The American's Creed

[WVUCOOPER]

As a civilian, you’re also allowed to own fully automatic weapon, explosives, heavy machine guns, etc. it requires a Class III weapons license. In obtaining one, you are required to consent to anytime/anywhere inspection by the ATF, effectively removing your 4th amendment protections.

Kinda the point many "anti gun nuts" make.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Check-mate

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Kinda the point many "anti gun nuts" make.

And yet, we have plenty of gun deaths related to fully automatic weapons by people who don’t possess them. Would lead me to believe that continued restriction doesn’t work.

 

[~IRWT~]

As a civilian, you’re also allowed to own fully automatic weapon, explosives, heavy machine guns, etc. it requires a Class III weapons license. In obtaining one, you are required to consent to anytime/anywhere inspection by the ATF, effectively removing your 4th amendment protections.

Your side needs to be more educated on these subjects before trying to engage into what you think is a reasonable and common sense solution oriented discussion.

If by class 3 (no such thing) you are referring to a FFL I get that. That is a stringent process with oversight and safe guards in place. As you said, the ATF could show up at your door. Wholly different than wide spread access of semi-autos by any numb nuts attending a gun show. I'm personally not invested in this particular issue because its not a winnable one. Would I prefer an America where military style weapons werent a way of life? Sure. Will it ever happen? No.

What are your thoughts on smart locks? Anything unAmerican there? If I unlock my phone with my fingerprint why not unlock your gun the same way? We'd put a big dent into the problem with that one adjustment alone.

 

[Mntneer]

If by class 3 (no such thing) you are referring to a FFL I get that. That is a stringent process with oversight and safe guards in place. As you said, the ATF could show up at your door. Wholly different than wide spread access of semi-autos by any numb nuts attending a gun show. I'm personally not invested in this particular issue because its not a winnable one. Would I prefer an America where military style weapons werent a way of life? Sure. Will it ever happen? No.

What are your thoughts on smart locks? Anything unAmerican there? If I unlock my phone with my fingerprint why not unlock your gun the same way? We'd put a big dent into the problem with that one adjustment alone.

Would I prefer an American where idiots weren't allowed to utilize social media, or even vote, without first being able to prove that they're not mentally deficient or a complete moron? Sure. Will it ever happen? It better not.

I'm personally invested in this particular issue because I'm a staunch proponent of the Bill of Rights and see the inherent logic and basis for their very existence, and I don't ever want to see a country where they essentially become irrelevant.

You can't compare a smart lock with a "smart gun".

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

If by class 3 (no such thing) you are referring to a FFL I get that. That is a stringent process with oversight and safe guards in place. As you said, the ATF could show up at your door. Wholly different than wide spread access of semi-autos by any numb nuts attending a gun show. I'm personally not invested in this particular issue because its not a winnable one. Would I prefer an America where military style weapons werent a way of life? Sure. Will it ever happen? No.

What are your thoughts on smart locks? Anything unAmerican there? If I unlock my phone with my fingerprint why not unlock your gun the same way? We'd put a big dent into the problem with that one adjustment alone.

An FFL is the license for purchase of Class 3 firearms, and anyone in the industry will refer to it as a Class 3. Good job with your googlefu

 

[~IRWT~]

Would I prefer an American where idiots weren't allowed to utilize social media, or even vote, without first being able to prove that they're not mentally deficient or a complete moron? Sure. Will it ever happen? It better not.

I'm personally invested in this particular issue because I'm a staunch proponent of the Bill of Rights and see the inherent logic and basis for their very existence, and I don't ever want to see a country where they essentially become irrelevant.

You can't compare a smart lock with a "smart gun".

Debatable that aspects 1700s understanding of future technology 250 later is not subject to honest review but fair enough. I get it. Fire power has been successfully turned into a matter of patriotism. I acknowledge that; even though most American’s would like to see more regulation there it’s a losing issue. D’s should not run on it.

 

[~IRWT~]

An FFL is the license for purchase of Class 3 firearms, and anyone in the industry will refer to it as a Class 3. Good job with your googlefu

Yeah. My family has been military officers since the Civil War. My Dad was shot in Vietnam. Don’t need google. Amazing to think you all think you own the conversation when it comes to Patriotism.

 

[Gunny46]

 

[Gunny46]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuelans-regret-gun-prohibition-we-could-have-defended-ourselves
Venezuelans regret gun ban, 'a declaration of war against an unarmed population.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Yeah. My family has been military officers since the Civil War. My Dad was shot in Vietnam. Don’t need google. Amazing to think you all think you own the conversation when it comes to Patriotism.

It’s pretty simple, when you’re defending against an infringement on a Constitutionally protected freedom, you own the Patriotism angle of the conversation. Not hard to grasp really.

 

[Mntneer]

Yeah. My family has been military officers since the Civil War. My Dad was shot in Vietnam. Don’t need google. Amazing to think you all think you own the conversation when it comes to Patriotism.

I don't call it Patriotism. I call it logic and common sense.

 

[~IRWT~]

It’s pretty simple, when you’re defending against an infringement on a Constitutionally protected freedom, you own the Patriotism angle of the conversation. Not hard to grasp really.

Then why the hell do we have the Supreme Court if the constitution doesn’t need our best interpretation? Right to bear arms obviously has been found to have limitations. Reasonable argument is where not if.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Then why the hell do we have the Supreme Court if the constitution doesn’t need our best interpretation? Right to bear arms obviously has been found to have limitations. Reasonable argument is where not if.

Give it time, those limitations will continue to be chipped away at as they are indeed unconstitutional.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Give it time, those limitations will continue to be chipped away at as they are indeed unconstitutional.

Not that I agree or disagree, but the country did have an assault weapons ban. Wasn't it called "The Brady Bill?" If the Dems take control of the WH and the Senate, you can bet some form of legislation will be passed to limit assault weapons, magazine capacity, etc.It may be challenged in the Supreme Court, which is fine, which is our Constitutionally established process, but the law will be passed.

 

[Gunny46]

Not that I agree or disagree, but the country did have an assault weapons ban. Wasn't it called "The Brady Bill?" If the Dems take control of the WH and the Senate, you can bet some form of legislation will be passed to limit assault weapons, magazine capacity, etc.It may be challenged in the Supreme Court, which is fine, which is our Constitutionally established process, but the law will be passed.

And you wonder why your tribe lost the last Presidential Election. This is why you lose Congress and Republicans maintain the Senate and Presidency. I just ordered my "NEW" Sherman Tank. You better get one before supplies run out.

 

[~IRWT~]

Not that I agree or disagree, but the country did have an assault weapons ban. Wasn't it called "The Brady Bill?" If the Dems take control of the WH and the Senate, you can bet some form of legislation will be passed to limit assault weapons, magazine capacity, etc.It may be challenged in the Supreme Court, which is fine, which is our Constitutionally established process, but the law will be passed.

Dems have no chance at the Senate so even if Trump does lose we’ll be in another cycle of gridlock and finger pointing (as always). Really wish a new party would form between like minded republicans,dems, and independents.

 

[Mntneer]

Dems have no chance at the Senate so even if Trump does lose we’ll be in another cycle of gridlock and finger pointing (as always). Really wish a new party would form between like minded republicans,dems, and independents.

There is a party of like minded Reps, Dems and Indies.

 

[Gunny46]

There is a party of like minded Reps, Dems and Indies.

He meant one that is more Socialist in nature. :wink:

 

[~IRWT~]

There is a party of like minded Reps, Dems and Indies.

Right but they are trapped by their party & primaries for any real compromise. Hence, wish there was a viable third choice party closer to the middle.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not that I agree or disagree, but the country did have an assault weapons ban. Wasn't it called "The Brady Bill?" If the Dems take control of the WH and the Senate, you can bet some form of legislation will be passed to limit assault weapons, magazine capacity, etc.It may be challenged in the Supreme Court, which is fine, which is our Constitutionally established process, but the law will be passed.

We did, and after 10 years it was allowed to expire in 04 because it didn’t impact anything.

I agree that Dems will continue to die on that hill.

 

[Mntneer]

Right but they are trapped by their party & primaries for any real compromise. Hence, wish there was a viable third choice party closer to the middle.

Libertarian is as close to the middle as you can get.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Libertarian is as close to the middle as you can get.

It’s amazing to me how far left this country has sprinted.

 

[Brushy Bill]

It’s amazing to me how far left this country has sprinted.

Maybe we shouldn't have let them have free reign is our public schools for 50 years.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Maybe we shouldn't have let them have free reign is our public schools for 50 years.

I send my kids to private school. I don’t really care what they do in the halls of public school. My kids will be dripping with the privilege their parents and their grandparents and their immigrant great grand parents earned through hard work and refusing the dole.

 

[Brushy Bill]

I don’t really care what they do in the halls of public school.

Well, this makes you part of the problem actually.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Libertarian is as close to the middle as you can get.

Dude, you are nowhere near the middle. LMAO!

 

[~IRWT~]

Give it time, those limitations will continue to be chipped away at as they are indeed unconstitutional.

Looks like we had this conversation a couple weeks yet here we are again. Again, 2A was written at a time of muskets, flint lock pistols, no police stations and no standing army. Do we really need 100 round barrels and semi automatic given things have changed just a bit since the 1700s? Like, we arent fighting the Brits and fending off Indians at this point. I mean the owners of these weapons seem to be only capable of firing into unarmed crowds and are the first to surrender arms when actually confronted with any degree of equivalent force. So what's the point?

 

[Brushy Bill]

Like, we arent fighting the Brits and fending off Indians at this point.

True, but then again Hillary Clinton was almost President.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I mean the owners of these weapons seem to be only capable of firing into unarmed crowds and are the first to surrender arms when actually confronted with any degree of equivalent force.

So, of the millions of owners of semi-automatic assault weapons, in your mind, we’re all just sitting around waiting to fire off into a crowd? That’s the argument you’re going to go with?

You want to take a mulligan?

 

[Gunny46]

Saw a sign today that said we could use a second amendment.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/prepar...rd-core-tactics-challenge-beijing-11565038264

‘Prepared to Die’: Hong Kong Protesters Embrace Hard-Core Tactics, Challenge Beijing

 

[TarHeelEer]

Looks like we had this conversation a couple weeks yet here we are again. Again, 2A was written at a time of muskets, flint lock pistols, no police stations and no standing army. Do we really need 100 round barrels and semi automatic given things have changed just a bit since the 1700s? Like, we arent fighting the Brits and fending off Indians at this point. I mean the owners of these weapons seem to be only capable of firing into unarmed crowds and are the first to surrender arms when actually confronted with any degree of equivalent force. So what's the point?