investigation of the origins of the Trump-Russia probe released a rare statement Monday saying he disagrees with conclusions of the so-called FISA report -- after DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz found in that review that the probe's launch largely complied with DOJ and FBI policies.

“Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” U.S. Attorney John Durham said in a statement.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Indictments are rolling in now!!!

 

[dave]

Indictments are rolling in now!!!

Cry some more.

 

[tjebarr]

In before :joy::joy::joy:

[roll]

 

[Boomboom521]

1. The failures on Woods procedure (with the handlers confirmation or whatever) was troubling to me.
2. Leaving out evidence of not trusting Steele as an informant, or overstating his value, doesn’t seem as troubling as some are making out to be. Agents trying to get evidence of a crime in this scenario probably try to “sell” the court
3. The dossier was not the kick off to Crossfire Hurricane, and although Durham might find that the information from the foreign government was unreliable - its clear this wasn’t big O spying at Clinton’s bidding
4. Nunes said in his memo that the dossier was the only thing used in the FISA app - Horowitz denies this, while also saying it was a central component
5. Nunes said in his memo that the FISA was not told of the motivation of Steele’s dossier - again proven a lie, with more detail than the redacted app
6. Durham’s statement is concerning to me - and I guess we actually are WAITING for another report, funny how that works

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Indictments are rolling in now!!!

Based on the last IG report detailing the FBIs reliance on and inability to validate 2nd and 3rd party intel, coupled with this IG report finding 17 significant issues with the FISA process, and Durham’s statement, you really don’t see anything wrong at all?

 

[EEResistable]

So it's a big letdown correct? I figured so.

 

[Boomboom521]

Based on the last IG report detailing the FBIs reliance on and inability to validate 2nd and 3rd party intel, coupled with this IG report finding 17 significant issues with the FISA process, and Durham’s statement, you really don’t see anything wrong at all?

Not all 17 issues were signifigant - and he even went as far to say he couldn’t determine that the outcome of the FISA court’s decision would’ve been any different if those omissions and misstatements didn’t happen

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Nunes said in his memo that the dossier was the only thing used in the FISA app

I don’t recall that, it said it was a basis, as in “remove it, and what’s left, doesn’t constitute enough information to proceed”. There was the Isikoff article as well, we all know that. The circular intel collection methods. Again, we already know all of that.

Mueller’s own report lies about Joseph Misfud being a Russian agent. This isn’t debatable.

How about the Page information ignoring his working with alternate agencies?

Come on dude?

 

[Airport]

You can almost line by line the Nunes memo and it aligns with the findings. Very troubling, the abuse of the FISA process and withholding of information. Wood’s procedure was fvcked in the process. They outright misled the court.

Even more troubling is Durham’s statement in which he says he wasn’t constrained by the limitation of current officials and based on his investigation so far, he disagrees with there being no political bias. Couple the report’s findings and Durham’s statement together and we got ourselves a show.

Good stuff.

Hope you are right but I will believe it when I see the swamp turn on itself.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not all 17 issues were signifigant - and he even went as far to say he couldn’t determine that the outcome of the FISA court’s decision would’ve been any different if those omissions and misstatements didn’t happen

And you’re leaving out that central figures to the investigation were not part of the investigation because they’ve been fired, retired, or quit and he couldn’t interview them.

 

[Boomboom521]

I don’t recall that, it said it was a basis, as in “remove it, and what’s left, doesn’t constitute enough information to proceed”. There was the Isikoff article as well, we all know that. The circular intel collection methods. Again, we already know all of that.

Mueller’s own report lies about Joseph Misfud being a Russian agent. This isn’t debatable.

How about the Page information ignoring his working with alternate agencies?

Come on dude?

Not only did Nunes say it, but you guys have been screaming that crap for more than a year now - that the dossier started it all.

I’d love to know how you know Misfud’s background.

I said the lack of “handler” approval was concerning. I don’t think a subject working with another agency would negate a need for surveillance - the lack of disclosure is concerning - I however do not know who knew what when, wouldn’t his association with alternative agencies be unknown?

Crossfire Hurricane was kicked off from information from a foreign government -

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not only did Nunes say it, but you guys have been screaming that crap for more than a year now - that the dossier started it all.

I’d love to know how you know Misfud’s background.

I said the lack of “handler” approval was concerning. I don’t think a subject working with another agency would negate a need for surveillance - the lack of disclosure is concerning - I however do not know who knew what when, wouldn’t his association with alternative agencies be unknown?

Crossfire Hurricane was kicked off from information from a foreign government -

We’ve been saying the memo was what started it all? We’ve said it was the bulk of the basis for the FISA App.

 

[atlkvb]

Hope you are right but I will believe it when I see the swamp turn on itself.

I'm waiting for Durham and Barr to "close the loop" and start issuing indictments. They key as I read the report is "unverifiable". The information was offered to the court as reliable, when in fact it was not and FBI operatives knew that, and were deliberately dishonest concealing that.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[Boomboom521]

We’ve been saying the memo was what started it all? We’ve said it was the bulk of the basis for the FISA App.

No - you’ve been saying the Dossier was the start of it all.

“The bulk”? Yeah, ok. Let’s let Durham blow up the information from the foreign government (which I’m suspecting you guys believe it’s the British talking about the dossier), and I’ll agree the FISA was invalid. Until then, I have no problem with the FBI using Steele’s information to confirm possible collusion with Russia - since a foreign intelligence agency had already initiated contact with that as a concern.

In addition, the contacts between Manafort - Stone - Cohen - Papadopolous - and Flynn + Trump’s Business connections prior to running and financial ties to possible Russian government agents, imo, more than warranted closer investigation by the FBI once a friendly foreign government made their concern known.

Steele aside.

Maybe agents and top executives were cavalier in their actions, thinking they would find evidence and the process wouldn’t be questioned, or that Clinton would win and the process wouldn’t be questioned — but they followed proper channels cutting corners on policy yes, but leaving a paper trail that is very clear.

 

[TarHeelEer]

No - you’ve been saying the Dossier was the start of it all.

Your memory is failing you. Simpson said the dossier started it all, and stated they had sources inside the campaign. He took back the statement of the dossier, and the FBI "corrected" the sources statement, even though they were lying.

Not one person here thought what started the investigation was important. They can start an investigation if someone sneezes. The actions of the FBI after the investigation was opened is the HUGE can of worms that needs addressed, and people jailed.

The actions of Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, and others prior to FBI opening the investigation, running CI's at individuals associated with the campaign, should be addressed, and people hung.

“The bulk”? Yeah, ok. Let’s let Durham blow up the information from the foreign government (which I’m suspecting you guys believe it’s the British talking about the dossier), and I’ll agree the FISA was invalid. Until then, I have no problem with the FBI using Steele’s information to confirm possible collusion with Russia - since a foreign intelligence agency had already initiated contact with that as a concern.

You are already not paying attention. NINE outright lies from the FBI in the FISA apps.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No - you’ve been saying the Dossier was the start of it all.

“The bulk”? Yeah, ok. Let’s let Durham blow up the information from the foreign government (which I’m suspecting you guys believe it’s the British talking about the dossier), and I’ll agree the FISA was invalid. Until then, I have no problem with the FBI using Steele’s information to confirm possible collusion with Russia - since a foreign intelligence agency had already initiated contact with that as a concern.

In addition, the contacts between Manafort - Stone - Cohen - Papadopolous - and Flynn + Trump’s Business connections prior to running and financial ties to possible Russian government agents, imo, more than warranted closer investigation by the FBI once a friendly foreign government made their concern known.

Steele aside.

Maybe agents and top executives were cavalier in their actions, thinking they would find evidence and the process wouldn’t be questioned, or that Clinton would win and the process wouldn’t be questioned — but they followed proper channels cutting corners on policy yes, but leaving a paper trail that is very clear.

The hell are you talking about?

Without the Dossier, the FISA doesn’t get approved. Without the identified errors, omissions, and lies, it still might not have been approved.

 

[atlkvb]

The hell are you talking about?

Without the Dossier, the FISA doesn’t get approved. Without the identified errors, omissions, and lies, it still might not have been approved.

There was no need to lie about or hide any information from that court pursuant to whatever their claim was behind "investigating" potential foreign infiltration into Trump's camp. More telling behind their obvious deceptions, was the fact they never informed Trump!

 

[dave]

No - you’ve been saying the Dossier was the start of it all.

“The bulk”? Yeah, ok. Let’s let Durham blow up the information from the foreign government (which I’m suspecting you guys believe it’s the British talking about the dossier), and I’ll agree the FISA was invalid. Until then, I have no problem with the FBI using Steele’s information to confirm possible collusion with Russia - since a foreign intelligence agency had already initiated contact with that as a concern.

In addition, the contacts between Manafort - Stone - Cohen - Papadopolous - and Flynn + Trump’s Business connections prior to running and financial ties to possible Russian government agents, imo, more than warranted closer investigation by the FBI once a friendly foreign government made their concern known.

Steele aside.

Maybe agents and top executives were cavalier in their actions, thinking they would find evidence and the process wouldn’t be questioned, or that Clinton would win and the process wouldn’t be questioned — but they followed proper channels cutting corners on policy yes, but leaving a paper trail that is very clear.

Both Nunes and the IG said the Steele Dossier was the essential part of the FISA. Read the report. Read Nunes memo.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Let’s let Durham blow up the information from the foreign government (which I’m suspecting you guys believe it’s the British talking about the dossier)

The information from a foreign government is that Alexander Downer reported through State that PapaD said Russia had Hillary's emails (and what was said was actually that Russia had dirt on Hillary). I don't know what you're going on about.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Long time coming, but it’s completely worth it. This thing is a gold mine and blows up the Dem congressional narrative, and fully backs Nunes.

Stage is set, next up, Durham.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Long time coming, but it’s completely worth it. This thing is a gold mine and blows up the Dem congressional narrative, and fully backs Nunes.

Stage is set, next up, Durham.

Are you drunk? F’ucking hilarious.

 

[Boomboom521]

Your memory is failing you. Simpson said the dossier started it all, and stated they had sources inside the campaign. He took back the statement of the dossier, and the FBI "corrected" the sources statement, even though they were lying.

Not one person here thought what started the investigation was important. They can start an investigation if someone sneezes. The actions of the FBI after the investigation was opened is the HUGE can of worms that needs addressed, and people jailed.

The actions of Brennan, Clapper, Strzok, and others prior to FBI opening the investigation, running CI's at individuals associated with the campaign, should be addressed, and people hung.



You are already not paying attention. NINE outright lies from the FBI in the FISA apps.

I’m not sure LIES is exactly accurate, but I agree FBI agents and top brass should not be loose with the truth ESPECIALLY ON THIS LEVEL OF INVESTIGATION.

I have NO PROBLEM with members of the DOJ being ran out on a rail over this FISA app

I’m very curious to hear what intel from what country kicked this off. If Durham comes back with suspect origins, then I’ll buy into the setup narrative. Until then, it’s FBI **** — no different— LE often think they have the right to short procedure to get their man, no?

I’m pretty confident after reading this report, that this was no Big O/ Clinton devious watergate conspiracy.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Are you drunk? F’ucking hilarious.

Feel free to pull from the report you didn’t read to quote the Nunes memo you don’t understand to refute me. It’s clear to anyone who has followed this how right we’ve been and how wrong you morons have been.

 

[Boomboom521]

The hell are you talking about?

Without the Dossier, the FISA doesn’t get approved. Without the identified errors, omissions, and lies, it still might not have been approved.

Even Horowitz didn’t go that far - while knowing Barr and Durham have a hardon to go against his findings.

And— I’m not sold that the Dossier is all bogus anyway

 

[dave]

Feel free to pull from the report you didn’t read to quote the Nunes memo you don’t understand to refute me. It’s clear to anyone who has followed this how right we’ve been and how wrong you morons have been.

Nothing funnier than dumb people who dont know **** from shinola but think they can talk their way through anything.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I’m very curious to hear what intel from what country kicked this off. If Durham comes back with suspect origins, then I’ll buy into the setup narrative. Until then, it’s FBI **** — no different— LE often think they have the right to short procedure to get their man, no?

Wasn’t it Australia and Papadopolous?

 

[dave]

Even Horowitz didn’t go that far - while knowing Barr and Durham have a hardon to go against his findings.

And— I’m not sold that the Dossier is all bogus anyway

Horowitz destroyed the Dossier. Completely.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

And— I’m not sold that the Dossier is all bogus anyway

Hahahahaha

 

[Boomboom521]

Both Nunes and the IG said the Steele Dossier was the essential part of the FISA. Read the report. Read Nunes memo.

IG said “central part” or something to that effect — Nunes said there was little else.

Can’t gloss over the initiation of the investigation and what information that was and from where — also the contacts and connections with the campaign — you’re acting like these aren’t relevant

 

[dave]

Even Horowitz didn’t go that far - while knowing Barr and Durham have a hardon to go against his findings.

And— I’m not sold that the Dossier is all bogus anyway

What does essential mean?

 

[dave]

IG said “central part” or something to that effect — Nunes said there was little else.

Can’t gloss over the initiation of the investigation and what information that was and from where — also the contacts and connections with the campaign — you’re acting like these aren’t relevant

Both Nunes and Horowitz said it was ESSENTIAL.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

IG said “central part” or something to that effect — Nunes said there was little else.

Can’t gloss over the initiation of the investigation and what information that was and from where — also the contacts and connections with the campaign — you’re acting like these aren’t relevant

When you combine the omissions and clarifications on top of the unverified and politically purchased dossier, yea, you can pretty much gloss over it.

 

[bornaneer]

Barr and Durham have a hardon to go against his findings.

Really ??????? I guess you missed this part of what Durham said:
"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham also stated. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Really ??????? I guess you missed this part of what Durham said:
"I have the utmost respect for the mission of the Office of Inspector General and the comprehensive work that went into the report prepared by Mr. Horowitz and his staff," Durham also stated. "However, our investigation is not limited to developing information from within component parts of the Justice Department. Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."

No no, that’s a hard on, apparently.

The guy has been given hard evidence now and he’s still clinging to it. Unbelievable cognitive dissonance

 

[dave]

No no, that’s a hard on, apparently.

The guy has been given hard evidence now and he’s still clinging to it. Unbelievable cognitive dissonance

I told you guys months ago he would never believe the truth when it was staring him in the face. In his head the Dossier has to be true because Trump is bad.

 

[Boomboom521]

Do you guys all realize that the IG just literally said the investigation was justified, that no political bias played a role????

So Horowitz and Wray are a part of the Big O - Clinton army now?