week 2 should tell us alot

[Buckaineer]

So far there is an eked out win over an FCS squad.

Week two will show if there is improvement and give us a real look--on the road vs. a P5 squad, what this new regime is made of and what to expect.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

So far there is an eked out win over an FCS squad.

Week two will show if there is improvement and give us a real look--on the road vs. a P5 squad, what this new regime is made of and what to expect.

Don't go back pedaling now. Week 2 shouldn't show us anything with what has come out of your mouth so far. WVU is doomed to never be as good a program as under DH because WVU struggled against JMU. Everyone was wrong for bashing Dana EVERY season from the start, even though that is not what actually happened given it was only a select few that did. Yet it is okay for you to be critical of Brown from his first off season on due to ridiculous expectations that he install a new system and immediately preform as well as the previous coach would have in his 9th season of having his system in place. To borrow your most recent favorite term ... hypocrite.

 

[WVUALLEN]

So far there is an eked out win over an FCS squad.

Week two will show if there is improvement and give us a real look--on the road vs. a P5 squad, what this new regime is made of and what to expect.

Don't expect too much improvement in week 2. Brown is playing perhaps the toughest schedule ever by a WVU team. The Improvement would be less than 6 penalties and a better run game would be nice.

Dana bounced back in 2013 when he had to eke out a win over an FCS team. WVU lost to OU 16-7 in game 2. The improvements were up and down the rest of the year as he finished 4-8 (2-7) in 2013.

 

[Rootmaster]

Bucky...little Bucky...you are trying to so hard to stand up for Dana... the love of your shallow life. Beginning to pity you.

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Neal Brown inherited an extremely young and inexperienced team. It showed against James Madison, which is at least as good as Wyoming, which beat Missouri. The defense improved in the second half. Offensive blocking needs to improve in the second game. Or there will be a meltdown on this board, as usual. I can't wait to see the improvements. With such a young team, improvements will be larger than on a veteran team because the young team started from so far down.

 

[locustwv]

My feeling is we don’t get embarrassed out in Missouri and if we get a few breaks we could pull a big win out. Need a running game for sure!!!

 

[doneagain]

Although we couldn’t run at all, We were a couple of miscues away from easily being up 30-10 at one point late in the game. Several overthrows early in the game were corrected in the second half. One overthrow would have been a TD, and by his own words, Kendall was too amped up in the first half. Once he settled down at the the break, he came out doing much better, but still has miles of room to improve. We connect on that one sure TD and convert that field goal, the game is in hand a little earlier.

But “what if’s” dont win football games.

Missouri is gonna Either come out pissed and ready to nuke us, or they are gonna come out deflated and let Wyoming beat them twice.

If WVU truly can show some improvement in week two, the opportunity is there to try and sneak a win out of the Show Me State.

I would feel better about things if this game were in Morgantown.

 

[Buckaineer]

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

 

[Buckaineer]

Neal Brown inherited an extremely young and inexperienced team. It showed against James Madison, which is at least as good as Wyoming, which beat Missouri. The defense improved in the second half. Offensive blocking needs to improve in the second game. Or there will be a meltdown on this board, as usual. I can't wait to see the improvements. With such a young team, improvements will be larger than on a veteran team because the young team started from so far down.

Well he didnt inherit that- its what he was left with when 9 players-- many starters- left after he came on board.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

It's almost like picking on a mentally handicapped child correcting you. You keep saying stupid and contradictory things while we disagree with you but actual show logical reasoning as to why. Let's leave it at you are an unreasonable jack-*** and assume I disagree with you because I actually have a functional prefrontal cortex.

 

[Rootmaster]

I truly believe that Bucky Wucky enjoys being a fool.

 

[older gold]

Don't expect too much improvement in week 2. Brown is playing perhaps the toughest schedule ever by a WVU team. The Improvement would be less than 6 penalties and a better run game would be nice.

Dana bounced back in 2013 when he had to eke out a win over an FCS team. WVU lost to OU 16-7 in game 2. The improvements were up and down the rest of the year as he finished 4-8 (2-7) in 2013.

Our 2014 schedule was much more difficult.

 

[doneagain]

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

Well then you have to concede that it is week 2 for Missouri as well, and they too should improve over week 1.

I get that you miss Dana, nothing wrong with that, but your vitriol towards Neal Brown and all but hoping he fails is perplexing to me. He had nothing to do with Dana leaving. All he did was accept the job Dana didn’t want anymore.

You don’t have to hate one guy to miss the other.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Don't go back pedaling now. Week 2 shouldn't show us anything with what has come out of your mouth so far. WVU is doomed to never be as good a program as under DH because WVU struggled against JMU. Everyone was wrong for bashing Dana EVERY season from the start, even though that is not what actually happened given it was only a select few that did. Yet it is okay for you to be critical of Brown from his first off season on due to ridiculous expectations that he install a new system and immediately preform as well as the previous coach would have in his 9th season of having his system in place. To borrow your most recent favorite term ... hypocrite.

Bell, have a different take on Dana's time here - his biggest win was the Orange Bowl with Stew's recruits. IMHO the program did not improve overall while he was head coach. He just didn't seem to understand what it took to manage as a head coach. Might be a great "O" coordinator, but just not the type to fit in a head coaching position. That entails some things Dana was just not comfortable with here - one of those was interacting with fans. I don't mean kiss ***, I mean just be able to be comfortable with them in one-on-one situations. It's just part of the job and some coaches think that's just ********. Another area that's it's important for head coach to embrace is interaction with the media. Like it or not the public learns about a program through the eyes of the media. To use the media a coach needs to understand the needs of the media and do what he can to make their job easier.

 

[OlegeezEER]

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

So tells us if you are so upset with the way DH was treated then why are you treating Brown in the same manner? I guess fight Fire with Fire. The majority were not on DH's case day 1 as you claim. I am sure there was one you are proof of that.

 

[OlegeezEER]

So far there is an eked out win over an FCS squad.

Week two will show if there is improvement and give us a real look--on the road vs. a P5 squad, what this new regime is made of and what to expect.

This is the second time I am going to ask you this question. What would you say to your counterpart in Houston that is trashing DH after game 1. You know there has to be at least 1. You were bashing Brown even before his 1st game.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Our 2014 schedule was much more difficult.

Tougher how?
4-8 Towson team was almost unbeatable.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Bell, have a different take on Dana's time here - his biggest win was the Orange Bowl with Stew's recruits. IMHO the program did not improve overall while he was head coach. He just didn't seem to understand what it took to manage as a head coach. Might be a great "O" coordinator, but just not the type to fit in a head coaching position. That entails some things Dana was just not comfortable with here - one of those was interacting with fans. I don't mean kiss ***, I mean just be able to be comfortable with them in one-on-one situations. It's just part of the job and some coaches think that's just ********. Another area that's it's important for head coach to embrace is interaction with the media. Like it or not the public learns about a program through the eyes of the media. To use the media a coach needs to understand the needs of the media and do what he can to make their job easier.

Nova, we do not seem to disagree. The post you are quoting is part of a long running conversation with Buckaineer. Buckaineer's stance is that:

1. WVU was definitely going to be in contention for the Big 12 in 2019 had DH stayed
2. Brown is a terrible head coach because he ran off 9 starting, star players in the offseason. (WVUAllen has great posts deconstructing this idiotic claim)
3. Because WVU is expected to have a .500 or less season in 2019, the fans and WVU Athletic Department is "accepting a lesser product" by not being pessimistic and trashing Brown.
4. Brown will obviously not be as good as Dana because he cannot field a team as good as what Dana would have this season.
5. Everyone who disagrees with any of 1-4 is nothing but a Dana basher that criticized him from day 1. That criticism was wrong because even though Dana fielded a team that went 4-8, only beat William & Mary by a TD, and lost to Kansas in his THIRD season, Dana went on to become "one of the greatest coaches at WVU ever." (I know its obvious how stupid and hypocritical it is of him to crap on Brown after his first game at HC while admitting that DH had some poor showings early on that he overcame in later seasons)

My opinion of DH is that he was an average HC with a great offensive mind. He had positive qualities, but also negative ones. The negative ones kept cropping up season in and season out (poor defense, poor fundamentals, poor discipline, little improvement after the first 2 games). Under DH, WVU could be fun to watch but ultimately was doomed to be middle of the pack under DH with an occasional upset and an occasional let down. 8 seasons made it obvious he was a known quantity and WVU was unlikely to win the conference with DH as his head coaching prowess had been stagnant. Hence when Houston offered 5 years with 4 million/year guaranteed, WVU would have been stupid to match that with a contract extension and thus Dana would have been stupid not to take the Houston job. I'm glad WVU got to move on and while Brown may not be as good as DH was as HC at WVU, at least there is a chance he could be better and perhaps bring home a Big 12 title.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First WVU needs to expand their product. Some of you may disagree but where WVU is at in Big 12 WVU needs a bigger name. Might not have been the case in the Big East because we weren't playing anyone that could really recruit.

To expand the product we need to play in big games and be relevant.Dana Holgersen did this. He had three games last year. Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Had one the prior year in Virginia Tech
Had 2 in 2016 Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Neal Brown needs to get West Virginia in a position to play in a big game with a national auidence that draws more than a couple of million eyeballs.

You can talk **** about Dana but he had WV in one if not two or three of these games.
Get in these games. Get the WVU name and brand relevant and good things will happen.

Baby steps people. This doesn't change with the coach. WVU isn't like Georgia. Can't go from 7-5 to the CFP in two years. Don't even think we can win in the Big 12 in two years with a new coach especially with the direction that Texas and Oklahoma are heading. Both look better than last year as crazy as that sounds.

 

[doneagain]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First WVU needs to expand their product. Some of you may disagree but where WVU is at in Big 12 WVU needs a bigger name. Might not have been the case in the Big East because we weren't playing anyone that could really recruit.

To expand the product we need to play in big games and be relevant.Dana Holgersen did this. He had three games last year. Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Had one the prior year in Virginia Tech
Had 2 in 2016 Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Neal Brown needs to get West Virginia in a position to play in a big game with a national auidence that draws more than a couple of million eyeballs.

You can talk **** about Dana but he had WV in one if not two or three of these games.
Get in these games. Get the WVU name and brand relevant and good things will happen.

Baby steps people. This doesn't change with the coach. WVU isn't like Georgia. Can't go from 7-5 to the CFP in two years. Don't even think we can win in the Big 12 in two years with a new coach especially with the direction that Texas and Oklahoma are heading. Both look better than last year as crazy as that sounds.

He is one game into his tenure.

 

[Buckaineer]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First WVU needs to expand their product. Some of you may disagree but where WVU is at in Big 12 WVU needs a bigger name. Might not have been the case in the Big East because we weren't playing anyone that could really recruit.

To expand the product we need to play in big games and be relevant.Dana Holgersen did this. He had three games last year. Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Had one the prior year in Virginia Tech
Had 2 in 2016 Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Neal Brown needs to get West Virginia in a position to play in a big game with a national auidence that draws more than a couple of million eyeballs.

You can talk **** about Dana but he had WV in one if not two or three of these games.
Get in these games. Get the WVU name and brand relevant and good things will happen.

Baby steps people. This doesn't change with the coach. WVU isn't like Georgia. Can't go from 7-5 to the CFP in two years. Don't even think we can win in the Big 12 in two years with a new coach especially with the direction that Texas and Oklahoma are heading. Both look better than last year as crazy as that sounds.

By nature of playing in the BIG 12, WVU will be in big games every year, and has. Lots of top 5, 10, 15 ranked games--a few every year now. Playing Oklahoma, playing Texas.

Brown is going to have to beat some of these teams.

 

[Buckaineer]

Nova, we do not seem to disagree. The post you are quoting is part of a long running conversation with Buckaineer. Buckaineer's stance is that:

1. WVU was definitely going to be in contention for the Big 12 in 2019 had DH stayed
2. Brown is a terrible head coach because he ran off 9 starting, star players in the offseason. (WVUAllen has great posts deconstructing this idiotic claim)
3. Because WVU is expected to have a .500 or less season in 2019, the fans and WVU Athletic Department is "accepting a lesser product" by not being pessimistic and trashing Brown.
4. Brown will obviously not be as good as Dana because he cannot field a team as good as what Dana would have this season.
5. Everyone who disagrees with any of 1-4 is nothing but a Dana basher that criticized him from day 1. That criticism was wrong because even though Dana fielded a team that went 4-8, only beat William & Mary by a TD, and lost to Kansas in his THIRD season, Dana went on to become "one of the greatest coaches at WVU ever." (I know its obvious how stupid and hypocritical it is of him to crap on Brown after his first game at HC while admitting that DH had some poor showings early on that he overcame in later seasons)

My opinion of DH is that he was an average HC with a great offensive mind. He had positive qualities, but also negative ones. The negative ones kept cropping up season in and season out (poor defense, poor fundamentals, poor discipline, little improvement after the first 2 games). Under DH, WVU could be fun to watch but ultimately was doomed to be middle of the pack under DH with an occasional upset and an occasional let down. 8 seasons made it obvious he was a known quantity and WVU was unlikely to win the conference with DH as his head coaching prowess had been stagnant. Hence when Houston offered 5 years with 4 million/year guaranteed, WVU would have been stupid to match that with a contract extension and thus Dana would have been stupid not to take the Houston job. I'm glad WVU got to move on and while Brown may not be as good as DH was as HC at WVU, at least there is a chance he could be better and perhaps bring home a Big 12 title.

I have not commented much on Neal Brown other than to point out the hypocrisy of some here--giving him a pass for a poor performance against a low level opponent while attacking Holgorsen no matter whether he won 10 games, beat ranked opponents, didn't matter.

Brown has a long way to go to catch up to Holgorsen's level of success.

Brown did push out multiple players upon coming to WVU. Silence from the trolls who attacked DH daily. Holgorsen was bashed mercilously each year anytime a player left.

Looking at DH's records, its clear that he was going to win games at WVU, he has the 2nd most wins by a coach in the HISTORY of WVU football. He would not have eked out a win vs. JMU.

More hypocrisy from the lousy "fans" here---celebrating a potential sub :500 season, while attacking Holgorsen no matter how many games he won. Simply pointing it out and asking WHY? Why is it ok suddenly for WVU to win 3 or 4 games, when 7 wasn't "good enough"? When 8 wasn't "good enough", when 10 wasn't good enough"? Why the double standard?

Didn't ever say Brown will never be what Dana Holgorsen was--you made that up out of thin air. I said he has a long way to go to reach that level of success and so far it isn't looking all rosy as some have been painting.

Your last lie about my statements is more fabrication and about as ignorant a rant as I've seen.

Holgorsen in fact btw, is second ONLY to Nehlen in wins at WVU, but played against the toughest schedules WVU has ever played. He also had to move WVU into one of the toughest Power 5 conferences during his time at WVU.

Bottom line is while people lie and moan about Holgorsen--they give Brown a pass for a performance they would have bashed Holgorsen for (note the years ago William and Mary reference for Holgorsen, while still ignoring last week's performance by Brown, or acting as though its ok)

Hypocrites all of you.

 

[Buckaineer]

This is the second time I am going to ask you this question. What would you say to your counterpart in Houston that is trashing DH after game 1. You know there has to be at least 1. You were bashing Brown even before his 1st game.

Being a WVU fan I don't care what someone at Houston says to Holgorsen at Houston.

I care what people at WVU do to wreck WVUs program--like many of you who worked 24/7 365 for the last several years to chase away recruits, bash the coaches at every turn, libel him, etc.

Now for some reason it doesn't matter how the coach at WVU performs because he is from or near appalachia? WTF?

Hmmm, just what a Pitt fan or other programs fan might want. Chase away one of the most successful coaches EVER at WVU, and then champion midling results from the next one as ok.

So YOU answer the question, why is a lousy performance by Brown all good, why is a potential 3 win season (as predicted by the experts) ok, while you continue to bash Holgorsen for a bad season in 2014, and ignore his good ones?

 

[WVUALLEN]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

First WVU needs to expand their product. Some of you may disagree but where WVU is at in Big 12 WVU needs a bigger name. Might not have been the case in the Big East because we weren't playing anyone that could really recruit.

To expand the product we need to play in big games and be relevant.Dana Holgersen did this. He had three games last year. Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Had one the prior year in Virginia Tech
Had 2 in 2016 Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Neal Brown needs to get West Virginia in a position to play in a big game with a national auidence that draws more than a couple of million eyeballs.

You can talk **** about Dana but he had WV in one if not two or three of these games.
Get in these games. Get the WVU name and brand relevant and good things will happen.

Baby steps people. This doesn't change with the coach. WVU isn't like Georgia. Can't go from 7-5 to the CFP in two years. Don't even think we can win in the Big 12 in two years with a new coach especially with the direction that Texas and Oklahoma are heading. Both look better than last year as crazy as that sounds.

You're an Idiot.

Nobody is here slamming Holgorsen. Get your **** off here and troll elsewhere.

Holgorsen had nothing to do with getting a game with Virginia Tech. WVU has to play OU, Texas and OSU We're in the same conference. Who the hell said WVU can win the CFP if even possible.

Upcoming Games against PSU, Pitt, VT, Alabama, FSU. I would think that expands the freaking product.

Dana was never relevant in Big Games. When a win was necessary he fell on his *** with a loss every year.

For your information WVU can go from 0-12 to 12-0 no matter who the freaking coaching is.

WVU under the direction of Don Nehlen in 1987 went 6-5. Thevfollowing year 11-0 and in the title game in 1992 record of 5-4-2 following season went 11-0 on th brink of a title. Don Nehlen did more than any coach at WVU on expanding the product. Including the flying WV.

You crack pots come on here craving attention and I gave it to you. So enjoy it and then get out...

Lame *** reply from the dead cranium about my mother, my wife or some other ******** is coming 10..9...8...

 

[Buckaineer]

It's almost like picking on a mentally handicapped child correcting you. You keep saying stupid and contradictory things while we disagree with you but actual show logical reasoning as to why. Let's leave it at you are an unreasonable jack-*** and assume I disagree with you because I actually have a functional prefrontal cortex.

Turning to libel and personal attacks is the game of the ignorant troll who has nothing to add to the conversation, but whose ego will not allow him to be silent.

I haven't said anything at all "stupid", or "contradictory". You simply refuse to accept factual information or are too ignorant to comprehend what you are reading (which by the looks of it you probably can't do).

 

[WVUALLEN]

Being a WVU fan I don't care what someone at Houston says to Holgorsen at Houston.

I care what people at WVU do to wreck WVUs program--like many of you who worked 24/7 365 for the last several years to chase away recruits, bash the coaches at every turn, libel him, etc.

Now for some reason it doesn't matter how the coach at WVU performs because he is from or near appalachia? WTF?

Hmmm, just what a Pitt fan or other programs fan might want. Chase away one of the most successful coaches EVER at WVU, and then champion midling results from the next one as ok.

So YOU answer the question, why is a lousy performance by Brown all good, why is a potential 3 win season (as predicted by the experts) ok, while you continue to bash Holgorsen for a bad season in 2014, and ignore his good ones?

Again..link us all to where this is happening.

And this is why you're the freaking idiot for ******** relies.

The bad season was 2013.

PLEASE GIVE US ALL THE LINK TO THESE SO CALLED ATTACKS ON HOLGORSEN.

You will then see yourself in the mirror.

Pick a freaking profile and stick with. Make a decent argument and stick with it. Make good opinion maybe people will make nice with you.

 

[Buckaineer]

Well then you have to concede that it is week 2 for Missouri as well, and they too should improve over week 1.

I get that you miss Dana, nothing wrong with that, but your vitriol towards Neal Brown and all but hoping he fails is perplexing to me. He had nothing to do with Dana leaving. All he did was accept the job Dana didn’t want anymore.

You don’t have to hate one guy to miss the other.

Total mischaracterization. Most of you hoped Dana Holgorsen failed from day one. Never credited any of his many successes, just made up vitriol and hate and libeled him at every turn.

Helped to chase off one of the best coaches ever at WVU. That's not bad enough, now all of a sudden, you are CHAMPIONING mediocrity or worse.

WHY? Why is it now ok for WVU to eke out a win against a low level team--at home in front of a sellout crowd? Why are some now acting as though ehh, if they only win 3 games its all good, that's the way it should be---when DH was winning at a much higher level--even bringing in some 10 win seasons it was "off with his head"!!! and every manner of excuse to excuse away his success.

None of you now get a pass for your actions the last several years, and your allegiance is highly questionable. You are bashing one of the best coaches ever at WVU--held up by the record books, and championing mediocrity or worse after chasing off the previous coach. NOW, after years of incessant yammering and trolling by all of you, you don't want anyone saying anything when a poor showing by the new coach is the result? You made your bed now lay in it.

 

[Buckaineer]

Again..link us all to where this is happening.

And this is why you're the freaking idiot for ******** relies.

The bad season was 2013.

PLEASE GIVE US ALL THE LINK TO THESE SO CALLED ATTACKS ON HOLGORSEN.

You will then see yourself in the mirror.

Pick a freaking profile and stick with. Make a decent argument and stick with it. Make good opinion maybe people will make nice with you.

Good lord, can't even be honest about that now? Some of you are trying to blame Holgorsen in this thread and others for the poor showing by Brown in game one, and you are asking for links?

Just go through the pages on this forum and look for Holgorsen threads. You don't need a link. Don't know how long back they go, but go as far back as you can and move forward.

I guess one can't expect honesty about libelous hypocrites who troll message boards night and day though.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Turning to libel and personal attacks is the game of the ignorant troll who has nothing to add to the conversation, but whose ego will not allow him to be silent.

I haven't said anything at all "stupid", or "contradictory". You simply refuse to accept factual information or are too ignorant to comprehend what you are reading (which by the looks of it you probably can't do).

You call Brown an inferior product and say its hypocritical to be understanding that this is his first season at the helm when we would "bash" Holgorsen for doing the same. It is stupid to make an apples to apples comparison on a head coaches first game compared to his 113th. Thus, you have said stupid things. You act like limping past JMU is indicative of Brown's future success despite it being his first game. You throw away rebuttals that DH had the same opening game struggles before fielding a 4-8 team in his 3rd season because he eventually grew into "one of the greatest coaches ever." It is contradictory to say that an 8 season coach deserved the benefit of the doubt in his early struggles, but call others hypocrites for doing the same with the new coach. It's contradictory in trashing posters for being understanding and hopeful with Brown while saying it was the right stance to take with Holgorsen. Thus, you have said contradictory things.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Good lord, can't even be honest about that now? Some of you are trying to blame Holgorsen in this thread and others for the poor showing by Brown in game one, and you are asking for links?

Just go through the pages on this forum and look for Holgorsen threads. You don't need a link. Don't know how long back they go, but go as far back as you can and move forward.

I guess one can't expect honesty about libelous hypocrites who troll message boards night and day though.

Didn't see any. But I did see other opinions. For some freaking reason you're taking as the gospel truth that everyone in the state of WV is attacking a previous. Everybody has flaws in character. Everybody goes through ups and downs.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Here's the attacks I see...open your eyes. It all comes from you.

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

Good lord, can't even be honest about that now? Some of you are trying to blame Holgorsen in this thread and others for the poor showing by Brown in game one, and you are asking for links?

Just go through the pages on this forum and look for Holgorsen threads. You don't need a link. Don't know how long back they go, but go as far back as you can and move forward.

I guess one can't expect honesty about libelous hypocrites who troll message boards night and day though.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Good lord, can't even be honest about that now? Some of you are trying to blame Holgorsen in this thread and others for the poor showing by Brown in game one, and you are asking for links?

Just go through the pages on this forum and look for Holgorsen threads. You don't need a link. Don't know how long back they go, but go as far back as you can and move forward.

I guess one can't expect honesty about libelous hypocrites who troll message boards night and day though.

So we are trolls because we ask that you prove your accusations against us? You claim we hated DH from the get go and were unfairly harsh with him. Not in general, but specifically posters like myself who contradict your assertions. You have this unreasonable idea that expectations shouldn't be any different if a coach inherits an upperclassman QB with 2 years starting experience within the program and 2 great WRs in Austin and Bailey. Even if all the attrition in the off season didn't happen, the roster would not have been as good for 2019 as it was for 2011. I'll point out that only 3 were starters that were going to be eligible to play this season, but you ignore that fact everytime. You also have the unreasonable idea that criticism should be the same for struggling to a one TD win vs an FCS team in a coach's 1st season as their 3rd season.

When Holgorsen took over for Stewart, I was hopeful. I thought Stewart had failings that he refused to recognize or correct and that was going to keep WVU from ever fielding an elite team. I was understanding that there could be lumps, but was hopeful that 3-4 seasons later WVU would be better. Instead WVU regressed during that time. Holgorsen had 4 more seasons in which he recovered, but never really did better than his first year. Like Stewart, Dana kept making recurrent mistakes that ultimately caused WVU to fall short. It was time to give someone else a chance to do better. It is reasonable opportunity to have 8 seasons to show what kind of HC you are. Hence, I'm as hopeful for Brown as I was for Holgorsen and am willing to give him some leeway in the first 2 seasons.

 

[Rootmaster]

Being a WVU fan

Your comments continually say otherwise lol.

 

[Buckaineer]

Your comments continually say otherwise lol.

Pointing out the previous coach was one of the best ever at WVU "says otherwise"?

But you bashing the previous coach since the day he got to WVU and chasing away recruits and coaches alike as best you could, and now celebrating mediocrity makes you a fan?

Man, the troll mind works in odd ways. Up is down and left is right with you--NUTS.

 

[Rootmaster]

As I said before Bucky Wucky. lol

 

[eerdoc]

At some point the moron trolls here will learn Neal Brown has to stand on his own two feet.

His failures have nothing to do with the previous coach and everything to do with what he does.

Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in and to see what he can do against another P5 team on the road. The most improvement is supposed to happen game one to two-tgis is it, the road isnt going to get any easier thats for sure.

"...Next game is put up time..."
Totally and absolutely an idiotic statement. Only someone with reasonability limited to shallow and unrealistic childish process would harbor any thoughts that the problems that greeted NB when he arrived would disappear after a single game. Many (maybe even you) wrote off the game with Missouri as a loss before NB held his first practice. It is no different now after having played one game. Improvements, corrections, better play are al antic[ated with game two. Missouri came into their opener with high season expectations. They, also are anticipating corrections of those factors that led to their defeat. So, to make a statement such as was made shows a lack of maturity, understanding of situation/circumstances that most adults would find troubling in their pre-teen children. I pity you if this represents your level of functionality as a , presumed, adult. You note that the road is not getting easier (although the road last week was quite a tough one even though the biases rein supreme for those unwilling or unable to factor in facts when reaching conclusions). For a starter, take a long look at who got onto the field last week and consider their playing pedigree. Then, I suggest, you re-consider your unreasonable expectations as displayed in your nonsensical utterance--
"...Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in ..."

 

[Buckaineer]

So we are trolls because we ask that you prove your accusations against us? You claim we hated DH from the get go and were unfairly harsh with him. Not in general, but specifically posters like myself who contradict your assertions. You have this unreasonable idea that expectations shouldn't be any different if a coach inherits an upperclassman QB with 2 years starting experience within the program and 2 great WRs in Austin and Bailey. Even if all the attrition in the off season didn't happen, the roster would not have been as good for 2019 as it was for 2011. I'll point out that only 3 were starters that were going to be eligible to play this season, but you ignore that fact everytime. You also have the unreasonable idea that criticism should be the same for struggling to a one TD win vs an FCS team in a coach's 1st season as their 3rd season.

When Holgorsen took over for Stewart, I was hopeful. I thought Stewart had failings that he refused to recognize or correct and that was going to keep WVU from ever fielding an elite team. I was understanding that there could be lumps, but was hopeful that 3-4 seasons later WVU would be better. Instead WVU regressed during that time. Holgorsen had 4 more seasons in which he recovered, but never really did better than his first year. Like Stewart, Dana kept making recurrent mistakes that ultimately caused WVU to fall short. It was time to give someone else a chance to do better. It is reasonable opportunity to have 8 seasons to show what kind of HC you are. Hence, I'm as hopeful for Brown as I was for Holgorsen and am willing to give him some leeway in the first 2 seasons.

Its funny. Posters such as you never prove ANYTHING. Not one damn thing. Just make baseless comments endlessly. Yet I have to "prove" something about you, when anyone can simply come to the site, look at any of the numerous threads about Holgorsen and see the incessant bashing?

Dishonesty at its finest. You want to see it--do as I stated, go back as far back as you can in this forum, look at ANY thread about Holgorsen--there are many--and read. You'll find what you seek.

 

[Buckaineer]

"...Next game is put up time..."
Totally and absolutely an idiotic statement. Only someone with reasonability limited to shallow and unrealistic childish process would harbor any thoughts that the problems that greeted NB when he arrived would disappear after a single game. Many (maybe even you) wrote off the game with Missouri as a loss before NB held his first practice. It is no different now after having played one game. Improvements, corrections, better play are al antic[ated with game two. Missouri came into their opener with high season expectations. They, also are anticipating corrections of those factors that led to their defeat. So, to make a statement such as was made shows a lack of maturity, understanding of situation/circumstances that most adults would find troubling in their pre-teen children. I pity you if this represents your level of functionality as a , presumed, adult. You note that the road is not getting easier (although the road last week was quite a tough one even though the biases rein supreme for those unwilling or unable to factor in facts when reaching conclusions). For a starter, take a long look at who got onto the field last week and consider their playing pedigree. Then, I suggest, you re-consider your unreasonable expectations as displayed in your nonsensical utterance--
"...Next game is put up time- time to show why he was brought in ..."

Neal Brown wasn't greeted with any problems. He got new facilities. Had numerous starters with experience and a program that contended up until the last game for a BIG 12 championship.

He has a major program in a major conference that has nationwide recognition.

Then, he chased away a good portion of the starters--something many of you bashed Holgorsen for endlessly (and he never had so many important players go at once).

Now, in the first game which should have been an easy tune up, we saw--penalties. We saw an ineffective running game. We saw poor defense on numerous plays. We saw an offense likely to have WVU in terrible position to win games in the generally high scoring BIG 12 (or against the many other major opponents WVU must face).

You can troll me all you like with your blathering nonsense, but you can't hide that there are problems of the new coaches making that will have to be addressed. You can't hide behind your hatred of Holgorsen anymore.

The next game will indeed show us where this coach is going this year with this squad.

 

[Buckaineer]

You call Brown an inferior product and say its hypocritical to be understanding that this is his first season at the helm when we would "bash" Holgorsen for doing the same. It is stupid to make an apples to apples comparison on a head coaches first game compared to his 113th. Thus, you have said stupid things. You act like limping past JMU is indicative of Brown's future success despite it being his first game. You throw away rebuttals that DH had the same opening game struggles before fielding a 4-8 team in his 3rd season because he eventually grew into "one of the greatest coaches ever." It is contradictory to say that an 8 season coach deserved the benefit of the doubt in his early struggles, but call others hypocrites for doing the same with the new coach. It's contradictory in trashing posters for being understanding and hopeful with Brown while saying it was the right stance to take with Holgorsen. Thus, you have said contradictory things.

I said Brown had inferior results in game one--results the lot of you are now championing while you hypocrites bashed Holgorsen for doing far better.

Get your story straight, stop playing make believe and lying. Just makes you seem even more dishonest and stupid than you are.

 

[eerdoc]

Total mischaracterization. Most of you hoped Dana Holgorsen failed from day one. Never credited any of his many successes, just made up vitriol and hate and libeled him at every turn.

Helped to chase off one of the best coaches ever at WVU. That's not bad enough, now all of a sudden, you are CHAMPIONING mediocrity or worse.

WHY? Why is it now ok for WVU to eke out a win against a low level team--at home in front of a sellout crowd? Why are some now acting as though ehh, if they only win 3 games its all good, that's the way it should be---when DH was winning at a much higher level--even bringing in some 10 win seasons it was "off with his head"!!! and every manner of excuse to excuse away his success.

None of you now get a pass for your actions the last several years, and your allegiance is highly questionable. You are bashing one of the best coaches ever at WVU--held up by the record books, and championing mediocrity or worse after chasing off the previous coach. NOW, after years of incessant yammering and trolling by all of you, you don't want anyone saying anything when a poor showing by the new coach is the result? You made your bed now lay in it.

Neal Brown wasn't greeted with any problems. He got new facilities. Had numerous starters with experience and a program that contended up until the last game for a BIG 12 championship.

He has a major program in a major conference that has nationwide recognition.

Then, he chased away a good portion of the starters--something many of you bashed Holgorsen for endlessly (and he never had so many important players go at once).

Now, in the first game which should have been an easy tune up, we saw--penalties. We saw an ineffective running game. We saw poor defense on numerous plays. We saw an offense likely to have WVU in terrible position to win games in the generally high scoring BIG 12 (or against the many other major opponents WVU must face).

You can troll me all you like with your blathering nonsense, but you can't hide that there are problems of the new coaches making that will have to be addressed. You can't hide behind your hatred of Holgorsen anymore.

The next game will indeed show us where this coach is going this year with this squad.

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”

― Mark Twain
So true in this case, although I am not convinced that 'fool' is a strong enough word to use in this instance. I might prefer "mentally challenged individual" (oft referred to as 'idiot')