Did a hearing start today or something?
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Suh-weet! Lacking a substantive response, you adroitly launched an ad hominem attack instead. It doesn’t strengthen or advance your position at all, but if that makes you feel on top of the world, I’m happy for you.
I agreed with the hearsay point. It's an impeachment inquiry not a criminal case. I also understand why our judicial system has checks and balances on lawyers. I also understand why we have judges and a Supreme Court. It's a show trial so Republicans are free to point out the silliness of it all. This **** show falls apart if it makes it to the Senate. Why ?
There are so many side issues, evidentiary-wise, to your question, that it’s not worth the time on a message board to address it (consider the drama when i simply tried to lay out some generalities about hearsay). Over a drink or two, probably. A good starting point would be for you to carefully read and absorb the hearsay rules i linked for you previously. For example, one could argue that the summary to which you refer is itself Hearsay (even the White House acknowledges/admits on page 1 of the summary that it is not a transcript). Would be helpful to have Trump, Bolton, and all the others on the subject calls testify in person about it. Better yet, and my preference, would be for the White House/DOJ to release the audio recording. Unless altered, that is the best evidence of the calls. N’est-ce pas?
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It’s not a trial. I don’t do criminal work, but the inquiry seems more like a grand jury proceeding to gather evidence. Although in grand jury proceedings, only the prosecution participates, whereas in the House inquiry, both sides are asking questions. If it makes it to the Senate, that will be more in the nature of a trial, with the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court presiding.
Personally, i believe the House inquiry should go to completion just to get the information out there for the public to see and make their own decisions, but it won’t be complete with numerous key witnesses refusing to obey subpoenaes and testify. That’s why i think the Kupperman lawsuit is so important. If the Supreme Court agrees to hear an appeal of whatever the lower court’s decision is, it’s subsequent ruling will set the boundaries for the interplay of power between the Legislative Branch and the Executive Branch with respect to subpoena powers for investigations. That decision will have major implications. But unless expedited, that decision will come long after the impeachment stuff is done, thereby lacking complete evidence. In that event, it’s seems clear that the Senate will not convict, and it will be up to the voters in 2020 to do what they will.
The transcript has been verified by thoae who listened to the call. Calling it a summary is repeating talking points. I shouldnt have to explain this to a lawyer. It isnt hearsay.
I'm sure you are good at what you do. The Avenatti comment was tongue in cheek. You're giving legal opinions without wanting to confirm facts that many posters already know about some of the players involved in this and their connections to people currently under criminal investigation. What I am saying will make more sense in the next few weeks and months. If it makes it to the Senate then we can discuss elements of the crimes the House presents to the Senate. 99.9 % chance John Brennan is pleading the 5th. If not he should fire his lawyers.
Didn't watch your video. She's pwning him by impeaching him. This is just getting started, relax and enjoy.
All i can do is show you the facts. If you choose to discard the facts in favor of what you want things to be, there really is no point in discussing anything. It is a summary. S-u-m-m-a-r-y. It is not a transcript. Don’t believe me? Here’s what the White House release of the s-u-m-m-a-r-y says at the bottom of the very first page:
“CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_o listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place.”
Want to check it for yourself? Here’s a link to the White House website:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf
You can pound your fists on the table, stomp your feet, and hold your breath until you’re blue in the face, but that is not a transcript.
The summary has concurrence in its accuracy and has been unchallenged even by the witnesses testifying.
Did you read the memo? Its not a verbatim transcript but it is put together by people who were on the call and they feel it accurately reflects the conversation. That is certainly more first hand and less hearsay than any testimony to this point. That is the fact. If you choose to discard facts in favor of you partisan talking points there is nothing to discuss.