A look at NC State v WVU

[Buckaineer]

Well the look at Missouri played out even worse than the stats would have predicted.

Here's what the Mountaineers face against NC State.

NC State season stats:

Passing: 545 yds total_66.7% completion rate_7.6yd avg_longest 48 yds_TD:2_INT: 0
Rushing: 500 yds total_avg 6.0 per carry_long 34 yds

Defense-
Tackles: 124
Sacks: 6-41yds
Fumbles forced: 2
INTs: 1

player stats
QB Mckay 508 yds pass
RB Knight 161 yds rushing
WR Hines 110 recieving yds
Safety Ingles 13 tackles
CB Ingram -1 int


WVU season stats:

Passing: 401 yds total_62.3% completion_avg. 5.6_long 46_TD:3_INT:3
Rushing: 64 yds total_1.1 yds per carry avg._long 9 yds

Defense-

Tackles: 140 total
Sacks: 6-43 yds
Fumbles forced: 0
INTs: 1

player stats
QB Kendall 397 passing yds
RB Sinkfield 30 yds rushing
WR Bush 95 yds receiving
LB Chandler 21 tackles
CB Washington Jr. 1 INT

 

[Buckaineer]

Total pts scored this season

NC State_75
WVU_27


more game stats
Points Per Game _37.5_ 13.5
Points Allowed Per Game _3.0_25.5

Yards Passing _272.5 _200.5
Yards Rushing _250.0 _32.0
Yards Allowed _187.5 _355.0
Pass Yards Allowed _163.0 _153.0
Rush Yards Allowed _24.5 _202.0

 

[OlegeezEER]

 

[Buckaineer]

Based on the stats above the final score for Saturday
Is likely to be another stomping

NC State 38
WVU 10

 

[WVUALLEN]

Buck loves himself some WVU.

According to you Bucky boy WVU is looking to leave the Big 12 anyway.

[Quote:
May 9, 2016
What do you see next for WVU's conference affiliation? The BIG 12 will be gone in a few years as it is anyway.

What does WVU need to do at this point to secure a future position elsewhere in the major conferences?

Hopefully Gee and Lyons are working hard behind the scenes somewhere.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Total pts scored this season

NC State_75
WVU_27


more game stats
Points Per Game _37.5_ 13.5
Points Allowed Per Game _3.0_25.5

Yards Passing _272.5 _200.5
Yards Rushing _250.0 _32.0
Yards Allowed _187.5 _355.0
Pass Yards Allowed _163.0 _153.0
Rush Yards Allowed _24.5 _202.0

Stats are fun for the fan. But football is a pretty complicated sport. You want the ball to bounce in a favorable way.

Football comes down to five basic things, four of which you can mostly control. You make more big plays than your opponent, you stay on schedule, you tilt the field, you finish drives, and you fall on the ball.

Explosiveness, efficiency, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers are the five factors to winning football games.

If you win the explosiveness battle you win 86 percent of the time.

If you win the efficiency battle you win 83 percent of the time.

If you win the drive-finishing battle you win 75 percent of the time.

If you win the field position battle you win 72 percent of the time.

If you win the turnover battle you win 73 percent of the time.

Your stats are meaningless for game to game W/L.

SB Nation.

 

[sammyk]

There is a latin term that can be used for what will happen NC State vs WVU. Muchus asswhippus.. And i still like WVU in the AAC

 

[Buckaineer]

On the realignment front, like the actual coaching front you have to look at reality.

Go around social media and there is a constant, relentless effort to convince OU and Texas to leave the BIG 12. Its been going on since before 2012 and continues 24/7 365 to this day.

This has an effect on fanbases, and then on administrators and people in power at those universities.

The Big Ten schools are now generating alot of money in media rights from their conference. They will get a new contract in 2023 (2nd new one before anyone else gets to the table).

The SEC is a bit ahead of the BIG 12 in media rights right now, but behind the B10. They are desperate to change that dynamic. They get a new CBS deal for their top games around the same time the BIG 12 will be negotiating a new contract.

Bottom line is you don't want your school being Kragthorped leading into that time period. You want to be on top of your game in the primary sports.

Right now, WVU is being Kragthorped.

 

[Buckaineer]

Stats are fun for the fan. But football is a pretty complicated sport. You want the ball to bounce in a favorable way.

Football comes down to five basic things, four of which you can mostly control. You make more big plays than your opponent, you stay on schedule, you tilt the field, you finish drives, and you fall on the ball.

Explosiveness, efficiency, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers are the five factors to winning football games.

If you win the explosiveness battle you win 86 percent of the time.

If you win the efficiency battle you win 83 percent of the time.

If you win the drive-finishing battle you win 75 percent of the time.

If you win the field position battle you win 72 percent of the time.

If you win the turnover battle you win 73 percent of the time.

Your stats are meaningless for game to game W/L.

SB Nation.

Just as expected, the stats panned out badly for WVU in the Missouri game. NC State looks to be better than Missouri, while the new coaching staff have shown no ability to coach at this level to date.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Bucky is a troll.
Not even a good one.

What is reality? Do you even have any idea what is going on except your own perception. If your own mind lies to you then your reality is incorrect.
More than that people for the most part believe what they want to hear.

 

[eerdoc]

Just as expected, the stats panned out badly for WVU in the Missouri game. NC State looks to be better than Missouri, while the new coaching staff have shown no ability to coach at this level to date.

Erroneous logic on so many fronts and levels. Sad to consider post like this one comes from someone whom many would classify as an adult and, yet, uses logic and reasoning that would be inadequate for the average 3rd grader.

 

[Buckaineer]

Erroneous logic on so many fronts and levels. Sad to consider post like this one comes from someone whom many would classify as an adult and, yet, uses logic and reasoning that would be inadequate for the average 3rd grader.

You yammer alot, but you haven't presented any "logic and reasoning" at all. Not one thing.

Your post comes across like the ego of a wounded immature 4th grader.

Haven't even attempted to dispute any of the information I presented--of course because you can't--its just in game statistics and my predicted outcome for the next game based on the statistics.

 

[Euell]

Just as expected, the stats panned out badly for WVU in the Missouri game. NC State looks to be better than Missouri, while the new coaching staff have shown no ability to coach at this level to date.

How disappointed will you be Saturday if WVU happens to win?

 

[locustwv]

WVU 27

NC state 20

I have never been able to pick against WVU. Even in March madness, I have to take them all the way!!

 

[eerdoc]

You yammer alot, but you haven't presented any "logic and reasoning" at all. Not one thing.

Your post comes across like the ego of a wounded immature 4th grader.

Haven't even attempted to dispute any of the information I presented--of course because you can't--its just in game statistics and my predicted outcome for the next game based on the statistics.

To refute your idiocy would result in a document so large that few would read any of it. You fail elementary principles of reasoning. You gave no consideration to factors related to 'looking better' by NCSU such as the weakness of their competition to dater. The cracks that "...the new coaching staff have shown no ability to coach at this level to date..." is absurd and further clarifies my assertions regarding your maturity and abilities.
"..Right now, WVU is being Kragthorped..." is so absurd as to defy need for any comment from folks with a third grade level ability to deal with reality. Need I go on to refute your childish idiocy? I think not. as Mark Twain observed "arguing (or trying to reason) with a fool soon allows a bystander to confuse the two." You are, quite simply, not worth the expenditure of any additional effort to elevate your communication to a level acceptable to even folks of average intelligence. I shall graciously add you to the 'ignore' list and be done with your foolishness. Too bad you are contributing your diatribe to a Mountaineer fan site, since it is obvious you are far from being qualified for inclusion as a fan. Goodby!

 

[VaultHunter]

Been following WVU football since the early 80's. This is the worst coached and worst prepared team I have seen.

Any win this season will be a miracle.

Maybe this staff figures it out. Right now it looks like they are in over their heads.

 

[spartansstink]

Erroneous logic on so many fronts and levels. Sad to consider post like this one comes from someone whom many would classify as an adult and, yet, uses logic and reasoning that would be inadequate for the average 3rd grader.

Succinct, yet strangely deep, simultaneously.

Well done, chap. Well done.

 

[TejasFan]

I would like to see the Mountaineers join the Southern Conference. I believe (this time around) they could dominate. Richmond would never beat them like they did Bobby Bowden's team!

 

[Buckaineer]

To refute your idiocy would result in a document so large that few would read any of it. You fail elementary principles of reasoning. You gave no consideration to factors related to 'looking better' by NCSU such as the weakness of their competition to dater. The cracks that "...the new coaching staff have shown no ability to coach at this level to date..." is absurd and further clarifies my assertions regarding your maturity and abilities.
"..Right now, WVU is being Kragthorped..." is so absurd as to defy need for any comment from folks with a third grade level ability to deal with reality. Need I go on to refute your childish idiocy? I think not. as Mark Twain observed "arguing (or trying to reason) with a fool soon allows a bystander to confuse the two." You are, quite simply, not worth the expenditure of any additional effort to elevate your communication to a level acceptable to even folks of average intelligence. I shall graciously add you to the 'ignore' list and be done with your foolishness. Too bad you are contributing your diatribe to a Mountaineer fan site, since it is obvious you are far from being qualified for inclusion as a fan. Goodby!

The above statement is absolute mindless gibberish.

Any reasonable person would look at the stats of each team and see that WVU is in BIG trouble this weekend and through the rest of the season. Only the Kansas game looks 50/50 at this point. NC State is looking strong and so is the rest of the BIG 12.

There is nothing absurd in evaluating a new coaching staff taking a top ten offense and in two games turning it into #123 out of 130 and thus asserting the new coaching staff has shown no ability to coach at the level WVU is accustomed to to date.

There is nothing absurd about witnessing in real life, a situation in which the new coaching staff has taken the TOP returning RB corps in the BIG 12 and quickly turned it into the WORST rushing attack in the nation. What exactly about that situation illustrates that this coaching staff has the ability to coach at this level?

WVU is being Kragthorped---a 7 pt win over a lower level school at home in front of a sold out crowd. A blowout loss to a mid level SEC squad that was beaten by Wyoming. 64 yards TOTAL rushing despite returning many capable RBs?

This staff evaluated these players for months, decided where they should be playing and is now saying they need to rework the entire thing after every single aspect of the team has failed and a long season of strong opponents waits. At this point with what has happened so far it is very possible this staff is going to coach WVU to the worst season in school history. Just last year the team with many of the same players was contending for the BIG 12 championship until the final game of the season.

WVU is being Kragthorped until further notice, there's 0 evidence this debacle is turning around.

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

Buckaneer
Hey GO F yourself with the Kragthorped BS.
HCNB has 2 games. With a depleted roster.
He will succeed here no thanks to you.
There’s a drunk bus in Houston waiting for you. Go hit hit the road pissbaby.

You yammer alot, but you haven't presented any "logic and reasoning" at all. Not one thing.

Your post comes across like the ego of a wounded immature 4th grader.

Haven't even attempted to dispute any of the information I presented--of course because you can't--its just in game statistics and my predicted outcome for the next game based on the statistics.

 

[Buckaineer]

Found on SB Nation:

"Bill Connelly @ESPN_BillC

· Sep 10, 2019
Top 5 offenses in avoiding havoc:
1 Temple 4% havoc rate allowed
2 Air Force 5%
3 K-State 5%
4 Bama 6%
5 Army 7%

Bottom 10:
121 UNM 22%
122 Kent St 23%
123 TXST 23%
124 Miami 24%
125 UCLA 24%
126 GT 24%
127 USF 24%
128 WVU 26%
129 FAU 26%
130 Akron 27%https://twitter.com/ricobert11/status/1171449757694169090 …

(Havoc rate = percentage of plays that resulted in a TFL, forced fumble, interception, or pass defensed.)

So a quarter of WVU’s snaps have gone for, at best, zero yards. And at worst, they’ve either lost yardage or turned the ball over."

So, WVU is also now 128th out of 130 in giving up tackles for loss,fumbling, throwing ints etc..

There are MANY coaches that have only coached two games so far. Not sure if any others have sunk the program they inherited immediately to the depths this new staff has. People were vicious with the last coach--when he was winning 10 games--twice. Now, people are ignoring not just bad results, but TERRIBLE results coming from the new staff.

 

[Buckaineer]

And here is the projected wins for the B12--2.5 conf wins predicted for WVU which would pretty much be beating Kansas the rest of the way and no one else.

Bill Connelly‏@ESPN_BillC




This reminds me ... check out the average projected conf wins in the Big 12 right now. Seven teams between 4.3 and 5.4. Eight teams have a semi-legit shot at the title game at the moment. https://twitter.com/JRP_1994/status/1171164468790878208…

1:58 PM - 9 Sep 2019

 

[WVUALLEN]

:zzz:

 

[WVUFanForever]

Other than trolling....just what are you trying to accomplish here bucky?

We get you dont like Brown.....and we all know WVU is struggling right now...

You having 20 threads on it isn't going to change any situations about it.

Like someone else said...how mad are you going to be if WVU wins Saturday...because it will blow your whole stupid childish narrative up.

 

[Buckaineer]

There were about 90,000 threads on Coach Holgorsen, based on made up b.s. such as "he wears a black shirt--doesn't he know he is coaching WVU?" (notice Brown wears a GRAY shirt and not a peep), he drinks Red Bull (oh the humanity!!!), "yeah he won 10 games, but um, uh, it was with someone else's players, or but he didn't win the bowl!!" on and on and on--you either participated or were not concerned.

Now we have a seemingly incompetent staff on hand that has the Mountaineer program looking to be in dire straits long term--and you don't want anyone talking about it? Why exactly? What changed?

The Mountaineers are doing very poorly due to the new coaching staff. This is a message board to discuss the past, present and future state of Mountaineer athletics. Good and bad as evidenced by all the animous the past 8 years directed at the previous staff.

Why are you trying to stop an honest conversation about the current dire situation?

What exactly are you afraid of?

P.S.--presenting real stats and information about the performance of the current staff and team and discussing the same, is not "trolling"--you saying nothing but trying to stop discussion about the same, and going after me personally IS trolling.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Dana was a drug user and had some questionable habits.
That alone is enough to say he didn't belong at WVU. You cannot question the truth in this because the LSU AD confirmed that Dana had some major off the field issues.

You are attacking Neal Brown in support of Dana Holgorsen. You are attempting to create division and infighting. You are a TROLL. Even if your purpose isn't trolling you still are trolling based on your attacks on Neal Brown. Just give it up because no one wants Dana back.

Neal Brown could do a quick fix and win some games but that isn't what WVU wants. You want to win the Big 12. To win the Big 12 WVU has to be a complete team and for this to happen WVU must be a team who can run the ball downhill. Sooner or later it is going to happen and this offense is going to be a nightmare to defend. But it doesn't come overnight and everyone supports the end game. It isn't about winning these games right now it is about building to win the big games later.

 

[Buckaineer]

Libel against the former coach.

Would LOVE to see him sue you blind for such criminal behavior.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Libel against the former coach.

Would LOVE to see him sue you blind for such criminal behavior.

He doen't read your love fest on this board.

Libel against the former coach.

Would LOVE to see him sue you blind for such criminal behavior.

So everybody on this board could legally sue you for criminal behavior.

 

[Buckaineer]

He doen't read your love fest on this board.


So everybody on this board could legally sue you for criminal behavior.

What criminal behavior would that be exactly fool? Posting in game and season stats is not breaking any laws.

Making false felony accusations about the former coach most certainly is. The sites moderators and site itself can be sued as well, they should be careful letting you trolls spew such hateful lies and garbage.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Dana recreationally uses cocaine.
Might not use the cocaine to get high he might just like the way it smells.

 

[WVUALLEN]

What criminal behavior would that be exactly fool? Posting in game and season stats is not breaking any laws.

Making false felony accusations about the former coach most certainly is. The sites moderators and site itself can be sued as well, they should be careful letting you trolls spew such hateful lies and garbage.

Defamation involves writing or saying something about someone that damages that person’s reputation.

If you post, That man is fool, you’d better know for fact or you may find yourself on the receiving end of a defamation lawsuit.

Seems I need to contact my lawyer.

 

[spartansstink]

He's here.

Buck, it appears your understanding of the law is akin to your understanding of football - a rudimentary knowledge that fails to go beyond the simple level, i.e. you know the definition but you don't comprehend how anything works, and thus you can't apply it, analyze it, or break it down into its basic parts.

Due to this, I will kindly give you the "milk" and leave the "meat" until you have reached a higher level of thinking.

To prove libel, generally 3 burdens must be met:
1) A person told a "lie" that they knew was untrue
2) The lie must cause someone harm
3) That harm must be readily identifiable.

So, if someone spreads a rumor, that isn't libel. If someone believes that what he says is true,but it turns out it isn't, it isn't libel. If someone writes something they know is a lie, but the lie doesn't cause any harm, it isn't libel.

So, lets look at your "evidence" and see if it meets the 3 criteria:
1) Don't know for sure. Maybe he believes it to be true because he heard it from someone he trusts. Maybe he witnessed it himself. Maybe he's spreading gossip he overheard at Kegler's. Maybe he knows its a lie. Either way, we don't know his INTENT which must be proven. Criteria 1 - fail.
2) Dana's reputation is/was in no way harmed. In order for number 2 to take effect, others must readily believe it. I don't think many people do - fail.
3) Dana signed a 4 million dollar a year contract. Unless you can prove that Dana lost out on MORE money due to the lie above number 3 is a fail.

So, from here on out, kindly please refrain from posting using your generally limited knowledge. Thanks, Spartansstink - Esquire

 

[spartansstink]

He doen't read your love fest on this board.


So everybody on this board could legally sue you for criminal behavior.

Generally, what I've found over the years is nobody defends someone as vigorously as Buck does Dana over what are simple differences of opinion unless:

1) Buck is really Dana Holgorsen. Dana, is that you? Maybe the stories about Dana not coming in to work on time, etc. were true. He was on here defending his honor. Someone should investigate, see if the times correspond.
2) Buck is a family member. I highly doubt this one. I don't think Dana would claim Buck as family even if it was true.
3) Buck is Dana's lover. Not saying there was any kind of "deviant" relationship in any way. One never really can be sure of sexual identities in this day and time. Also, the love doesn't have to be reciprocal - i.e. a case of puppy love or a crush.

I'll leave it up to each to form his own opinion as to which applies.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Been hearing Bucky was Dana's coke dealer.
That is why he is getting so touchy when the drug use comes up.
Don't worry, Bucky. I won't tell anyone.


Libel would be what SI printed but they have a former AD at LSU saying it.

 

[eerdoc]

Been following WVU football since the early 80's. This is the worst coached and worst prepared team I have seen.

Any win this season will be a miracle.

Maybe this staff figures it out. Right now it looks like they are in over their heads.

We have played TWO games. TWO. we won the first against a team that, very likely, would occupy mid-conference status by the end of the year in several of the 'big Boy' conferences. we got smoked by a Missouri team that was highly regarded at the beginning of the season and will finish quite well.
The venpn being thrust at our staff is uncalled for and really stupid. The former staff left before having a miserable season and being canned. The cupboard is quite empty, and those that remain with any expereience/demonstrated skills are also being asked to adapt to a boatload of changes. what we see is what MOST reasonable folks were expecting. why the attacks when most are seeing reality?

 

[spartansstink]

We have played TWO games. TWO. we won the first against a team that, very likely, would occupy mid-conference status by the end of the year in several of the 'big Boy' conferences. we got smoked by a Missouri team that was highly regarded at the beginning of the season and will finish quite well.
The venpn being thrust at our staff is uncalled for and really stupid. The former staff left before having a miserable season and being canned. The cupboard is quite empty, and those that remain with any expereience/demonstrated skills are also being asked to adapt to a boatload of changes. what we see is what MOST reasonable folks were expecting. why the attacks when most are seeing reality?

Doc, please stop using well thought out, logical responses. They won't/don't work here very often.

Too many posters are like a three year old who can't have his Oreo's before supper. So, they generally throw fits, repeating the same nonsense over and over, and refusing to take no for an answer, despite kindly being shown the error of their ways.

It seems, the only response that works is to bust that ***.

 

[eerdoc]

Doc, please stop using well thought out, logical responses. They won't/don't work here very often.

Too many posters are like a three year old who can't have his Oreo's before supper. So, they generally throw fits, repeating the same nonsense over and over, and refusing to take no for an answer, despite kindly being shown the error of their ways.

It seems, the only response that works is to bust that ***.

Thanks for the encouragement and substantiation. I suppose I find it especially hard to forget the years of teaching, training, and group leadership and the successes observed. Hard to accept the notions you bring forth. Much too old now to change approaches and established life's self goals.

 

[spartansstink]

I agree and am there with you.

 

[Chazz Michael Michaels]

You are truly a moron. And by the way, libel is a tort- it’s a civil claim. It’s not “criminal” or “illegal”.

What criminal behavior would that be exactly fool? Posting in game and season stats is not breaking any laws.

Making false felony accusations about the former coach most certainly is. The sites moderators and site itself can be sued as well, they should be careful letting you trolls spew such hateful lies and garbage.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Tony Gibson will want some revenge and will have the NC State team blitzing all night and it won’t look pretty for us.