Lol, all of this is just "white noise" so they can take a break from defending all the dumb **** their hero does, says and tweets, Kim only smiles when he sees Donnie!
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"Keyser" definitely a White Nationalist Socialist Workers Party name. Shut up Nazi.
Here are some examples from you....
- Socialists would argue that this is antithetical to their beliefs and that the workers should be controlling the industry, not the state or the industrialists as it was in this case. Fascism and corporatism are closely linked, and that is clearly the case in Nazi Germany.
- If corporatism (capitalism) is aligned with fascism, socialism is seen as a lessor evil.
- I'm not trying to defend socialism. I have condemned communism on this board multiple times. I'm defending the accuracy and honest history.
- You have never condemned Socialism. You did say that extreme socialism is bad...
- If you want to talk about the dangers of socialism, I won't say anything to stop you. There is plenty there to be criticized. However, it's important to not forget that there is just as much evil waiting on the far right of the spectrum. You can't just keep moving to more and more extreme right ideas and not expect to at some point think that gathering a lot of people together and killing them all is the way to go. How many today people would support mass executions of illegal immigrants? I bet it's more than most want to admit.
- Deflect from socialism to focus on capitalism and fascism.
- Just as its pretty easy to differentiate a liberal from a revolutionary socialist, it's easy to differentiate a conservative from a Nazi fascist. I'm not sure why conservatives are so self conscious about this. This didn't seem to be a problem until the rise of the alt-right. Hell, now one of the most common tropes in conservative circles is now that a Jew (Soros), who is only loyal to his money (greed) and his globalist (Jewish) friends are working to undermine the United States in various ways. Seems a lot like something a Nazi might say.
- But then you link conservatives to the NAZI party on a regular basis
- I am not aware that Soro's is spending money to protect the jews, he wants a socialist society. period!
- At this particular point in history, however, fascist elements are hard at work to co-opt right wing politics to their cause. If you aren't aware of the dangers of fascism rising from the right, because people have convinced you that fascism is a leftist issue, you won't realize that is happening until it's too late. As a matter of fact, most people who spend time in the ranks of Nazi groups and leave, later talk about how they didn't even realize they were being radicalized. It's not just a message board argument, it's an existential treat to liberal democracy.
- See point 4, you claim that you can differentiate between socialists but you can't between a conservative and a fascist. You separate the extreme socialist views but lump conservatives
- I have seen this argument becoming more and more common recently. It is a disinformation campaign meant to disguise the rise of fascism in mainstream western politics; which I believe is the greatest threat to liberal democracy in several generations. That movement has seized on right wing politics. Nobody wants to become a Nazi, but if they can convince everyone Nazis were something else it becomes a lot easier. It is very disconcerting to see it spreading here.
- TRUTH is capitalism is the greatest threat to liberal democracy. Linking conservative, capitalist to fascism is a tactic deployed by socialist in the US!
- Case in point, they write things like this that show a complete misrepresentation of fascism. Thebare adamantly anti-socialist, which is fine. However, they want to tie fascism to it in order to make it seem even worse.
- Defending socialism at every turn...I used a jewish economist that you labeled as a nut job. You also stated that NAZI's painted Jews as socialist so that they could executed and deported.
- Lives lost? Socialism was practiced for over a century and certainly by its fair number of despots, but also in some form by most developed nations of the world today. Fascism had, what, a 20 year run of actual power if we look at Mussolini? Hitlers actual time in power was just around half of that. In that time it managed to cause the deaths of around 80 million people. They also had a lot of friends and sympathizers in the United States that were focused on keeping us out of the war. What happens if Pearl Harbor is never attacked and we don't declare war. How long does England last? Does a German army fighting on a single Eastern front change the outcome there? Give the Nazis 50 years of European domination and how do those body counts start looking?
- Defending socialism as less dangerous as fascism? How can you differentiate govs in the EU (varying forms of socialist policy) but not when it comes to conservatives and fascism?
- As I said before, the US isnt fascist, at least not yet....However, there is major nation who appears to fit the model well. Russia. Russia today isnt that far off of Mussolini-Italy. A lot of Trumps economic policies fit best with fascism. Tarrifs, trade wars, protectionism, nationalism. He absolutely admires strongmen dictators and seems to envision himself as one.
- Projecting that conservatives are fascists, the exact opposite of socialism.
- Russia is not in any way capitalist or conservative, so why try to link them? You are implying that the US and Russia are turning into the form of gov. Really?
- I think capitalism works best when the government regulates it to ensure a level playing field and for the health and safety of workers and the public.
- When asked to clarify, you only brought up worker safety.
- You never explained what a level playing field is.
He only has one goal, paint the right as fascist and allow socialism to take root in the US. Pretty simple...
Corporatism and capitalism are not the same thing.
Liberal democracies have thrived on capitalism for centuries. Do you know what a liberal democracy is?
Socialism is practiced around the world. France, Sweeden, Canada....all and more all have incorporated some sort of socialistic policies into economies. Nobody was killed in the process and it didnt require a revolution. This was a quote taken from my argument that fascism is a greater threat than socialism. If you interpret that as some endorsement of socialism.... [pfftt]
If you think I am calling conservatives fascists you are wrong. I am calling a certain loud and growing group on the right fascists because that is what the alt right is. Look at the posts by Brushy lately. He has declared conservatism dead.....what might he be saying has replaced it?
I'm not sure why you dont understand what a level playing field is. It is reflective of how capitalism has been practiced for over a century in the United States. Companies arent allowed to engage in activities that prevent competition, workers are protected, companies arent allowed to issue their own currency, debts can always be paid in money, etc. Don't try to make that something it isn't.
The truth is, if you support Trumps trade policies you are less of a supporter of free market capitalism than I am.
I have already made clear that Russia is a fascist state now, very similar to Italy under Mussolini. That's a simple and observable fact. The US isnt one, but it isnt as far away as you want to admit.
Btw, I labeled Ayn Rand a nutjob.
The only people who still believe Austrian Economics has value voted for Ron Paul. Theybhave even less value when it comes to their takes on history and politics.
I like when you guys switch from attacking the argument to attacking me personally. It means I've won.
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The Democratic Republic of Korea, is that North or South? The German Democratic Republic, was that East or West Germany? The Democratic Republic of Vietnam, North or South?You posted a Vox article. GTFOH. Yes we know you socialist don't liked to be linked to Hitler. Too bad! Nazi Germany was national socialist. In other words racist socialist. Nazi Germany may have allowed private busines ownership but the government controlled the means of production. Hitler was a racist socialist.
Adolf Hitler on Nazism and socialism:] “Each activity and each need of the individual will thereby be regulated by the party as the representative of the general good. There will be no license, no free space, in which the individual belongs to himself. This is Socialism—not such trifles as the private possession of the means of production. Of what importance is that if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them then own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the party, is supreme over them, regardless whether they are owners or workers. All that, you see, is unessential. Our Socialism goes far deeper . . . .
“[T]he people about us are unaware of what is really happening to them. They gaze fascinated at one or two familiar superficialities, such as possessions and income and rank and other outworn conceptions. As long as these are kept intact, they are quite satisfied. But in the meantime they have entered a new relation; a powerful social force has caught them up. They themselves are changed. What are ownership and income to that? Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.”
(Adolf Hitler to Hermann Rauschning, quoted by) Leonard Peikoff,
The Ominous Parallels, 231
But your argument isn't? You claim socialism for Hitler simply based on the word in the full name of the party. You aren't looking at the economic model, just the name. I can give you a ton of examples where that's bad practice, and those 3 nations were a starting point.
He used fascism and socialism. He also controlled the means of production. You socialist hate being called nazi's don't you.
There is hundreds of post from several of us posting factual evidence on the OT board.. You socialist need to own your love for Nazis. It's why you support BDS.
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When you say stuff like that I harken back to yesteryear when certain not hyocrites claim everyone who supports Trump is a racist.
Oh - the whole thread was just trolling to trigger the libs? - I’m shocked I tell you
I quoted you without changing a word. That is not an attack, that is simply pointing out what you are saying over a period of a couple of days...nothing more, nothing less.
Political Science is not a hard science, it is subjective based on the individual who is interpreting the data or applying different criteria on the same data set, ie, the NAZI's using socialism to control the masses. Some economist say it happened, others don't.
Throwing political labels and discussing WW2 political leanings is one thing, trying to paint a group of individuals as fascist is another. This discussion is not a history discussion, it is a discussion about the political climate in the US today. You want a socialist government which resembles France, Canada, etc. Quit dancing around it and admit it. You want a progressive socialist economy. Others disagree, go figure.
You use new political terms to belittle conservatives. Alt-Right is a perfect example. That term is nothing more than an attempt marginalize conservatives (particularly Trump supporters) into a basket of deplorable's. You also use the term liberal, liberally. You use the term liberal democracy as it is intended. but you also use it as a replacement for your progressive socialist agenda. Very few people use the term liberal democracy in the US to describe our system of gov.. The term liberal has taken on a new meaning yet you continue to use it. I wonder why?
The kicker is thinking that Trump has somehow rewritten the constitution and we are now headed for a fascist takeover. First, you try and say Russia is fascist and the US is getting closer (Trump is a Russian bot), next up, Trump is socialist because he wants China to open up it's economy for US trade. He is doing this because he is Alt-Right and wants to put the brown man in jail-not sure how you link it, help me out.
On the other hand, you want to socialize 25% of our economy (healthcare) and pretend like that is the next step in societal evolution. What else do you want to socialize?
You're quoting me, then misinterpreting, and outright lying, about what I said in those quotes. Then you dismiss me as being a socialist, which I'm not. So yeah, I call that a personal attack.
One last thing on this subject before I cut off this no longer useful discussion with you. Fascism always arises when as a rejection of democracy by the right based on fears that the democracy is allowing a movement too far to the left. You don't just wake up one day and have a fascist government l, it evolves over time. This constant fear you have of socialism, and trying to paint every liberal as a communist is just that type of thing.
First, I'm hardly a socialist. Second, no one likes being called a nazi, no one in their right mind anyway. Third, I'm pretty sure I'm not a nazi given that they made my mother an orphan when her parents were killed in Auschwitz.
I think you’re a socialist. Using a bloated $600 trillion defense budget to prop up an entire population of contractors, engineers, etc.... using ideological labels to stoke fear so that the entire industry is so big we can’t allow it to fail or even be scaled back without a massive blow to our economy. Also creating huge law enforcement bureaucracies with the ability to thwart personal freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution done by an invisible government and limited classified oversight under the guise of being for the people.
Your current elected President is attempting to deteriorate the ability of the press to accurately inform the people, creating a public dichotomy where one either fully supports the above military apparatus without question or is against the nation, and uses federal policy to create the dependency of farmers and blue collar workers on the actions of the executive branch. A system in which the power wielded from the Oval Office equates to a fascist form of top-down control under the cloak of patriotism.
For someone to lie, you have have a fact that proven. I am not lying by interpreting what you are posting on a message board. You are consistent about defending socialism and you will not distance yourself from socialism, that's on you, 100%!
I am 100% a conservative who believes in individual rights. I do not believe in socialized healthcare, socialized education or socialized income distribution. I do not believe in neo-nazi's, racism or bigotry of any kind.
I do believe in the rights of everyone, regardless of age, gender, sexual orientation, or race. I believe the gov. should protect the US and its borders and defend the country against aggressors. I do believe the gov. should have a limited role in the economy and not force it's will to protect corporations from going bankrupt (too big to fail, auto bailouts).
It's not hard to say what you stand for and against! It's liberating to set yourself free!
Except all the post where I rant against a lot of that. I guess you skipped over the post where I rant against the Clintons and Bushes. You also skipped over the post where I rant against corrupt DOJ officials and intelligence agencies. Get a grip missy I definitely am not a fan of big government.
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Poor Keyster.....Doesn't remember the adage " Keep your friends close, Keep your enemies closer"
Neither is Coop, guess you missed all the times he’s railed about leftwing Democratic big government spending? Get a grip missy....you’re the loudmouth ***** walking around calling everyone names Sassy Mcshitdontstink. I’m just saying, all that noise can be thrown right back at cha
Started with FOX, and there is still solid press out there, even in the US - despite what your beacon of integrity tells you to think - spoonfed
Maybe you take this message board thing a little too serious. *****. Go rub your wife's feet. She's been working all day to put a roof over your lazy ***.