At least Neal Brown has
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That’s the one thing I didn’t like about DH. He carried himself like a redneck classless punk sometimes.
I wish Holgorsen well in his new endeavors, he left WVU as one of the winningest coaches in program history, despite playing the toughest schedules ever faced by Mountaineer squads.
Hopefully Brown is able to at least have the success Holgorsen brought WVU if not more so eventually.
Hopefully Brown is able to at least have the success Holgorsen brought WVU if not more so eventually.
Congrats on his 61-51 record. 9-17 vs top 25. Big 12 33-30. Bill Stewart left him one of the best teams ever and he finished 7-6. He had his perhaps greatest teams ever the past 2 season and went 7-6 and 8-5...that's 15-11. In 2012 he was 2-6 in his final 8 thanks to KU and ISU. He went 1-4 in last 5 games of 2014. He went 5-1 in final games of 2015 vs teams of .500 or less. He went 4-2 in final 6 vs teams that sucked. The 2 losses were Miami and OU. He lost final 3 in 2017 and final 3 in 2018.
He could never finish. Probably why his wife divorced him
I'll take family man over a drunken gambling hairless tool any day.
You mean the last two years in the Big East at a time when it was never a weaker conference and the Big-12 that has been crippled conference since WVU has been a member. It has 10 teams, 9 of which have been mediocre at best and one that occasionally works up the effort to be somebody.
Yeah tough schedules. We have had weak schedules and played down to even less merit. Playing in the Big-12 is tossed around by poster like you as if it is some lofty pedestal. WVU has access to a higher range of players equal to our level of competition and we under performed every year under Dana. He could not recruit and he could not call a decent game to save his life.
I would love to see West Virginia recruit not just one Top 10 class but consecutive Top 10 classes. Maybe even 4 in a row.
WVU doesn't have access to the players that some other schools in this conference have. The issue with that isn't Dana. Dana recruited to the highest level WVU has ever been at during his time here.
Attacking Dana for what he supposedly did wrong is laying the foundation for people to do the same to Neal Brown. It will be hard for Brown to recruit to a Top 20 level let alone a Top 10 or even Top 5. Oklahoma signed one of the best QBs in 2019 and they are signing another 5 star QB in 2021. OU has recruited more 5 stars in the 2019, 2020, 2021 recruiting classes than WV has done in their history.
DH was ok. Not great of course but there were some nice wins along the way. He missed on a couple games per year and that kept him from being a very solid coach. Tool fanboys like root canal are pathetic.
Rootcanal:joy:
That guy has touched some balls in his life but doubt it was a football
The BIG 12 has consistently been rated as the toughest conference or very near they top by rating services such as Sagarin.
No other conference has its teams having to beat everyone else in the conference to win the conference. No one else has the best teams facing each other a second time in the CCG.
You can lie about it all day, but under Holgorsen WVU played not only more ranked teams, but more HIGHLY ranked teams than anyone ever has and most were conference teams.
Hate to break it to you but few other WVU coaches fared better than Holgorsen.
Its a fact. Its in the history books. And no one played a more difficult schedule year after year either.
We saw year one what happens when a quality coach took over for one that was failing--a Big East championship and stomping of Clemson in still historic fashion.
Neal Brown? Long way to go to match the successes of Holgorsen. Hopefully he will, but so far? Not one win.
No other conference has its teams having to beat everyone else in the conference to win the conference. No one else has the best teams facing each other a second time in the CCG.
You can lie about it all day, but under Holgorsen WVU played not only more ranked teams, but more HIGHLY ranked teams than anyone ever has and most were conference teams.
Hate to break it to you but few other WVU coaches fared better than Holgorsen.
Its a fact. Its in the history books. And no one played a more difficult schedule year after year either.
We saw year one what happens when a quality coach took over for one that was failing--a Big East championship and stomping of Clemson in still historic fashion.
Neal Brown? Long way to go to match the successes of Holgorsen. Hopefully he will, but so far? Not one win.
Not sure who the people spouting off on this board are, but they obviously don't have much knowledge of college football. To think WVU was going to come in and dominate a power like Oklahoma and the many other great teams in the conference year in and out is lunacy.
And to not understand the difficulty of travel, playing in a new and much more difficult conference, mixed in with having to play many more highly ranked schools while also trying to improve the roster (which he did from the previous coach in leaps and bounds)? You just are lost and shouldn't be in the discussion at all.
The Big East wasn't a weak conference at all. It rated ahead of the ACC nearly every year, and was ahead of other power conferences--even in its final years.
The fact that WVU, Louisville competed so well against other conferences champions showed that despite the liars that conference was very good.
The BIG 12 is better, and now instead of worrying about 7 schools WVU has to beat 9 of them, nearly all of which are as good or far better than the top opponents WVU used to face yearly.
If Coach Brown performs as Dana did, then I will be the first to do the same to him. WVU is not going through this time and money to get mediocre results. I did not say anything about a top-10 class or a top anything class. Dana recruited no class. His best players during his tenure fell into his lap through no effort or foresight on his own. That is tragic in a head coach. If Neal Brown performs like that, the protest-marts will run out of torches and pitchforks. He will deserve it just as Dana did and does.
The Big East was at its best from 1999 to 2002. It had a renaissance between 2004 and 2007. But that second go around was weaker than the first and WVU made that second go around worthy of respect in the BCS wins. The conference was in a shambles after WVU botched it at home with Pitt. It was never anything more than a mess everyone was trying to figure out how to best pull apart and salvage the best pieces.
The Big-12 has been awful since it went through a civil war that saw 4 schools leave and two mediocre schools brought in to stem the blood loss. It has not recovered from that debacle as of this date and if the current news is accurate it will not recover for a time to come.
The Big-12 is a great paycheck but that is it.
You did say West Virginia has access to the same talent as everyone.
Dana for the most part did pretty well in terms of bringing in talent in relation to his recruiting. WV has around the same number of players in the NFL as Texas and Oklahoma.
You are asking Neal Brown to pretty much grasp perfection. This is hard for any coach. Think your expectations for West Virginia must come down. Nothing wrong with WV being 6-6 on the low end and 10-2 on the high end. Pretty much TCU, Oklahoma State and maybe even Iowa State now.
Here is talent in terms of recruiting ranking for 2019 rosters
Big 12:
Texas - 7th nationally
Oklahoma - 8th nationally
TCU - 31st nationally
Baylor - 36th nationally
Oklahoma State - 38th nationally
West Virginia - 40th nationally
Iowa State - 55th nationally
Texas Tech - 63rd nationally
Kansas State - 72nd nationally
Kansas - 73rd nationally
Truthfully WVU needs to be in front of TCU, Oklahoma State and Baylor before we start demanding 10 win seasons on the regular.
Better recruiting and to evaluate at the same level as Dana Holgorsen
He did evaluate pretty well. Don't care what anyone says
@Charleston Mountie in action.
Dave and doneagain exposed him here.
Calling WVU mediocre gave him away on this topic and made me look him up.
"through a civil war that saw 4 schools leave and two mediocre schools brought in to stem" Post #19 -Charleston Mountie
WV is more than mediocre. Especially with your supposed expectations for them.
Should be included with the Undesirables like GregJacobs, MichiganHerd and tosugrad
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....g-wvu-in-upcoming-season.208314/#post-2552615
Dave and doneagain exposed him here.
Calling WVU mediocre gave him away on this topic and made me look him up.
"through a civil war that saw 4 schools leave and two mediocre schools brought in to stem" Post #19 -Charleston Mountie
WV is more than mediocre. Especially with your supposed expectations for them.
Should be included with the Undesirables like GregJacobs, MichiganHerd and tosugrad
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....g-wvu-in-upcoming-season.208314/#post-2552615
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Every other conference has a few Kansas level teams.
The BIG 12 has rated right up at the top most years WVU has been in the conference. To pretend otherwise is to deny reality.
There is no more difficult path than the BIG 12s round robin.
Which is totally killing the Big 12. This round robin works for basketball, baseball but not football.
When and if Texas ever steps it's game up to OU consistently winning the Big 12 with the 2 battling it out. The rest will be battling for 3rd on a yearly basis.
Problem is nobody is capable of stepping up their program to join. With the exception of BYU which Big 12 will not take in.
With the Holgorsen nobody is saying they hated the guy. But he was not the one to lead WVU to a title. Wins or not he never finished. WVU and Holgorsen left on mutual terms.The marriage had run it course he was not fired.
The BIG 12 has been rated at or near the top of conferences since WVU joined it. Its never been "terrible" as you claim, its been the best or neck and neck and is the most difficult conference to win. To claim otherwise shows you have no college football knowledge.
The Big East
in 2011-12 WVUs final year was the 5th best conference just behind the Pac and ahead of the acc.
WVU--Big East champs and BCS rep under Holgorsen in his first year, crushed the ACC champion in the Orange Bowl 70-33
in 2010-2011the Big East was the 6th best, just behind the Big Ten in points.
in 2009-2011 the Big East was the number 2 ranked conference in the country.
In 2008-2009 the Big East was 5th best, ahead of the Big Ten conference
07-08 4th ahead of the Big Ten and acc--champ WVU crushed Big IIX champ Oklahoma
06-07 rated the #2 conference ahead of the pac, acc, b10 and Big IIX--champ Louisville beat the acc champ by double digits in the BCS
05-06 rated 6th best
It wasn't the best conference, it wasn't the worst, but was similar in strength regardless of membership.
The BIG 12 isn't being "killed", its been in the playoff like the Big Ten and Pac 12. But all three of these conferences are playing tougher schedules than acc and Sec squads every year with their 8 conference games and numerous fcs and lower level G5 home games OOC.
Texas and OU don't win the BIG 12 every year and usually don't beat everyone else in the conference either, its a very balanced conference top to bottom. Moreso than the other P5 conferences.
There are several teams like UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, USF and others capable of competing and winning games if they were BIG 12 members. The conference has little interest in expanding at the present time however. Maybe that will change as they work on their next media contracts .
Keep up the laughs. If these teams were ready they would be there. Media is not going to allow those teams in. Much less the Big 12. If these guys were to bring in money for a bigger TV contract then Big 12 would take them.
If they were that good and able to compete in Big 12 then that means Big 12 not as strong as you think.
In 20 years OU has won the conference 12 times. Texas 3. That's 15 out 26 years of Big 12 existence. OU 4 Big Championships in a row 6 of the last 10 years. OU is separating from the pack. Texas is trying to do so.
Uhh, Pac 12 is a failure.ACC is better. The last 3 years it's been Alabama and Clemson with Clemson winning 2. Both over the supposed god Alabama.
We liked you better when you posted as Greg.
Big East was a joke. WVU carries it when Miami left. The rest of the Big East was garbage.
Buck, It's like this. The Big12 doesn't want to date your sister. She may have a nice personality, she may not even been that bad looking, but they don't want to send her to form school, invest in her wardrobe, elevate her manners, buy her a new house, a new car, elocution classes, .plastic surgery, Lasik, personal trainer, dental work... you know.
Last I checked ie UCF went indefeated two years in a row, won a NY6 bowl and came very close last year against a major SEC team.
Thats the reality of these schools that could be added. Houston and others have had similar results. Several of these schools have also produced good tv ratings.
None of the mindless drivel some have spouted means anything re these potential adds.
Right now the B12 is in the middle of a contract, in a few years theyll need a new one. At that time adding some quality programs and schools may make sense in order for everyone to make more and increase exposure.
Thats the reality of these schools that could be added. Houston and others have had similar results. Several of these schools have also produced good tv ratings.
None of the mindless drivel some have spouted means anything re these potential adds.
Right now the B12 is in the middle of a contract, in a few years theyll need a new one. At that time adding some quality programs and schools may make sense in order for everyone to make more and increase exposure.
Last I checked UCF couldn't even make the playoffs.
2018 (11-1)
UCONN 1-11
SC St. 5-6
UNC - 2-9 canceled
Florida Atlantic 5-7
Pitt 7-7
SMU 5-7
Memphis 8-6 (played twice)
East Carolina 3-9
Temple 8-5
Navy 3-10
Cincinnati 11-2
USF 7-6
LSU 10-3 (lost in Fiesta Bowl)
2017 (12-0) Playoff Committee Laughed at their schedule
FIU 8-5
Georgia Tech 5-6 Canceled
Maryland 4-8
Memphis 10-3 (played twice)
Cincinnati 4-8
East Carolina 3-9
Navy 7-6
SMU 7-6
UCONN 3-9
Temple 7-6
USF 10-2
Auburn 10-4 (won Chick-Fil-A Bowl)
2016 (6-7)
SC State 5-6
Michigan 10-3
Maryland 6-7
FIU 4-8
East Carolina 3-9
Temple 10-4
UCONN 3-9
Houston 9-4
Tulane 4-8
Cincinnati 3-8
Tulsa 10-3
USF 11-2
2015 (0-12) Played 3 teams with an above .500 record.
AAC is just a Step above CUSA.
Their schedule is laughable.
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2018 (11-1)
UCONN 1-11
SC St. 5-6
UNC - 2-9 canceled
Florida Atlantic 5-7
Pitt 7-7
SMU 5-7
Memphis 8-6 (played twice)
East Carolina 3-9
Temple 8-5
Navy 3-10
Cincinnati 11-2
USF 7-6
LSU 10-3 (lost in Fiesta Bowl)
2017 (12-0) Playoff Committee Laughed at their schedule
FIU 8-5
Georgia Tech 5-6 Canceled
Maryland 4-8
Memphis 10-3 (played twice)
Cincinnati 4-8
East Carolina 3-9
Navy 7-6
SMU 7-6
UCONN 3-9
Temple 7-6
USF 10-2
Auburn 10-4 (won Chick-Fil-A Bowl)
2016 (6-7)
SC State 5-6
Michigan 10-3
Maryland 6-7
FIU 4-8
East Carolina 3-9
Temple 10-4
UCONN 3-9
Houston 9-4
Tulane 4-8
Cincinnati 3-8
Tulsa 10-3
USF 11-2
2015 (0-12) Played 3 teams with an above .500 record.
AAC is just a Step above CUSA.
Their schedule is laughable.
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Don't have to hate Dana to like Neal Brown and if you like Dana it doesn't mean you don't like Neal Brown.
But Neal Brown is your coach right now and Dana isn't. It was Dana's choice. A lot of that has to do with him personally more than it does WVU. I think the guy is bit of a megalomaniac.
But Neal Brown is your coach right now and Dana isn't. It was Dana's choice. A lot of that has to do with him personally more than it does WVU. I think the guy is bit of a megalomaniac.
UCF was qualified for playoffs and artificially held out. But no one can deny their ability to compete. Or several other schools.
A few of these schools meet all the necessary metrics and the BIG 12 said several would be additive to the conference.
There are choices if the B12 goes that route- we shall see.
UCF has to create an impression that they are superior to the other Florida schools to join the Big 12.
Mainly because there is a chance at some of the Big 12 merging with the ACC
Why settle for UCF when Florida State is still on the table.
UCF is doing a decent job but their window is very small.
1) ACC network is a success
2) They continue to get better in every sport. They would be considered the #7 best program in Big 12
3) More importantly level the playing field in Florida
Mainly because there is a chance at some of the Big 12 merging with the ACC
Why settle for UCF when Florida State is still on the table.
UCF is doing a decent job but their window is very small.
1) ACC network is a success
2) They continue to get better in every sport. They would be considered the #7 best program in Big 12
3) More importantly level the playing field in Florida
Theres no chance BIG 12 schools merge with acc schools. Theres a slim chance acc schools join the BIG 12
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Everything to do with conference realignment will be determined by the ACC network in the current. What happens if the network is a failure is anyone's guess.
You ignored @WVUALLEN post because you lose the argument if you don’t. They weren’t held out of playoff. They didn’t beat anyone worth mentioning. One thing that is artificial is an argument that UCF could compete year in year out in the Big12.
UCF doesnt have to be superior they just need to be qualified in necessary areas and the BIg 12 has to want to add them.
Theres 0 chance of BIG 12 doing anything but adding schools from other conferences or remaining as is.
Theres 0 chance of BIG 12 doing anything but adding schools from other conferences or remaining as is.
Even if the acc network is a success acc schools will be 4th in revenues and many millions behind the BIG 12 schools in media rights. Currently 10 million behind on average per school and that includes every possible thing anyone calls media rights.
If the acc net doesnt bridge the financial gap for them then in about 5 years the acc floodgates will open wide