Speaking of crazy

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How unstable to do have to be to conspire to shut the gov’t twice in the same year? Chuckie may need to get help.
 

moe

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How unstable to do have to be to conspire to shut the gov’t twice in the same year? Chuckie may need to get help.
You and Trump live in a fantasy world. shew


Speaking to Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Oval Office, Trump said on December 11, “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
 

bornaneer

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How unstable to do have to be to conspire to shut the gov’t twice in the same year? Chuckie may need to get help.
This is again all about anything anti Trump. Shummer and the Dems will not vote to fund the Government....they are responsible for the shutdown...pure and simple.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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You and Trump live in a fantasy world. shew


Speaking to Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer in the Oval Office, Trump said on December 11, “I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.”
Well, I guess he would’ve done it had they sent him a bill to sign. They didn’t, so he’s not at fault for this one.
 

moe

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This is again all about anything anti Trump. Shummer and the Dems will not vote to fund the Government....they are responsible for the shutdown...pure and simple.
Trump has already proudly taken responsibility for the shutdown. The world saw and heard him say it, how can Trump or anyone deny that?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Trump has already proudly taken responsibility for the shutdown. The world saw and heard him say it, how can Trump or anyone deny that?
Circumstances, it’s pretty easy actually. Nothing was sent to his desk for him to veto. Dems own it, Pelosi had her bluff called.
 

wvu2007

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No one is going to die because of the Dem shutdown. At the same time if the dems are so worried about people they need to vote for the bill or send a better one to the president. Dems could end the shutdown if they wanted to.
 

Boomboom521

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Well, I guess he would’ve done it had they sent him a bill to sign. They didn’t, so he’s not at fault for this one.
You can’t force things into a bill, and then expect those that oppose those things to eat it......just because it plays bad.
 

boomerwv

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Jan 16, 2008
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Well, I guess he would’ve done it had they sent him a bill to sign. They didn’t, so he’s not at fault for this one.

You are way smarter than to believe that. You know good and well that he directed what the house brought to the floor after the Senate had already passed a bill he signaled to leadership that he was going to sign.
 

TarHeelEer

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You are way smarter than to believe that. You know good and well that he directed what the house brought to the floor after the Senate had already passed a bill he signaled to leadership that he was going to sign.

Trump hasn't vetoed a single thing. You've got to get it to his desk first. This is #SchumerShutdown part 2.
 

79eer

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Who said a carbon tax wouldn’t reduce energy consumption? No one home watching television in Paris.
 

boomerwv

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Trump hasn't vetoed a single thing. You've got to get it to his desk first. This is #SchumerShutdown part 2.

You think he needs to actually veto something to control what happened in the house? You are either disingenuous or completely lacking knowledge of politics.

By this logic why isn't it the Ryan Shutdown?
 

DvlDog4WVU

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You think he needs to actually veto something to control what happened in the house? You are either disingenuous or completely lacking knowledge of politics.

By this logic why isn't it the Ryan Shutdown?
Sorry friend. Pelosi said the votes didn’t exist in the house. They did. Schumer owns this one. He can give the ok or not. It’s his choice.
 

Boomboom521

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Hahaha, are you being serious right now?
Yes, not without taking some of the blame. That’s why things are done in committee, and votes are tallied before the actual floor vote. Compromises are made, pork, earmarks, admendments added, and thus goes the gubment jive turkey! When a President (or his party) do not have the votes, yet force a measure into a budget, they need to relent or offer a quid pro quo to get the fvcking votes.

Playing it in the media as the fault of the opposition party for the bill not being passed, is just perception politics. Jags like you might believe it, but I think you know what’s the what. Trump’s hardon for the “beautiful wall” he promised just shut down the government.
 

WVU82_rivals

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Once constructed, though, the barrier would save several times that amount by reducing the number of illegal border crossers who end up on welfare rolls, according to Steven Camarota, the research director at the Center for Immigration Studies.

Camarota crunched the numbers and found that if the border wall cut an expected 1.7 million illegal crossings by 200,000 — about 12 percent — over a decade, it would pay for itself in fiscal savings from welfare, public education, tax credits and other benefits available to low-income, illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America.

At the higher end of effectiveness, if a wall stopped 50 percent of those expected crossings in the next 10 years, it would save $64 billion — nearly four times the cost of the wall — in welfare and social spending alone.

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Immigration drains the government, sapping as much as $296 billion a year from federal, state and local taxpayers while depressing wages, at least in the short run, according to an authoritative study released Wednesday by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.