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Ohio State’s Most Absurd Self-Reported NCAA Violations from the Past Two Years, Ranked

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...caa-violations-from-the-past-two-years-ranked

Ryan Day had reason to feel excited about Ohio State's 17-player 2019 class, which was ranked No. 14 overall with the third-highest average player rating in the country, on National Signing Day.

But when he and his staff wanted to shift their focus to the 2020 class, they had to wait a couple of weeks to get up to full speed. Due to the NCAA's additional punishment for a self-reported NCAA violation stemming from seven impermissible phone calls made between March 2017 and June 2018, nobody on Ohio State’s staff could talk to any prospects on the phone between Feb. 6 and 18.

That was one of the 22 NCAA violations Ohio State's football and men's basketball programs self-reported between May 1, 2017 and May 22, 2019. The athletic department reported 16 football violations and six men's basketball violations during the two-year period.

The violations, which spanned from serious to absurd, were obtained by Eleven Warriors through several public records requests. The most recent request was fulfilled by the university on Monday.

The most noteworthy violations in the past two years included the following:

  • The football team went over its scholarship limit in the spring of 2017 due to the compliance department telling the football program it could have three players split two scholarships. As a result, the program had a one-scholarship reduction at the “next available opportunity.”
  • The football team agreed to no longer recruit five-star Micah Parsons after he took pictures on the College GameDay set and met with the analysts.
  • The Agonis Club restructured its organization to meet Ohio State's booster policies.
  • Due to the NCAA violations that stemmed from seven impermissible phone calls, Urban Meyer was barred from making recruiting calls from Dec. 20 to 26. Of course, by then, he had already announced his retirement and was no longer leading Ohio State's recruiting efforts.

Men's basketball
Impermissible Tryout – Reported on Nov. 26, 2018

An Ohio State basketball player worked out with an outside trainer at an off-campus site and only paid $25 instead of the typical $50 fee. Another player worked out with the outside trainer three weeks later at the program's facility, and he was not charged for his session. Prior to that workout, an Ohio State assistant coach walked into the gym “to say hello” and left after less than five minutes. A video staff member filmed the workout.

As part of Ohio State's self-imposed punishment, both players were deemed ineligible until they paid the trainer in full for their workouts. The trainer, who had posted about the workouts on social media, took down the posts and was banned from using the program's facilities to train anybody but former players.

The NCAA tacked on an additional penalty, decreasing the “countable athletically related activities” by 30 minutes for both the player who worked out on campus and the assistant coach who greeted him.

Recruiting Inducement – Reported on May 11, 2018
A basketball recruit, while on an unofficial visit, had access to a suite at Ohio Stadium for “approximately five minutes” during a football game. His girlfriend's father had invited the prospect to the suite and, despite not having access, was allowed entry for a few minutes before leaving. The recruit had been in the suite with his girlfriend's father “on other occasions,” but none had happened while on a recruiting visit.

Due to the violation, Ohio State provided “in-person education” to the coaching staff about suite access. The NCAA, though, did not agree with the punishment, adding that the prospect was deemed ineligible “until the value of the impermissible benefit is repaid.” The records do not show the monetary sum the recruit had to pay.

Impermissible Booster Group – Reported on May 3, 2018
During an internal audit in the fall of 2017, Ohio State's compliance department discovered the basketball program had conducted an annual fundraising event with the Agonis Club, a local organization.

The profits of the event were split between the Agonis Club and the basketball program. Tickets to in-season practices, a silent auction and meet-and-greets with coaches and players were among the prizes the public could win. During the review, the compliance staff members also found that the Agonis Club had donated money and endowed a scholarship several years prior. Ohio State included the Agonis Club's donations in financial data it submitted to the NCAA, but it did not have an independent accountant verify the Agonis Club's financial data, per the public records.

Due to the NCAA violation, the Agonis Club agreed to restructure its organization in order to “comply with Ohio State's booster policies.”
 

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The penalties for these absurd self reported violations should be " burning at the stake " for the AD and coaches. What has this world come to?
 

WVUALLEN

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I'm sure Ohio State will just be spanked on the bottom and left to cheat as usual. Let a school like Cleveland State do this and it's 5 years probation.
 
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Just minor stuff.

Nothing real serious. Ohio State is one of the better schools in knowing when to change directions.
I am not as high on Ryan Day as some people. I think ultimately Ryan Day was the weakness in Ohio St when he went with Haskins and ruined their running game.
The Bucknuts will blame Urban Meyer and they will claim Day is a better coach than Meyer.



Ohio St has a higher percentage of just bad ****** trashy fans than most schools have.
These are the ones that give them a bad name.
The ones who still think Zach Smith was unjustly fired and still consider him a member of their football program.
 

WVUALLEN

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Your an idiot. There are some major stuff there. It was Urban Myer. Only schools like Ohio State get by with this. A Texas State or Cleveland State would get hammered.
 

WVUALLEN

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I guess Texas likes cheating as well. So it's good to brush things off instead of following written rules put there for a reason. There should be consequences or get rid of all rules. Kind of like this board is lax in monitoring you and your multiple profiles.

"The violations, which spanned from serious to absurd.."
 

WVUALLEN

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So you agree it's ok to cheat.

Minor or major it's a rule. Follow them. If it's not important then get rid of them and let everyone do it!

Not all of them were minor.
 
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You get things mixed up in your head.

Ohio St getting caught up in this isn't going to hurt them at all.

No one is letting them off the hook. These are all minor violations
Never did I condone what they did
Just saying it isn't anything to drag them in the mud over
 

WVUALLEN

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Then why were some called serious? Interesting.

 
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Only thing that was done that could remotely be considered in any way major was the manipulation of the scholarships.

But truthfully it isn't anything that will hurt Ohio St.

You are using a BB Gun...

Waste your time and have fun.
 
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No..

It bothered you because you want to **** on Ohio St but you don't have anything to do it with.

It is sad the lack of any rational thought in some people.
They want to smear **** all over the place but none of it sticks.

If you want to go after Ohio State you need something more than this.

Truthfully wish Ohio St didn't report this stuff because the NCAA would have been interested in what was going on.

But they give up small **** to get the NCAA from coming around to catch large stuff
 

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Ohio State’s Most Absurd Self-Reported NCAA Violations from the Past Two Years, Ranked

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...caa-violations-from-the-past-two-years-ranked

Ryan Day had reason to feel excited about Ohio State's 17-player 2019 class, which was ranked No. 14 overall with the third-highest average player rating in the country, on National Signing Day.

But when he and his staff wanted to shift their focus to the 2020 class, they had to wait a couple of weeks to get up to full speed. Due to the NCAA's additional punishment for a self-reported NCAA violation stemming from seven impermissible phone calls made between March 2017 and June 2018, nobody on Ohio State’s staff could talk to any prospects on the phone between Feb. 6 and 18.

That was one of the 22 NCAA violations Ohio State's football and men's basketball programs self-reported between May 1, 2017 and May 22, 2019. The athletic department reported 16 football violations and six men's basketball violations during the two-year period.

The violations, which spanned from serious to absurd, were obtained by Eleven Warriors through several public records requests. The most recent request was fulfilled by the university on Monday.

The most noteworthy violations in the past two years included the following:




    • The football team went over its scholarship limit in the spring of 2017 due to the compliance department telling the football program it could have three players split two scholarships. As a result, the program had a one-scholarship reduction at the “next available opportunity.”
    • The Agonis Club restructured its organization to meet Ohio State's booster policies.
    • Due to the NCAA violations that stemmed from seven impermissible phone calls, Urban Meyer was barred from making recruiting calls from Dec. 20 to 26. Of course, by then, he had already announced his retirement and was no longer leading Ohio State's recruiting efforts.
Men's basketball
Impermissible Tryout – Reported on Nov. 26, 2018

An Ohio State basketball player worked out with an outside trainer at an off-campus site and only paid $25 instead of the typical $50 fee. Another player worked out with the outside trainer three weeks later at the program's facility, and he was not charged for his session. Prior to that workout, an Ohio State assistant coach walked into the gym “to say hello” and left after less than five minutes. A video staff member filmed the workout.

As part of Ohio State's self-imposed punishment, both players were deemed ineligible until they paid the trainer in full for their workouts. The trainer, who had posted about the workouts on social media, took down the posts and was banned from using the program's facilities to train anybody but former players.

The NCAA tacked on an additional penalty, decreasing the “countable athletically related activities” by 30 minutes for both the player who worked out on campus and the assistant coach who greeted him.

Recruiting Inducement – Reported on May 11, 2018
A basketball recruit, while on an unofficial visit, had access to a suite at Ohio Stadium for “approximately five minutes” during a football game. His girlfriend's father had invited the prospect to the suite and, despite not having access, was allowed entry for a few minutes before leaving. The recruit had been in the suite with his girlfriend's father “on other occasions,” but none had happened while on a recruiting visit.

Due to the violation, Ohio State provided “in-person education” to the coaching staff about suite access. The NCAA, though, did not agree with the punishment, adding that the prospect was deemed ineligible “until the value of the impermissible benefit is repaid.” The records do not show the monetary sum the recruit had to pay.

Impermissible Booster Group – Reported on May 3, 2018
During an internal audit in the fall of 2017, Ohio State's compliance department discovered the basketball program had conducted an annual fundraising event with the Agonis Club, a local organization.

The profits of the event were split between the Agonis Club and the basketball program. Tickets to in-season practices, a silent auction and meet-and-greets with coaches and players were among the prizes the public could win. During the review, the compliance staff members also found that the Agonis Club had donated money and endowed a scholarship several years prior. Ohio State included the Agonis Club's donations in financial data it submitted to the NCAA, but it did not have an independent accountant verify the Agonis Club's financial data, per the public records.

Due to the NCAA violation, the Agonis Club agreed to restructure its organization in order to “comply with Ohio State's booster policies.”



You need to get a life sir
 

5-Technique

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Allen is right...smaller schools would get hammered for these violations but Ohio State is a blueblood so it actually would be more newsworthy to me if something did happen because of this. The North Carolina thing still pisses me off but I know why they were given a love tap.
 
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Majority of big time scandals lately involved major football programs
Like USC and Ohio State

Ohio State did receive a bowl ban in 2012 and lost scholarships.


The NCAA couldn't do a thing to N Carolina because it was not an NCAA issue.

NCAA does not govern academic matters.
Since the classes were supposedly opened to everyone the NCAA had no jurisdiction.

UNC did have their accreditation put on probation for one year and truthfully this is more hurtful than anything the NCAA could have done.
 

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Majority of big time scandals lately involved major football programs
Like USC and Ohio State

Ohio State did receive a bowl ban in 2012 and lost scholarships.


The NCAA couldn't do a thing to N Carolina because it was not an NCAA issue.

NCAA does not govern academic matters.
Since the classes were supposedly opened to everyone the NCAA had no jurisdiction.

UNC did have their accreditation put on probation for one year and truthfully this is more hurtful than anything the NCAA could have done.

NCAA should be more interested in eligibility issues and academic fraud committed by tutors for their athletes. I hear you but all they did was offer a blueprint of how to cheat.
 
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NCAA should be more interested in eligibility issues and academic fraud committed by tutors for their athletes. I hear you but all they did was offer a blueprint of how to cheat.

They did with Missouri.

Missouri really screwed up.
The NCAA cares less about paying for players than you taking away the ability for student athletes to get an education.

What UNC did was different but like I said they got off because they threw the entire university under the bus
For a school who looks down on Alabama and others like them I think it is entertaining.
 

Pitt4Life34

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Allen is right...smaller schools would get hammered for these violations but Ohio State is a blueblood so it actually would be more newsworthy to me if something did happen because of this. The North Carolina thing still pisses me off but I know why they were given a love tap.


Whiny little bitches jealous of tOSU
Would be funny laughing at old frustrated never beens if it wasn’t so sad.
 

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08/06/2013 01:39 pm ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
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Why Does the NCAA Exist?

The NCAA was founded in 1906 to protect young people from the dangerous and exploitative athletics practices of the time, so states the National Collegiate Athletic Association.

The NCAA often likes to harp on tradition and the sanctity of the term student-athlete, but it fails to recognize its true roots.

Even before the NCAA became arguably one of the most controversial tax exempt organizations in existence the association accrued $814 million in revenue in 2011, people were able to see through the absurdity of insisting that athletes not be able earn their own money as they see fit.

The question arises, how did the NCAA go from being an agreement to promote safety standards so as to prevent death on the playing field, to a multi-million dollar enterprise that seems most concerned with ensuring that student-athletes do not receive any compensation pardon me, impermissible benefits for their in-demand talents?

Why does an organization formed when the idea of paying money to attend a sporting event was in its infancy still operate under the same now completely out-of-context model?

In short, why does the NCAA still exist?
 

WVUALLEN

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A Brief History of the National Collegiate Athletic Association's Role in Regulating Intercollegiate Athletics.

https://scholarship.law.marquette.e.../&httpsredir=1&article=1393&context=sportslaw

Over the past 150 years, the desire to win at virtually any cost, combined with the increases in public interest in intercollegiate athletics, in a consumer sense, have led inexorably to a highly commercialized world of intercollegiate athletics.'0 These factors have created new incentives for universities and conferences to find new ways to obtain an advantage over their competitors.

This desire to gain an unfair competitive advantage has necessarily led to an expansion in rules and regulations. This proliferation of rules and the development of increasingly sophisticated regulatory systems necessary to enforce those rules, together with the importance that attaches to enforcement decisions, both economically and in terms of an institution's reputation (and derivatively its chief executive officer's career), places great strain on the capacity of the NCAA to govern intercollegiate athletics.

This strain is unlikely to dissipate in the future because the pressures that have created the strain do not appear to be susceptible, in a practical sense, to amelioration. Indeed, the one certainty in the future of the NCAA is the likelihood that big time intercollegiate athletics will be engaged in the same point counterpoint that has characterized its history; increased commercialization and public pressure leading to more sophisticated rules and regulatory systems.As rules and regulatory systems continue along the road of increased sophistication, the NCAA will more closely resemble its industry counterparts.

It will develop an enforcement system that is more legalistic in its nature, as regulatory proliferation leads to increasing demands for fairness. In such a milieu, chief executive officers will have to take their responsibilities for intercollegiate athletics even more seriously.10 9 It can be hoped, as well, that their involvement, and the increased involvement on the part of faculty and staff, through the certification process and otherwise, will lead to a more responsible system in terms of the maintenance of academic values. If the NCAA and those who lead at the institutional and conference levels are unable to maintain academic values in the face of economics and related pressures, the government may be less than a proverbial step away.
 

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Problem with you pedogreg is.........while you're busy trolling us, moving our puppet strings, calling us homers, owning us, or whatever it is that you do here to entertain yourself 24.7, you don't realize the WHOLE board is laughing at you.

So just respond already with something stupid to show the board how obsessed you are with me.
 

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Didn’t you get humiliated and trolled by me and Herd enough. 8 pages worth lol. That was a Hall of Fame performance I put on goofball. Swing n miss geek haha. Own you and always will.
Hall of Fame thread, if you ask me. Not anybody can deliver an 8 pager during the dog days of summer. I have to believe even you could have never foreseen the damage we laid down on TVZ and 4ever, despite knowing how big of certified losers each one of them is.
 

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Didn’t you get humiliated and trolled by me and Herd enough. 8 pages worth lol. That was a Hall of Fame performance I put on goofball. Swing n miss geek haha. Own you and always will.

Swing and a miss?

What is this the 1970's. [roll]

You aren't even a good troll as you go on repetitive.
Nothing clever or truthful about you
 

WVUFanForever

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Hall of Fame thread, if you ask me. Not anybody can deliver an 8 pager during the dog days of summer. I have to believe even you could have never foreseen the damage we laid down on TVZ and 4ever, despite knowing how big of certified losers each one of them is.
Smiles....still talking about me...I'm like a drug you can't stop cuck.

I appreciate all the love!
 

Pitt4Life34

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Hall of Fame thread, if you ask me. Not anybody can deliver an 8 pager during the dog days of summer. I have to believe even you could have never foreseen the damage we laid down on TVZ and 4ever, despite knowing how big of certified losers each one of them is.


Those two morons still don’t understand the beatdown we put on them.
 

Pitt4Life34

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Problem with you pedogreg is.........while you're busy trolling us, moving our puppet strings, calling us homers, owning us, or whatever it is that you do here to entertain yourself 24.7, you don't realize the WHOLE board is laughing at you.

So just respond already with something stupid to show the board how obsessed you are with me.


You don’t represent the whole board goofball