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TownesVanZandt_rivals

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Rootmaster said:
Obviously you have a reading comprehension problem. The obsession is your focus on Pitt...nobody cares about them.
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Do you ever not sound triggered...
Like I said...Pitt should stand on its own feet.
No reason for GregJacobs to use a conference to make Pitt look better.
I guess you are not smart enough to see OP's intentions. Maybe you support them...
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
The conference network could be a profit maker.
So...I wouldn't say anything for sure. I don't see it adding up because there is not the overall support for college athletics except for a few schools.

But....how much pull does ESPN have or how great is ESPN at selling the ACC.
PAC 12 owns their network outright as they don't have a media network backing them. Their biggest issue. But...the PAC 12 doesn't have to split their small pie with ESPN. ESPN for their work will take a large percentage of the ACC pie.
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Something that hurts the ACC Network is the SEC Network as well as the Big 10 Network footprints. Overlap is not overwhelming but it is substantial regarding viewership numbers. I cannot imagine any provider requiring subscribers to pay for the ACC as well as the SEC or B1G. If I want DirecTV in the Charlotte viewing area I MUST pay for the SEC network. Rutgers, Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida take away a lot of viewers and potential ACC income.
 
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michaelwalkerbr said:
Something that hurts the ACC Network is the SEC Network as well as the Big 10 Network footprints. Overlap is not overwhelming but it is substantial regarding viewership numbers. I cannot imagine any provider requiring subscribers to pay for the ACC as well as the SEC or B1G. If I want DirecTV in the Charlotte viewing area I MUST pay for the SEC network. Rutgers, Maryland, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Florida take away a lot of viewers and potential ACC income.
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The bigger issue will be the demand in the Northeast.
Carolinas, Georgia and Florida is only about 45? Million people.


But the main issue has been and will be the cost of the network.
This is where the issue lies with the ACC schools.
Plus the full share to ND. ND is getting a full share plus NBC TV movie.
The ACC has no leaverage on them unless their demand drops and NBC drops their games.


Here is a piece on an article

But a big question is just how successful the ACC Network will actually be. In an era where there are plenty of distribution challenges for league networks, even well-established ones like the Big Ten Network, launching a new channel is an unconventional move. (Presuming that this will actually be a new channel and not just a rebrand of one of the smaller ESPN networks, of course.) And while ESPN has major advantages over, say, the Pac-12, thanks to their ability to bundle this with access to their other content, it’s still not an easy environment to launch a network into.

If the reported internal revenue projections of a per-school distribution of $10-$15 million per year (for what it’s worth, ACC commissioner John Swofford insists the conference is actually more conservative than that) come true, schools will make back these startup costs quickly. But if they wind up with distribution challenges and/or fewer viewers than expected, there may be more questions asked about the strategy of spending so much in preparation for this launch.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.awfu...c-schools-120-million-acc-network-launch.html
 
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TownesVanZandt said:
You have to give credit where credit is due...
Will Grier can make all the throws needed to play at an elite level.
Especially when you put Dana's mind with it as well as all the WRs.

UCF's QB has maybe 70% of the arm that Grier has and UCF torched them.

Pitt wouldn't have been able to keep up with WV.
Probably would have been 34-14.
Plus WV's D wasn't half bad when they played an average offense.
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Na Texasss other way around. Pitt would have run up and down the field on that pathetic WVU D. See how easy it is to just post something and have it be so haha.
 
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GREGJACOBS said:
Na Texasss other way around. Pitt would have run up and down the field on that pathetic WVU D. See how easy it is to just post something and have it be so haha.
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Running the ball is based on stopping your opponent.

Reason why a conventional offense doesn't work in the Big XII.

Ask TCU.

Pitt would have been a poor man's TCU in 2018.
Nothing against TCU. I think TCU was a great team. Had a handful of good to elite Defensive players and had a few skill players.

But did not have a legit QB that could throw downfield.
With all that talent...TCU was 6-6.

TCU played West Virginia tough until they gave up a TD and then fumbled the ball...

Even with those great RBs, Jalen Reagor, and a decent defense TCU couldn't play with WV

This was the same TCU that had a chance to beat Ohio State.
 
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5-Technique said:
If Lunardi is right (a big if, I know) and the Big 12 gets 8 teams in...more of the latter than the former.
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Set up more now for more P5s to get in. Figured you’d know that. Anyway my point was the Big12 May not have many Top seeds. Just saying it will be interesting to see if Committee views these Big12 programs as 1-4 seeds because the Big12 is so strong this year. There’ll be 6-9 in all of the P5 conferences except for the PAC of course.
 
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Pitt4Life34

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TownesVanZandt said:
Running the ball is based on stopping your opponent.

Reason why a conventional offense doesn't work in the Big XII.

Ask TCU.

Pitt would have been a poor man's TCU in 2018.
Nothing against TCU. I think TCU was a great team. Had a handful of good to elite Defensive players and had a few skill players.

But did not have a legit QB that could throw downfield.
With all that talent...TCU was 6-6.

TCU played West Virginia tough until they gave up a TD and then fumbled the ball...

Even with those great RBs, Jalen Reagor, and a decent defense TCU couldn't play with WV

This was the same TCU that had a chance to beat Ohio State.
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Nope Pitt would beat WVU. See how easy that is to post.
 
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Big 12 has a different issue...

The ACC would have the Big 12 issue if Florida St was smart...

Florida has 20 million people...
If UF is making less money now under the SEC network than they were when they had control of their third tier rights.
What about Florida State.
Florida State could get a UF like deal from Sun Sports today...
Might not be LHN money but it would be pretty close.

Big 12 has the issue that Texas is not sharing what it has.
The ACC's problem is like the Big 12 there is not enough to go around so collectivism is not the best way to go.
Greed works. It is the American Way.
 
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Rootmaster said:
You are such a Blow Hard Moron. In less than 20 lines you managed to argue both sides. So which is it....quick Google something!
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The ACC went about their problem in a different manner.
Research the issues between Florida State and the ACC between 2011-2013.

At the root of both conferences there is the same issue.
Too many schools in one state
Too many schools that don't bring enough to the table.

The ACC will always be driven by basketball so the move to the Northeast made sense.

The problem with basketball is that the regular season is worthless and the conference only controls the television rights to the regular season and conference tournament.

If the basketball schools revolted against the NCAA as well and demanded more of the money from the tournament.
A conference like the ACC would have much more power.


UNC has used this to their leverage.
UNC behind the scenes has probably as much power in the NCAA as anyone
Because football doesn't make money for the NCAA.
 
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Oklahoma is the only question.
But Oklahoma has OOC play.

Lon Kruger has done an excellent job but even Kruger can't get them through the Big XII.

They need 3 more wins in conference.
 
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TCU doesn't have a great schedule. Their biggest win is Florida OOC. Biggest conference win ISU and Baylor. With Baylor being question mark big win. They have lost 3 straight. They have a chance to clinch by winning a big game in the final 5 games.

ISU
WVU
TTU
KSU
TEXAS

They could be in trouble. Could be 6 or 7 teams in. Depends on conference tournaments and upsets.
 
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burg_eer said:
Pitt eats **** and every one of their 11 fans are dildos.
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Just a couple of questions.

Why the anger and middle school vocabulary over a school that means nothing to WVU anymore?

Your choice of words is obviously very limited in scope...are you an illegal alien here just learning street English?

Do you enjoy being the stereotype for WV jokes?

Just wonderin'
 
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burg_eer

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Rootmaster said:
Just a couple of questions.

Why the anger and middle school vocabulary over a school that means nothing to WVU anymore?

Your choice of words is obviously very limited in scope...are you an illegal alien here just learning street English?

Do you enjoy being the stereotype for WV jokes?

Just wonderin'
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You and morons like you are why I couldn't get away from the MMB fast enough. Yesterday is the first time I have checked in on this ******** of a message board in months and I see the same pack of imbeciles here, ...you being the lead dog. You're miserable.
 
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burg_eer said:
You and morons like you are why I couldn't get away from the MMB fast enough. Yesterday is the first time I have checked in on this ******** of a message board in months and I see the same pack of imbeciles here, ...you being the lead dog. You're miserable.
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Why so angry? Was it football the season? Or is it the basketball season?
 
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