Dana was correct about Spav.

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It wasn't bad play calling.

Will's confidence was shot after bad performance against Kansas.

He played timid against Iowa State.

Spav coached him up in off week.

Thank goodness we have a coach like Spavital.
 

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It wasn't bad play calling.

Will's confidence was shot after bad performance against Kansas.

He played timid against Iowa State.

Spav coached him up in off week.

Thank goodness we have a coach like Spavital.

Are you sure he was calling the game? He spent a lot of time tied to Holgs hip tonight.
 

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I'm not saying that (pee wee) I'm just saying college HC jobs are hard to get. A lot of right situations and timing & connections/politics involved. Where does Spavital have this track eye popping track record and connections to get a HC job? If he does good for him.
 
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Whoever was calling the plays did a good job. I’m sure some of that credit goes to spavital
main corrections I saw were
1. More use of quick throws and RPOs. We went right to that in start of game
2. More misdirection and motion
3. Better use of backs to pick up the blitz.
4. Better use of TE- dragging him into vacated area by blitzer and also off play action

Also Grier got rid of the ball much better.
I do agree with wannstedt that our running game willl need to be better down the stretch. Mostly better run blocking

It wasn't bad play calling.

Will's confidence was shot after bad performance against Kansas.

He played timid against Iowa State.

Spav coached him up in off week.

Thank goodness we have a coach like Spavital.
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I really want to believe that Spavital called that game last night, but I've always been a skeptic. Whoever called an RPO with a backup that late in the game needs their head checked.
 

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Whoever was calling the plays did a good job. I’m sure some of that credit goes to spavital
main corrections I saw were
1. More use of quick throws and RPOs. We went right to that in start of game
2. More misdirection and motion
3. Better use of backs to pick up the blitz.
4. Better use of TE- dragging him into vacated area by blitzer and also off play action

Also Grier got rid of the ball much better.
I do agree with wannstedt that our running game willl need to be better down the stretch. Mostly better run blocking


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I agree with everything you said. It seems like some of these adjustments, maybe on a smaller scale, could have been instituted at halftime of the ISU game. Then again, I don't know if it would have made that much difference. It just sort of seems like we were destined to lose that particular night.
 

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National Rankings of Offenses Run by Jake Spavital:

2013 Texas A&M - 9th in total offense, 6th in passing offense (1st round QB)
2014 Texas A&M - 32nd in total offense, 13th in passing offense
2015 Texas A&M - 48th in total offense, 40th in passing offense (injury and attrition at QB)
2016 Cal - 20th in total offense, 6th in passing offense (3rd round QB)
2017 WVU - 23rd in total offense, 13th in passing offense (future NFL QB)
2018 WVU so far - 32nd in total offense DESPITE MISSING A GAME, 13th in passing offense DESPITE MISSING A GAME (future 1st round QB)


and people still try to say Jake Spavital isn't a great Offensive Coordinator.
 
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So a guy who has add one season out of 6 where his total offense was ranked in the top 10 (and that was with Johnny Manziel who gifted Cliff Kingsbury a HC job at TX Tech) is a great offensive coordinator?

Yeah you might want to look a Dana Holgorsen's offensive #s at Houston and Oklahoma State and you'll really be impressed.
 

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So a guy who has add one season out of 6 where his total offense was ranked in the top 10 (and that was with Johnny Manziel who gifted Cliff Kingsbury a HC job at TX Tech) is a great offensive coordinator?

Yeah you might want to look a Dana Holgorsen's offensive #s at Houston and Oklahoma State and you'll really be impressed.


Yes, considering what he was working with at Cal and here last season after Grier went down.

If we played NC State this season, win or lose............... we are top 10 in total offense and passing offense easy.

We are averaging 479 total yards a game right now. Tack that onto our current total of 3,354 and that average would give us 3,833....... ranking us 9th overall in the country.
 

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We just disagree.


Spavital does the job-Yes.

Great-No.

Gonna be a HC in 2019-Nah

You don't run your best qb on 2nd & goal from the 1 with Chugs as the backup. That playcall is why we finished with 3 straight Ls in 2017.

To me Great is what Dana did with the guy at Houston, Weeden, Geno, Clint, and Skylar. His offense got 3 of those guys waaaaaaay over drafted.
 

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"You don't run your best qb on 2nd & goal from the 1 with Chugs as the backup."

Shew............. That was a Will Grier play change, per his own words.


What Dana did at Okie St..................... Spavital is doing LITERALLY RIGHT NOW.


2010 Okie ST was top 10 in total offense and Top 5 passing offense.

If WVU had played NC State, our averages show that we'd be top 10 in Total Offense and Top 5 in Passing Offense.
 

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Then he doesn't get to make that play call And audible.

And

You can't make comparisons between Wheaton and Grier. That is like comparing dog food or at best hamburger helper with fillet mignon. You have to see that
 

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Firstly, it's Weeden. And of course I can compare Brandon Weeden to Will Grier, consider one was a 1st round pick who is STILL in the NFL and the other is a projected 1st round pick for the NFL.

Homer less for Will.............. or homer more for Spav. Either way, recognize his talent objectively.

Weeden threw for 9,000 yards in the same offense Grier plays in today. Will's at just over 5,700 and should finish around 7,400....~7,700 if we make the Conference Champ Game...... missing those games last season will keep Grier from approaching Weeden's production.
 
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I look at everything objectively. I pick stocks, funds, etc based on Rate of Return and P/E ratio. I do the same thing on the WVU football I watch.

If WVU runs the table and Grier gets big publicity for the Heisman (probably already engraved Tua's name on it sine has more TDs than incompletions), maybe Spavital gets a HC interview. I wouldn't count on it based on his current resume. It ain't all that. I don't see it. I'd take bets he's not a HC in 2019 at the college game.



As for Weeden, Wheaton, Weed Eater, Wannstedt, Whatever.

I don't follow the NFL anymore but I watched Wheaton in Cleveland, Dallas, & Houston. There's a reason he's been let go 3 times. He's not that good. I don't even know where he's at now cause I have not watched the NFL in years.

As for Grier, he clearly has the best arm and understanding of the game at WVU since Bulger and probably more so since Grier doesn't have an Amos standing next to him to hand the ball off to. He doesn't have a Soloman Page on the Oline either to cover his backside either.

I saw what happened after the 2nd qtr in the Texas game last year. WVU really stunk bad. It was embarrassing. It was like the Indianapolis Colts after losing Peyton Manning except we were not tanking to get Andrew Luck. That's my big knock on Spavital. He isn't an adjuster to what he has to work with to win. Dana even with Skylar Howard won 10 games by realizing I have to run (turn into a Ground Chuck type offense at times) and be more balanced.


Jimmy McElwain has to be cursing himself every time he looks in the mirror in An Arbor for believing he was that good of a coach to essentially run off an NFL QB like Will Grier with what's his name & WTF was he throwing to as the replacements in a pitiful SEC Least.
 

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Baylor had one good d-lineman and he blew up our o-line for most of the game (Lynch). Good thing Baylor decided they didn't want to cover the long ball.

Texas will have FOUR good d-lineman, AND their safeties will cover the long ball.

Lets HOPE Holgy calls the plays.
 

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I look at everything objectively. I pick stocks, funds, etc based on Rate of Return and P/E ratio. I do the same thing on the WVU football I watch.

If WVU runs the table and Grier gets big publicity for the Heisman (probably already engraved Tua's name on it sine has more TDs than incompletions), maybe Spavital gets a HC interview. I wouldn't count on it based on his current resume. It ain't all that. I don't see it. I'd take bets he's not a HC in 2019 at the college game.



As for Weeden, Wheaton, Weed Eater, Wannstedt, Whatever.

I don't follow the NFL anymore but I watched Wheaton in Cleveland, Dallas, & Houston. There's a reason he's been let go 3 times. He's not that good. I don't even know where he's at now cause I have not watched the NFL in years.

As for Grier, he clearly has the best arm and understanding of the game at WVU since Bulger and probably more so since Grier doesn't have an Amos standing next to him to hand the ball off to. He doesn't have a Soloman Page on the Oline either to cover his backside either.

I saw what happened after the 2nd qtr in the Texas game last year. WVU really stunk bad. It was embarrassing. It was like the Indianapolis Colts after losing Peyton Manning except we were not tanking to get Andrew Luck. That's my big knock on Spavital. He isn't an adjuster to what he has to work with to win. Dana even with Skylar Howard won 10 games by realizing I have to run (turn into a Ground Chuck type offense at times) and be more balanced.


Jimmy McElwain has to be cursing himself every time he looks in the mirror in An Arbor for believing he was that good of a coach to essentially run off an NFL QB like Will Grier with what's his name & WTF was he throwing to as the replacements in a pitiful SEC Least.




"I look at everything objectively"


stopped reading there.
 

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I agree with everything you said. It seems like some of these adjustments, maybe on a smaller scale, could have been instituted at halftime of the ISU game. Then again, I don't know if it would have made that much difference. It just sort of seems like we were destined to lose that particular night.

Totally agree with this. Maybe even sooner. Still would not have helped to tackle Montgomery. Our D had over 30 missed tackles. Hard to get a W that way.
 
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Totally agree with this. Maybe even sooner. Still would not have helped to tackle Montgomery. Our D has over 30 missed tackles. Hard to get a W that way.
I heard Holgorsen on the radio this week saying the tackling had been very good all year until ISU game. It seems to me it has been a deficiency for the past few seasons.
 

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Yeah you quit reading. Right.

You just like to argue more than breathe and don't have anything left to say.


My offer still stands I'll take bets that Spavital isn't a HC in college football in 2019.
 
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It wasn't bad play calling.

Will's confidence was shot after bad performance against Kansas.

He played timid against Iowa State.

Spav coached him up in off week.

Thank goodness we have a coach like Spavital.
He shoulda coached him up at halftime. And I'm no coach but were our 1st 2 plays against Baylor really screens? If so, was that Will changing from plays like that against ISU? If so, again, coach him at halftime.