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WVpride304

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An idiot always wants to make things worse. The real issue is getting the best 8 in Charleston every year. That’s rediculous that 11-15 Lewis County and 11-15 Grafton get in AA 7-8 seeds because of fluke upsets. Teams that were 20-5 should get in or play a double elimination if they were that good in regular season. Logan High was one of top 3 AA teams all year and even beat AAA powers Beckley Woodrow Wilson and defending AAA George Washington in regular season and were 22-3 and don’t get in cause they had to play #1 Chapmanville in sectional and blew regional in fluke upset vs Poca. They need to keep the current A, AA, AAA and get the best 8 in each class down to Charleston every year. Give the fans what they want.
 
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WVpride304 said:
An idiot always wants to make things worse. The real issue is getting the best 8 in Charleston every year. That’s rediculous that 11-15 Lewis County and 11-15 Grafton get in AA 7-8 seeds because of fluke upsets. Teams that were 20-5 should get in or play a double elimination if they were that good in regular season. Logan High was one of top 3 AA teams all year and even beat AAA powers Beckley Woodrow Wilson and defending AAA George Washington in regular season and were 22-3 and don’t get in cause they had to play #1 Chapmanville in sectional and blew regional in fluke upset vs Poca. They need to keep the current A, AA, AAA and get the best 8 in each class down to Charleston every year. Give the fans what they want.
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I would rather see them do what Kentucky does and have one tourney.
 
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You mean have the best from A, AA, AAA play each other and see who the best is. That would be cool if so. Plenty of years in WV where AA could beat AAA team. I think Chapmanville is best team in state and they are defending AA champs. Although undefeated Martinsburg is strong this year in AAA. Would be fun.
 
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WVpride304 said:
An idiot always wants to make things worse. The real issue is getting the best 8 in Charleston every year. That’s rediculous that 11-15 Lewis County and 11-15 Grafton get in AA 7-8 seeds because of fluke upsets. Teams that were 20-5 should get in or play a double elimination if they were that good in regular season. Logan High was one of top 3 AA teams all year and even beat AAA powers Beckley Woodrow Wilson and defending AAA George Washington in regular season and were 22-3 and don’t get in cause they had to play #1 Chapmanville in sectional and blew regional in fluke upset vs Poca. They need to keep the current A, AA, AAA and get the best 8 in each class down to Charleston every year. Give the fans what they want.
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Regular season has never mattered in WV prep sports other than football. I’m not sure why they’d just decide to change their minds on that all of the sudden.
 
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I like the old format except I want to see the top stars and top 8 for each class in Charleston each year. That’s rediculous that junior star guard David Early and Logan High are not in state tourney this year despite being 22-3 and ranked #3 in AA behind Chapmanville and Fairmont Senior all year. Their only loses we’re basically to the top team in state 3 times to Chapmanville.

A Friday semifinal in AA with WV stars like Logan’s David Early vs Fairmont Senior stars Jalen Bridges, Zyon Dobbs is what people want to see. Chapmanville has junior Obinna Killen too. All these guys are being offered or looked at by WVU. Dobbs is probably going to walk on at WVU but David Early, Jalen Bridges and Obinna Killen all have WVU offers and probably end up in Morgantown at WVU. They are WV stars.
 
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dangerousdaneerfan said:
I would rather see them do what Kentucky does and have one tourney.
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You are nuts! Small schools cannot compete and do have an unfair disadvantage when compared to the large schools. If you think that it's just about "skill" and "hard work", you are even more nuts that I first thought. Take a school of 1800 students, 900 boys to choose from. Then take a school of 400 students, 200 boys to choose from. What's the chances the larger school is gonna have more athletes to choose from?
 
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For all of you that don't understand the concept of a tournament, it's a TOURNAMENT. In W.Va. that means that it's seeded. Just because you have a star player doesn't mean you get an automatic invite to the finals. You have to win and move on. So if #8 beats #1, sorry, you lose, bye bye.
 
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muthed said:
For all of you that don't understand the concept of a tournament, it's a TOURNAMENT. In W.Va. that means that it's seeded. Just because you have a star player doesn't mean you get an automatic invite to the finals. You have to win and move on. So if #8 beats #1, sorry, you lose, bye bye.
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Please, since you explained this so easily, can you explain to everyone how it is "fair" for the private schools to participate in an "equal" playing field against the public schools? Specifically how students from an entire region can go to a private catholic school any time they want, just simply for "religious" reasons and a public school cannot get a transfer without going through the ringer to prove residence, reasons, etc.
 
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MountaineerWV said:
You are nuts! Small schools cannot compete and do have an unfair disadvantage when compared to the large schools. If you think that it's just about "skill" and "hard work", you are even more nuts that I first thought. Take a school of 1800 students, 900 boys to choose from. Then take a school of 400 students, 200 boys to choose from. What's the chances the larger school is gonna have more athletes to choose from?
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I am sure that will be news to Shelby Valley, KY who won the all class tourney and the small school tourney in the same season. That was as recent as 2014 I believe.
 
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dangerousdaneerfan said:
I am sure that will be news to Shelby Valley, KY who won the all class tourney and the small school tourney in the same season. That was as recent as 2014 I believe.
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Go back and look at the history of small schools that have won a state title. Compare that to the large schools. Plus, KY does it for baseball, softball, and basketball. But they class football.

EDIT: It was in 2010 they won it.
 
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After watching them call out the All Tournament team in AAA, I'm not sure the SSAC is qualified to make decisions bigger than which sock to put on which foot.
 
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The set up in North Carolina makes more sense to me. The state reviews and sets the class and regional conference every five years. The top three teams in the regular season automatically qualify for the sectional tournament. The number one school is the host. The conference tournament is on a rotation basis. The only way the number four or below bump out the number three team is to win the conference tournament. Then 2 plays 3 and the winner plays number 1 (@ the #1's gym).
 
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After watching them call out the All Tournament team in AAA, I'm not sure the SSAC is qualified to make decisions bigger than which sock to put on which foot.
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Agreed. How is Bre Wilson of PHS not on all-tourney team? That is a grave misjustice
 
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MountaineerWV said:
Please, since you explained this so easily, can you explain to everyone how it is "fair" for the private schools to participate in an "equal" playing field against the public schools? Specifically how students from an entire region can go to a private catholic school any time they want, just simply for "religious" reasons and a public school cannot get a transfer without going through the ringer to prove residence, reasons, etc.
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Well, it's not fair. So you have basically 2 options. Move them up a class. Or create a private school class.
 
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Michigan allows the private schools to participate in whatever division they have the gonads to play in. Most play well above their enrollment classification. Personally, if I were still playing, I would prefer to win a state title over Wheeling Central as opposed to beating the WV School for the Blind.
 
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MichiganHerd said:
Michigan allows the private schools to participate in whatever division they have the gonads to play in. Most play well above their enrollment classification. Personally, if I were still playing, I would prefer to win a state title over Wheeling Central as opposed to beating the WV School for the Blind.
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Along with beating Sistersville back in 84. I think Jeff Swisher and Joel Wilson just scored again.
 
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Seems one issue that's talk about is the fact that private schools can go out and recruit
out of a geographical area that restricts public high schools. Not sure what solution is for
that one. Thoughts?
 
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Yep. That once in a generation group at Webster sure does dispel the myth of a disproportionate advantages of the private schools. Those boys and the other three public schools that have won state titles over the past twenty years.
 
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Yep. That once in a generation group at Webster sure does dispel the myth of a disproportionate advantages of the private schools. Those boys and the other three public schools that have won state titles over the past twenty years.
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Yep, Ric Flair's great line was "to be the man, you MUST beat the man."
 
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The reason that the Private School does not work in A is because pupil size at say Wheeling Central is no the same as pupil size at Van. All public Schools have a district and they must take every student from that district (SSAC members are required to abide by this rule except it is waived for private schools). The private schools have districts as well as established by the SSAC. For example Wheeling Central's district is the same as Wheeling Park, St. Joe the same as Huntington and Charleston Catholic the same as Capital. So they all have AAA districts but they limit who they take to have artificially low numbers (not just for sports that is the way that private schools work). The solution is simple, which was proposed last year, all private schools play in the division that is the same as the school area designated by the SSAC. So WC, CC, and St Joe would pay as AAA. Yes they would compete year in and year out the private schools have the best team on one of the best teams in the state in Basketball, Soccer, Golf, Swimming, Lacrosse and other state sports.
 
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I remember Charleston Catholic playing in the old KVC, which was arguably the best AAA conference in the state at the time, and being competitive. Their basketball teams were always very solid. Football was a little different, it was tough for them to stand up to teams who dressed two or three times more kids than they did through ten games.

I don't know about a double jump, but bumping them up a class might not be a bad option to level the field.
 
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Imo the state of WV needs 2 classes & not 4. The state is losing population for crying out loud and has been for years. It’s so bad WV will be down to 2 congressional seats after the 2020 census. They should do away with a class instead of adding one. I guess everyone needs a trophy nowadays though and the SSAC is all about Funneling the $$$$$$ into Wheeling Island and Charleston.

And before anyone shoots me down, you do realize currently 48 high schools in WV go to the playoffs in High School football. According to the linked list there are 127 schools. For some reason the “school for the blind” is included and I don’t think they’re playing sports. Still you would have more than half the schools in the playoffs. What message are we sending if 16 out of 28 schools in some of these divisions get to go to the playoffs? You could be 5-5 in football and practically be guaranteed to be in. It’s as big of a joke as going 5-7 and getting a bowl game or buying your way into a tournament like the CTI or CBI-oh wait.
 
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WVpride304 said:
An idiot always wants to make things worse. The real issue is getting the best 8 in Charleston every year. That’s rediculous that 11-15 Lewis County and 11-15 Grafton get in AA 7-8 seeds because of fluke upsets. Teams that were 20-5 should get in or play a double elimination if they were that good in regular season. Logan High was one of top 3 AA teams all year and even beat AAA powers Beckley Woodrow Wilson and defending AAA George Washington in regular season and were 22-3 and don’t get in cause they had to play #1 Chapmanville in sectional and blew regional in fluke upset vs Poca. They need to keep the current A, AA, AAA and get the best 8 in each class down to Charleston every year. Give the fans what they want.
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Then Logan should have put up or shut up
They lost
Or do you just want to vote in who you like
 
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3xWVUenginEER said:
Imo the state of WV needs 2 classes & not 4. The state is losing population for crying out loud and has been for years. It’s so bad WV will be down to 2 congressional seats after the 2020 census. They should do away with a class instead of adding one. I guess everyone needs a trophy nowadays though and the SSAC is all about Funneling the $$$$$$ into Wheeling Island and Charleston.

And before anyone shoots me down, you do realize currently 48 high schools in WV go to the playoffs in High School football. According to the linked list there are 127 schools. For some reason the “school for the blind” is included and I don’t think they’re playing sports. Still you would have more than half the schools in the playoffs. What message are we sending if 16 out of 28 schools in some of these divisions get to go to the playoffs? You could be 5-5 in football and practically be guaranteed to be in. It’s as big of a joke as going 5-7 and getting a bowl game or buying your way into a tournament like the CTI or CBI-oh wait.
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The problem is just not the end result, it's the starting point. Everyone should start off the same, how and what you do to get there is where competition should arise to achieve a final result. It doesn't matter how many schools there are or not there. Classifications that have schools that are four times or twice as big is not a equal beginning. There are other states with less schools and more classifications than WV and they are having better representation than we do.
 
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Well, the SSAC signed off on this. Now it is pending the State School Board. So 8 more teams will head to the state basketball tournament that otherwise would not be there. So typical of the millennial generation that hands out participation trophies.
 
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