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[Darth_VadEER]

Holgs contended for championship once .

He lost to two inferior teams last year.

Won a conference championship once too.

 

[Charleston Mountie]

Or is it a case of Brown not adapting his system to what he has to work with?

A coach has two choices when he comes into a new team:

If that team is not his system but the team is not broken, he will adapt at least in part to what the team can do. Dana did this when he got to WVU. Bill was an inside hire.

If however that team has nothing in it but a collection of odds and ends, He will realize that best he can do is start building his new house from the ground up. There is no need to invest in anything the current team has because it is little of anything. That is the state of WVU. Rich did this when he got to WVU. Spread offense and 3-3-5 had nothing to do with Don's players. Brown if following this path.

So, now, the players adapt to Brown. Not point in doing a band aid job.

 

[op2]

A coach has two choices when he comes into a new team:

If that team is not his system but the team is not broken, he will adapt at least in part to what the team can do. Dana did this when he got to WVU. Bill was an inside hire.

If however that team has nothing in it but a collection of odds and ends, He will realize that best he can do is start building his new house from the ground up. There is no need to invest in anything the current team has because it is little of anything. That is the state of WVU. Rich did this when he got to WVU. Spread offense and 3-3-5 had nothing to do with Don's players. Brown if following this path.

So, now, the players adapt to Brown. Not point in doing a band aid job.

Yes. And lest people forget, RR went 3-8 his first year with the following schedule:

Boston College
Ohio U.
Kent St.
Maryland
Va Tech
Notre Dame
Miami
Rutgers
Syracuse
Temple
Pitt

 

[Darth_VadEER]

A coach has two choices when he comes into a new team:

If that team is not his system but the team is not broken, he will adapt at least in part to what the team can do. Dana did this when he got to WVU. Bill was an inside hire.

If however that team has nothing in it but a collection of odds and ends, He will realize that best he can do is start building his new house from the ground up. There is no need to invest in anything the current team has because it is little of anything. That is the state of WVU. Rich did this when he got to WVU. Spread offense and 3-3-5 had nothing to do with Don's players. Brown if following this path.

So, now, the players adapt to Brown. Not point in doing a band aid job.

Is Browns offensive system much different than Danas?

Asking because i dont know...

 

[steeleer]

Right...and how does a coach get a long guaranteed contract? By failing? No.

By now, he knows what he is...an above average coach. He knows he’s not going to put in the work to win a NC.

So what then? Move from town to town selling his snake oil. Drinking Red Bull and looking cool. As long as suckers are ponying up guaranteed contracts and open bars...he’s your guy.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Bring in a new OL coach and S&C coach at the end of the year... Defense has been shakey as well. If Neal is calling the plays, he needs to get an actual decent OC and turn the play calling abilities over. This isn’t the Sun Belt Neal Brown is coaching in anymore.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Only can blame Dana for so long.

Dana was expected to win at a high level. I don't truthfully know the ceiling for WV so I cannot comment if that is true or not. Ultimately I think Dana saw the window closing. Wasn't getting the support and saw the energy coming from Maryland.
I warned you about how much talent Maryland had on their roster and could get. Dana knew that was where the players are that WV had access to that are needed.

All Dana needs is a QB....
When you say that Dana couldn't develop a QB it was because he had high standards.
For the most part WVU never really had a loaded roster. Why do you think Tavon Austin and Kevin White both haven't produced in the NFL. Dana made them.


Neal Brown wants to build a team around more than a QB. Ultimately that is a good thing but you still need a QB. Truthfully a team like that will help you against "inferior" competition.
In terms of talent I don't think Iowa State and Oklahoma State were that far behind WVU last year.
Being able to run over teams gives you that ability to dominate games and not allow teams to have a chance.
But that type of team doesn't come over night.

That is why most teams rely on QB play.
But truthfully those teams never will be Top 10 caliber.

 

[chhawaten64]

this team would have been just as bad under hogorson the reason no running is poor blocking when you lose battle on line you can't run the ball no matter who you have as runningback if they donot improve they can't even beat kansas if you don't even recruit the best two ol in wv then i for one am glad he is gone even if we do go 1-11

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Only can blame Dana for so long.

Dana was expected to win at a high level. I don't truthfully know the ceiling for WV so I cannot comment if that is true or not. Ultimately I think Dana saw the window closing. Wasn't getting the support and saw the energy coming from Maryland.
I warned you about how much talent Maryland had on their roster and could get. Dana knew that was where the players are that WV had access to that are needed.

All Dana needs is a QB....
When you say that Dana couldn't develop a QB it was because he had high standards.
For the most part WVU never really had a loaded roster. Why do you think Tavon Austin and Kevin White both haven't produced in the NFL. Dana made them.


Neal Brown wants to build a team around more than a QB. Ultimately that is a good thing but you still need a QB. Truthfully a team like that will help you against "inferior" competition.
In terms of talent I don't think Iowa State and Oklahoma State were that far behind WVU last year.
Being able to run over teams gives you that ability to dominate games and not allow teams to have a chance.
But that type of team doesn't come over night.

That is why most teams rely on QB play.
But truthfully those teams never will be Top 10 caliber.

I was under the impression Brown runs the Air Raid?

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Neal Brown has adjusted over time.

I don't think many coaches run a true AirRaid anymore.
Even Dana. Dana still runs some things he learned at Oklahoma State from Gundy who changed his offense with Larry Fedora.

Any great offensive mind changes his offense. Even Mike Leach has changed.

Almost all offenses in major CFB have AirRaid principles.
Even in the NFL.

But Neal Brown wants to develop a running game without the pass.
You have to be able to pass without the run or run without the pass.
Back in the day everyone would run the ball to develop the playaction pass.
Watch old films of the Pittsburgh Steelers vs the Oakland Raiders in the 1970's.
But that changed with the short passing game.


There are so many ways to move the football now. Football is cumulative. Meaning that most college staffs have a collection of plays from different systems.

This is what Dana was great at.
Dana found ways to move the ball.

Passes to the flat that went for 15-20 yards.
Once that pass worked he used a playaction off of that pass to go deep.

I am in the belief that the deep pass should be option #1.
Once you show the ability to go over the top defenses have to adjust or get torched all game.

What I have seen from Neal Brown and his staff is a stubbornness.
There are 100 ways to move the ball. Don't have to believe in a few and continue to use those plays even though they aren't working.

This doesn't matter what system you use.
AirRaid, Triple option, power spread. All of these terminologies don't mean much anymore because teams have the ability to do different things and will probe you until they find something that works.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

The problem with the OLine is Joe Wickline.
Wickline has had prior success but he left three different OLines now in a mess.
Texas went to the veer and shoot like what Florida St has because of him in 2016.

Interested in seeing if Neal Brown uses some of these plays. When you don't have an OLine the veer and shoot is the best offense.

But ultimately the problems have to be fixed by recruiting and Development. I wouldn't blame Matt Moore? because he didn't have much to work with.

 

[dentist83]

I WAS NOT A DANA FAN, not in the least. However, I have to be fair about last year. A bad call by the Big XII officials on the Kennedy McCoy run was 14 point swing in the pivotal game of Dana's career at WVU. Both of those players were going at it out of bounds. WVU also got hosed by the Big XII officials at Okie State when they allowed Okie state to hold David Sills most of the game without penalties. Would we have beaten Texas again???The officials made sure that we never got that chance. We're still the red headed stepchild of the Big XII, and DANA HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT!! But, I am still glad he's gone, no clock management, no cooler head prevailing. Will Brown throw his headset like Dana ???? It looks like he is a calmer presence on the sidelines. Doege starts the last 4 games of this year at QB, saves his redshirt, and Kendell will transfer out. Dana signs an endorsement deal with Red Bull!