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Manafort is a millionaire...

arms dealer...

and way before Trump entered the picture...

Hilliary on the other hand...

 
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bamaEER said:
He lied about his relations with the Russians. I'm guessing he's scared $hitless about what the Russians might do to him.
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obama lied for 8 years...aoc and 23 and me lie every day....and they are in public office....your point is?
 
The Dunedein

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Boomboom521 said:
Not if he gets pardoned
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That’s clearly a possibility. I’m not too convinced of that, though.

Manafort was arrested, his records were seized, he was investigated pretty thoroughly by most accounts, he spent several months in jail pre-trial for contacting witnesses before trial and getting caught, he was convicted of eight crimes, he’s now spent even more time in jail and is reportedly not handling it very well mentally or physically, tens of millions of dollars of his assets have been seized and are up for sale this week, he makes a deal with Mueller to cooperate, he knows Mueller is watching him and double-checking him, he knows the federal judge will crush him if he breaches his cooperation deal, he knows he could be brought up on even more charges if he gets caught breaching the deal, a presidential pardon is not a certainty, and yet . . . he breaches the deal.

There is something bigger going on here. My speculation is that Manafort, knowing that Mueller has not yet found the Mother Lode, is doing his part to misdirect the investigation and keep it away from the correct path. Mueller has spotted the tip of the iceberg, but hasn’t learned how deep down it goes. (mixed metaphors, i know, but hopefully you get the idea).

On the other hand, maybe the OP is right and maybe Manafort is an idiot. But i don’t think he got where he was, in his particular business, by being an idiot.
 
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The Dunedein said:
There is something bigger going on here. My speculation is that Manafort, knowing that Mueller has not yet found the Mother Lode, is doing his part to misdirect the investigation and keep it away from the correct path. Mueller has spotted the tip of the iceberg, but hasn’t learned how deep down it goes. (mixed metaphors, i know, but hopefully you get the idea).

On the other hand, maybe the OP is right and maybe Manafort is an idiot. But i don’t think he got where he was, in his particular business, by being an idiot.
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You're starting to sounds a wee bit THE-ie, imo. Do these low level con men strike you as criminal masterminds?
 
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The Dunedein said:
That’s clearly a possibility. I’m not too convinced of that, though.

Manafort was arrested, his records were seized, he was investigated pretty thoroughly by most accounts, he spent several months in jail pre-trial for contacting witnesses before trial and getting caught, he was convicted of eight crimes, he’s now spent even more time in jail and is reportedly not handling it very well mentally or physically, tens of millions of dollars of his assets have been seized and are up for sale this week, he makes a deal with Mueller to cooperate, he knows Mueller is watching him and double-checking him, he knows the federal judge will crush him if he breaches his cooperation deal, he knows he could be brought up on even more charges if he gets caught breaching the deal, a presidential pardon is not a certainty, and yet . . . he breaches the deal.

There is something bigger going on here. My speculation is that Manafort, knowing that Mueller has not yet found the Mother Lode, is doing his part to misdirect the investigation and keep it away from the correct path. Mueller has spotted the tip of the iceberg, but hasn’t learned how deep down it goes. (mixed metaphors, i know, but hopefully you get the idea).

On the other hand, maybe the OP is right and maybe Manafort is an idiot. But i don’t think he got where he was, in his particular business, by being an idiot.
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Makes sense. Imo, it’s him or Stone that would have the most information to bring any charges against Trump or confirm outright collusion.
 
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The Dunedein said:
That’s clearly a possibility. I’m not too convinced of that, though.

Manafort was arrested, his records were seized, he was investigated pretty thoroughly by most accounts, he spent several months in jail pre-trial for contacting witnesses before trial and getting caught, he was convicted of eight crimes, he’s now spent even more time in jail and is reportedly not handling it very well mentally or physically, tens of millions of dollars of his assets have been seized and are up for sale this week, he makes a deal with Mueller to cooperate, he knows Mueller is watching him and double-checking him, he knows the federal judge will crush him if he breaches his cooperation deal, he knows he could be brought up on even more charges if he gets caught breaching the deal, a presidential pardon is not a certainty, and yet . . . he breaches the deal.

There is something bigger going on here. My speculation is that Manafort, knowing that Mueller has not yet found the Mother Lode, is doing his part to misdirect the investigation and keep it away from the correct path. Mueller has spotted the tip of the iceberg, but hasn’t learned how deep down it goes. (mixed metaphors, i know, but hopefully you get the idea).

On the other hand, maybe the OP is right and maybe Manafort is an idiot. But i don’t think he got where he was, in his particular business, by being an idiot.
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good points, but to lie to Mueller after he made a plea strikes me as pretty stupid
 
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Bbbbbbbbbut Hillary didn't work eh? Lol, I guess he thought Donnie could save him with a pardon, amazing how many in his circle were just stupid con men.
 
The Dunedein

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WVUCOOPER said:
You're starting to sounds a wee bit THE-ie, imo. Do these low level con men strike you as criminal masterminds?
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Manafort does not strike me as a criminal mastermind. Nor does Gates or Flynn or any of the others who have copped a plea. Of course, i've never met Manfort, talked with him, or heard any substantive interviews of him. It may be as simple as he did all of his dealings on his own, completely unconnected to the Trump campaign, just trying to help in his own, ham-handed way. But given the extent of his involvement with Russian and Ukrainian politics and the level of people he was dealing with over there, it seems that there's more to it than an amateurish, misguided and innocent attempt to get his friend elected.

Look, i'm just speculating, which means all i have to go on is what little information i've garnered from what the media feeds us and my opinions. Having said that, it seems like there's more to this investigation than what the talking heads are discussing, like an onion that hasn't been fully peeled yet. Will Mueller find a Mother Lode (if there is one), or will this be like the search for Jimmy Hoffa's corpse? At least it's entertaining and gives us something to jaw about.

i just hope that Mueller's report is released to the public, since the country is supposed to belong to us, and that regardless of what he finds (criminal activity or no "there" there), somehow American citizens accept the result and move forward.
 
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The Dunedein said:
Manafort does not strike me as a criminal mastermind. Nor does Gates or Flynn or any of the others who have copped a plea. Of course, i've never met Manfort, talked with him, or heard any substantive interviews of him. It may be as simple as he did all of his dealings on his own, completely unconnected to the Trump campaign, just trying to help in his own, ham-handed way. But given the extent of his involvement with Russian and Ukrainian politics and the level of people he was dealing with over there, it seems that there's more to it than an amateurish, misguided and innocent attempt to get his friend elected.

Look, i'm just speculating, which means all i have to go on is what little information i've garnered from what the media feeds us and my opinions. Having said that, it seems like there's more to this investigation than what the talking heads are discussing, like an onion that hasn't been fully peeled yet. Will Mueller find a Mother Lode (if there is one), or will this be like the search for Jimmy Hoffa's corpse? At least it's entertaining and gives us something to jaw about.

i just hope that Mueller's report is released to the public, since the country is supposed to belong to us, and that regardless of what he finds (criminal activity or no "there" there), somehow American citizens accept the result and move forward.
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The MSM isn't going to accept it. You wait and see and neither is Adam **** for brains.
 
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Original Mountaineer1 said:
you continue to hold 2nd place in the board idiot ranking only behind Lenny
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and it is ignorant people like you who helped elect the idiots who trashed this country and caused the rise of Donald Trump...so look no further than your own mirror if you want to see an idiot.......and you yourself aren't too far beyond tjebud on the liberal fool -o-meter....eabboswhan
 
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The Dunedein said:
Manafort does not strike me as a criminal mastermind. Nor does Gates or Flynn or any of the others who have copped a plea. Of course, i've never met Manfort, talked with him, or heard any substantive interviews of him. It may be as simple as he did all of his dealings on his own, completely unconnected to the Trump campaign, just trying to help in his own, ham-handed way. But given the extent of his involvement with Russian and Ukrainian politics and the level of people he was dealing with over there, it seems that there's more to it than an amateurish, misguided and innocent attempt to get his friend elected.

Look, i'm just speculating, which means all i have to go on is what little information i've garnered from what the media feeds us and my opinions. Having said that, it seems like there's more to this investigation than what the talking heads are discussing, like an onion that hasn't been fully peeled yet. Will Mueller find a Mother Lode (if there is one), or will this be like the search for Jimmy Hoffa's corpse? At least it's entertaining and gives us something to jaw about.

i just hope that Mueller's report is released to the public, since the country is supposed to belong to us, and that regardless of what he finds (criminal activity or no "there" there), somehow American citizens accept the result and move forward.
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You realize Manafort is way more connected to the Podestas and by extension the Clinton machine than he is the Trumps, right? Everyone’s assumptions are still based on their belief collusion occurred. You have Dem Senators now saying they’ve seen no evidence.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
You realize Manafort is way more connected to the Podestas and by extension the Clinton machine than he is the Trumps, right? Everyone’s assumptions are still based on their belief collusion occurred. You have Dem Senators now saying they’ve seen no evidence.
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Wow, Trump hires a Podesta - Clinton henchman to run his campaign? He must truly be a fvcking idiot then, no?
 
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Boomboom521 said:
Great leader. Hope The Corp chooses them better.
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We have our fair share as well. One of mine had a degree in astrophysics and came to us from the Boat School where they taught ethics. Was undoubtedly the worst 2 years of my career. Terrible leader. Then we get some Snake Driver from podunk North Dakota who was an ROTC guy and ended up being a man I would follow into hell...and did.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
We have our fair share as well. One of mine had a degree in astrophysics and came to us from the Boat School where they taught ethics. Was undoubtedly the worst 2 years of my career. Terrible leader. Then we get some Snake Driver from podunk North Dakota who was an ROTC guy and ended up being a man I would follow into hell...and did.
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I don’t think leadership can be taught. Strategy? Yes. Communication? Yes. Organization? Yes.

But there is a quality. A delicate balance of humility and confidence....of the ability to listen and also dictate....to inspire and able to be inspired....that a good leader must have. And above everything, they have to be real, and that is a quality that while simple is being lost in most people these days, imo. For me being real is something one must work at, commit to everyday. The little challenges we face daily can erode the soul if you allow it to, and the only things you can replace it with are fake.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
I don’t think leadership can be taught. Strategy? Yes. Communication? Yes. Organization? Yes.

But there is a quality. A delicate balance of humility and confidence....of the ability to listen and also dictate....to inspire and able to be inspired....that a good leader must have. And above everything, they have to be real, and that is a quality that while simple is being lost in most people these days, imo. For me being real is something one must work at, commit to everyday. The little challenges we face daily can erode the soul if you allow it to, and the only things you can replace it with are fake.
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Well said, for a liberal *****.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
You realize Manafort is way more connected to the Podestas and by extension the Clinton machine than he is the Trumps, right? Everyone’s assumptions are still based on their belief collusion occurred. You have Dem Senators now saying they’ve seen no evidence.
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i don't know about the degree of connection. I've said before that if they dig deep enough, it could turn out that both sides (Clinton and Trump) were dipping into foreign help. Not legal for either party to do. That's one reason the but-obama and but-hillary and but-trump dodges don't make any sense and lack credibility. If they did something wrong, prosecute them, whether it's Dems or Repubs. If not going to prosecute them, don't regurgitate the but-the-other-guy dodge. The Republicans had control of the White House, the Senate, the House, the Justice Department, the FBI, etc. for two years (and still have all of that except the House). If Obama or Hillary did something wrong, the Repubs should quit jawing and start investigating and prosecuting.

As to comments from the politicians regarding the efforts of their "investigation," that has little meaning to me. I don't put much stock in their work on that, Repub or Democrat. They have not had the same resources and witnesses available to them as Mueller, don't have the same training and experience, don't have the staff/team he does, and are not as focused on the investigation as him. The committee hearings that i've seen where they question witnesses are pretty much a joke, depending on who is doing the questioning, whether they are up for re-election, whether they like the witness, etc. Too often, they either propound softball, spoon-fed questions, or make agenda statements rather than a question. The politicians are, also, understandably, working on all sorts of other issues and projects (running for re-election, immigration, border security and walls, military matters, North Korea's nukes, pending legislation, etc.), while Muller and his team are dialed in on just one job. I want to see Mueller's report, evidence and findings, and make up my own mind. I don't give much weight to what the politicians say about stuff and prefer to reach my own conclusions. I have a stubborn streak and don't like politicians spinning things and feeding me their conclusions and what they want me to think is important. Make Mueller's report public and let us see what he found out about our elected government. Then we accept his findings, whether he finds bad conduct or gives a clean bill of health to those investigated, reduce some of this divisiveness, and move our country forward. Silly, i know.
 
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