Does Penn have the death penalty?

Airport

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It would be nice in situations like this that you could put him in an express line.
 

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Yes Express way to Hell...no question about his guilt...ofcourse the only time a liberal thinks your guilty is if your a Republican
 

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Why? Isn't premeditated murder hateful? The only reason for hate crimes is so that ***** states without the death penalty wouldn't look so bad.
You state some of the craziest things. You don't think some people plan a murder for other reasons than hate? Maybe killing for money? Maybe to go Jeffrey Dalmer on someone? Maybe to quiet someone?

Hate crimes are not for te reason you gave but zero chance you understanding.
 

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You state some of the craziest things. You don't think some people plan a murder for other reasons than hate? Maybe killing for money? Maybe to go Jeffrey Dalmer on someone? Maybe to quiet someone?

Hate crimes are not for te reason you gave but zero chance you understanding.
He just doesn't like his thinking called out as hate.
 

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You state some of the craziest things. You don't think some people plan a murder for other reasons than hate? Maybe killing for money? Maybe to go Jeffrey Dalmer on someone? Maybe to quiet someone?

Hate crimes are not for te reason you gave but zero chance you understanding.
The person who planned the hit, paying somebody, sure must hate him. Dalmer was not put to death like he should have been. Why not? I know why the hate crimes is there. I just point out the absurdity of needing it. How about special circumstances instead of hate crime?
 

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He just doesn't like his thinking called out as hate.
It isn't hate. Why shouldn't state law deal with the person? Why is it the federal responsibility to execute the person? Bru mentioned Dalmer, he wasn't put to death. Why not? Wasn't he murdered in prison?
 

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The person who planned the hit, paying somebody, sure must hate him. Dalmer was not put to death like he should have been. Why not? I know why the hate crimes is there. I just point out the absurdity of needing it. How about special circumstances instead of hate crime?
I'm not a legal expert but I believe the intent of calling it a hate crime is due to a violation of a constitutional right in addition to the actual crime. In this case, it is a violation of being and exercising their right to freedom of religion.
 

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I'm not a legal expert but I believe the intent of calling it a hate crime is due to a violation of a constitutional right in addition to the actual crime. In this case, it is a violation of being and exercising their right to freedom of religion.

By being murdered.

Crime is crime, regardless of intent. Murder is murder, to murder is to hate, regardless of the reason behind it. Creating a new classification of crime is not going to curtail it, or discourage it.

That being said, use the laws on the books and fry him.
 

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I'm not a legal expert but I believe the intent of calling it a hate crime is due to a violation of a constitutional right in addition to the actual crime. In this case, it is a violation of being and exercising their right to freedom of religion.
Hate crimes pertain to race, and sexual preference. Why wasn't gary Ridgeway executed? My guess would be the state of Washington didn't think killing 40 women reason enough. Maybe he didn't hate enough women. There are people who should be put to death, the Pittsburgh guy is one of them. I prefer special circumstances over hate. It's the same thing.
 

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It isn't hate. Why shouldn't state law deal with the person? Why is it the federal responsibility to execute the person? Bru mentioned Dalmer, he wasn't put to death. Why not? Wasn't he murdered in prison?
Why must you dictate state law?
 

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By being murdered.

Crime is crime, regardless of intent. Murder is murder, to murder is to hate, regardless of the reason behind it. Creating a new classification of crime is not going to curtail it, or discourage it.

That being said, use the laws on the books and fry him.
Couldn't agree more. That guy needs to visit ol Sparky!
 

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By being murdered.

Crime is crime, regardless of intent. Murder is murder, to murder is to hate, regardless of the reason behind it. Creating a new classification of crime is not going to curtail it, or discourage it.

That being said, use the laws on the books and fry him.
Again, so we get rid of terrorism charges? Not all crimes are equal.
 

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Why must you dictate state law?
Should the state be held responsible for allowing him in with the general population, therefore setting up his murder because the other inmates hated him? Is that state sponsored hate crime? See how convoluted hate crime legislation can get?
 

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Again, so we get rid of terrorism charges? Not all crimes are equal.
Special circumstances. Terrorism is by definition hate. I would prefer the term special circumstances over hate. That's all.
 

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Should the state be held responsible for allowing him in with the general population, therefore setting up his murder because the other inmates hated him? Is that state sponsored hate crime? See how convoluted hate crime legislation can get?
Except your post makes zero legal sense. Other than that 110/100
 

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Except your post makes zero legal sense. Other than that 110/100
The legal system is required to keep the inmate in a safe environment. They obviously did not. That's why some are kept in isolation for their own safety. being the all knowing pooh bah that you are, you should be aware of that.
 

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A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.
 

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Saying "a crime is a crime " is too simplistic, imo. I support hate crime legislation and laws and find it to be 100% applicable in this Pittsburgh massacre and in every instance I can remember being used.
 

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Saying "a crime is a crime " is too simplistic, imo. I support hate crime legislation and laws and find it to be 100% applicable in this Pittsburgh massacre and in every instance I can remember being used.
Was it used against Dahmer?