Just wondering why...

[doneagain]

Not intended to bash Dana - hope he wins them all at Houston - but why were we never seemingly able to have more than 1 or 2 QBs most years under the QB Whisperer, yet we have 5 right off the bat with Brown? Dana clearly was able to have success with the QBs he had, but there was never a time where there was depth. He put two QBs in the NFL and Skylar signed as an FA and was a 10-game winner. Had Trickett stayed healthy, he would have probably had a shot at the NFL, even if it was as an FA. But we couldn’t manage any depth. And high school QB recruiting never seemed to pan out, though Lowe could still prove to be the guy eventually.

Now time will tell if any of the five we have right now ever amount to anything, but we are better set on paper from a potential depth chart perspective than at anytime I can think of under Dana.

Just puzzles me.

 

[Soaring Eagle 74]

Not intended to bash Dana - hope he wins them all at Houston - but why were we never seemingly able to have more than 1 or 2 QBs most years under the QB Whisperer, yet we have 5 right off the bat with Brown? Dana clearly was able to have success with the QBs he had, but there was never a time where there was depth. He put two QBs in the NFL and Skylar signed as an FA and was a 10-game winner. Had Trickett stayed healthy, he would have probably had a shot at the NFL, even if it was as an FA. But we couldn’t manage any depth. And high school QB recruiting never seemed to pan out, though Lowe could still prove to be the guy eventually.

Now time will tell if any of the five we have right now ever amount to anything, but we are better set on paper from a potential depth chart perspective than at anytime I can think of under Dana.

Just puzzles me.

I don’t have any good answers for you, but it’s a great question.

 

[oceantide83]

Because Dana was lazy and didn't want to have to take the time to develop anyone but a starter.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Don't think WV ever had bad QB play with Dana.

West Virginia under Dana Holgersen felt like he had to produce.
He couldn't produce with inexperience QBs so he had to make sure that they had a QB at all times.
Reason for the transfers.

Hopefully Neal Brown will be able to have the ability to develop a QB but more importantly be given the time.

Bad to average QB play in the Big 12 makes a huge difference.
Might no longer have Art Briles, Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgersen in the conference but you still have Lincoln Riley and Mike Gundy.

 

[doneagain]

Don't think WV ever had bad QB play with Dana.

West Virginia under Dana Holgersen felt like he had to produce.
He couldn't produce with inexperience QBs so he had to make sure that they had a QB at all times.
Reason for the transfers.

Hopefully Neal Brown will be able to have the ability to develop a QB but more importantly be given the time.

Bad to average QB play in the Big 12 makes a huge difference.
Might no longer have Art Briles, Kliff Kingsbury and Dana Holgersen in the conference but you still have Lincoln Riley and Mike Gundy.

Your response, though appreciated, does not stay on point with the question I asked.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Your response, though appreciated, does not stay on point with the question I asked.

The question in itself is flawed because 3 of those QBs were from Dana.
Truthfully Neal Brown only has 1-2 QBs as well this year. Same as Dana.

Dana had Grier and Allison
Neal Brown has Kendall and Allison.
Doege isn't eligible and the other two won't even be Practice Squad QBs in 2019.

Neal Brown so far is doing what Dana did.

Wasn't like Neal Brown looked at Lowe and said you are my guy.
Greene could prove different in 2020 but he hasn't signed a LOI yet so he isn't with the program.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

We had good qbs under Dana...keep in mind, he's a WR coach more than QB.

Trick was a solid QB...if his head doesnt get spiked against TCU we win 9-11 games that year.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Who's Dana?

 

[doneagain]

The question in itself is flawed because 3 of those QBs were from Dana.
Truthfully Neal Brown only has 1-2 QBs as well this year. Same as Dana.

Dana had Grier and Allison
Neal Brown has Kendall and Allison.
Doege isn't eligible and the other two won't even be Practice Squad QBs in 2019.

Neal Brown so far is doing what Dana did.

Wasn't like Neal Brown looked at Lowe and said you are my guy.
Greene could prove different in 2020 but he hasn't signed a LOI yet so he isn't with the program.

Oh my gosh you are so defensive. The question is flawed? Seriously? The question? So we can never ask a question unless we put qualifiers on them, is that what you are saying? Because it sounds like that is what you were saying. Your desire to come across as the everlasting know-it-all on every topic just blows my mind. Even when you clearly were not on topic with my question and it was pointed out to you, you can’t handle not being the ultimate say so on any and every topic. It is funny that you didn’t have a problem with the question initially until I pointed out your failure to actually even approach answering in topic.

Whatever dude. Happy Fourth of July.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Oh my gosh you are so defensive. The question is flawed? Seriously? The question? So we can never ask a question unless we put qualifiers on them, is that what you are saying? Because it sounds like that is what you were saying. Your desire to come across as the everlasting know-it-all on every topic just blows my mind. Even when you clearly were not on topic with my question and it was pointed out to you, you can’t handle not being the ultimate say so on any and every topic. It is funny that you didn’t have a problem with the question initially until I pointed out your failure to actually even approach answering in topic.

Whatever dude. Happy Fourth of July.

Obviously Neal Brown believed the QB room wasn't where it should be as he brought in two transfers.

But what you have this year isn't anywhere close to last year
Grier-Allison-Lowe
You think both Kendall or Doege are Will
Grier

Unless you believe the new coaches have made Allison and Lowe much better.

Don't get upset when someone asks relevant questions to your claims.

No...
The QB room isn't any better than it was with Dana.
It could be in the future but everyone has hope on the future.

You are setting yourself up for failure with Neal Brown like you did with Dana Holgersen.

Holgersen was never the QB whisperer like what was said earlier.
He was a WR coach. His expertise is getting players in space.
This is why he is hard on QBs.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Holgersen was never the QB whisperer like what was said earlier.
He was a WR coach. His expertise is getting players in space.
This is why he is hard on QBs.

Coaching Jobs
1993–1995 Valdosta State - QB/WR/ST
1996–1998 Mississippi College - QB/WR/ST
1999 Wingate - QB/WR
2000–2004 Texas Tech - IWR
2005–2006 Texas Tech - co-OC/IWR
2007 Texas Tech - OC/IWR
2008–2009 Houston - OC/QB
2010 Oklahoma State - OC/QB

Looks like he was an OC / QB coach at Houston and Oklahoma State which is where sports media claimed him to be a QB whisperer.

He was also listed as QB/WR coach at his first 3 schools.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

When he was at Houston he had Kliff Kingsbury on his staff to work with QBs.
Been said numerous times by all people involved that Kingsbury was responsible for Case Keenum.
Oklahoma State has had good to great QB play since Mike Gundy returned back to Stillwater.

Even with all that....
WV had above average QB play with Dana.

 

[WVUALLEN]

In August 2008,Kingsbury joined the University of Houston football staff in the position of quality control. Kingsbury was drawn to Houston through his ties with Dana Holgorsen who had been the offensive coordinator at Texas Tech prior to Houston. Kingsbury received recognition for the performance of the Houston offense in 2009 with Case Keenum at the helm. Keenum finished his Houston career with multiple NCAA Division I passing records.

With Holgorsen departing to become the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State University, Kingsbury was promoted to the position of co-offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Cougars serving alongside former UH receiver Jason Phillips. Kingsbury quickly gained Coach Kevin Summlin's trust and began calling all the offensive plays and was recognized as the 2011 Offensive Coordinator of the year after Houston led college football, averaging 50 points and nearly 600 yards of offense per game.

Holgorsen had already left 2009 before Kingsbury 2009 became QB/OC and taught Case Keenum.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

You get into these arguments and they don't make any sense.

Majority of OC's are QB coaches.
Very few schools have a coach just for QBs

What most do is bring someone in on their support staff.
Like Texas has with Brandon Harris but Tim Beck is a QB coach that became OC.

If Larry Fedora or David Beaty become OC in 2020 Texas will look to improve their support staff unless Harris is the guy.
Both Fedora and Beaty are WR coaches as well who became OC.
A lot of them are passing game coordinators.


Dana hired KK as soon as he went to Houston.
Kingsbury was the man responsible for Keenum.
Even the article says so.

I even said WV should have went after KK when Jake Spavital left for the school formally known as SWT.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Big wheel keep on turning
Proud Mary keep on burning
And we're rolling, rolling
Rolling on the river

TVZ the Back Spin Queen

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Maybe in your mind.

Are you that damaged.
Back to QBs
Even though Greene didn't show out at the Elite camp he was still pretty solid.
Plus for the most part the MVP of the Elite 11 haven't always went on to be great.

Should be the first QB that WV starts that they recruited out of High School.
Could be as early as 2020.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The only damage is you pretending. If your a Texas fan go home. Let the real WVU fans worry about a QB.

 

[AllEers]

Not intended to bash Dana - hope he wins them all at Houston - but why were we never seemingly able to have more than 1 or 2 QBs most years under the QB Whisperer, yet we have 5 right off the bat with Brown? Dana clearly was able to have success with the QBs he had, but there was never a time where there was depth. He put two QBs in the NFL and Skylar signed as an FA and was a 10-game winner. Had Trickett stayed healthy, he would have probably had a shot at the NFL, even if it was as an FA. But we couldn’t manage any depth. And high school QB recruiting never seemed to pan out, though Lowe could still prove to be the guy eventually.

Now time will tell if any of the five we have right now ever amount to anything, but we are better set on paper from a potential depth chart perspective than at anytime I can think of under Dana.

Just puzzles me.

We're not going to have five in the room once the QBs figure out what the depth chart is going into the JMU game. At least one and maybe two will hit the portal. That's just how it works these days.

The biggest positive I see at the position is that the coaches got Greene's commitment. If he sticks that will be significant progress.