Cincinnati to the Big XII
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Worse part of Southern Ohio is that when you go and try to get some biscuits and gravy they give you brown gravy and when you ask for sweet tea they give you packs of Splenda
Cincinnati has three things going for them
Basketball
Ohio recruits
The desire to screw Ohio St
But
Cincinnati has three things going against them
Football
Name brand
Lack of big time boosters
I think only way this will happen ia if the Big XII can increase to 12 and make more revenue.
Don't think Cincinnati can do that.
Maybe if Luke Fickell has 4 good years there and they have 4 more years to the Sweet 16
Correct me if I am wrong. A lot of people in that city and in Covington are Ohio St football/Kentucky basketball fans.
Basketball
Ohio recruits
The desire to screw Ohio St
But
Cincinnati has three things going against them
Football
Name brand
Lack of big time boosters
I think only way this will happen ia if the Big XII can increase to 12 and make more revenue.
Don't think Cincinnati can do that.
Maybe if Luke Fickell has 4 good years there and they have 4 more years to the Sweet 16
Correct me if I am wrong. A lot of people in that city and in Covington are Ohio St football/Kentucky basketball fans.
In no way is Cincinnati a good choice for the Big 12. There aren't many Little Five conference teams left worth poaching.
I like the Big 12 the way it is. It's perfect for football. 10 teams, 9 conference games, everyone plays everyone else. The Big 12 got it right and everyone else wants to criticize them for it. Go figure.
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N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errorize Texas Tech
A nnihilate Kansas
I ncinerate Iowa State
N ail Baylor
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R eam Oklahoma State
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I like the Big 12 the way it is. It's perfect for football. 10 teams, 9 conference games, everyone plays everyone else. The Big 12 got it right and everyone else wants to criticize them for it. Go figure.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T errorize Texas Tech
A nnihilate Kansas
I ncinerate Iowa State
N ail Baylor
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E lectrify TCU
R eam Oklahoma State
S laughter Oklahoma
If it was my decision I would use the relegation/promotion style for the Big XII and the AAC.
With a weighted scale of course with some sports being more important.
That is not reality.
Reality was that the Big XII did not expand because schools would lose money if they had.
In the future if the Big XII expands it would because two schools earned their position.
Cincinnati is one of the front runners if you ask me.
But I guess y'all do not think fondly of Cincinnati
Exactly. Unless 2 schools can add enough to the pie size for the current 10 to get a larger payday it won't happen. And with sports channels taking a bath on the deals they already made, TV upping ante isn't likely either. ESPN had to lay off a ton of people because their sports coverage payouts didn't cover their expenses for showing the games.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T ramatize Texas Tech
A nnihilate Kansas
I ncinerate Iowa State
N ail Baylor
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E lectrify TCU
R eam Oklahoma State
S laughter Oklahoma
Would be a horrible mistake. Doubt the old, established SW folks would view them with any favor at all.
Maybe in the 1960's and 1970's when anything outside of Texas seemed foreign.
Texas and even Oklahoma have changed. The Metroplex has people from all over the world especially the Midwest in its newer upscale suburbs.
The point is that Cincinnati is a low budget Louisville and the Big XII didn't want Louisville.
Like what was said if one of these teams force their way into the conference so be it.
Tulane will probably be the eleventh then the 12th would be a team who earned it.
I hope neither Tulane or Cincy are ever considered. Much better off remaining at 10 than adding one or two that bring NOTHING to the table. More mouths to feed and they are both, figuratively, unemployed.
Tulane is a former SEC school with a list of rich and influential boosters than could turn Tulane into a giant in 5 years.
Plus it brings recruits by the truckload.
The issue is there is no 12th school.
Cincy has expansion issues w/ it's football facilities due to being located in the city. The cost of buying up the real estate to expand is more than they can afford. They're stuck with 45K capacity on campus stadium that they're still paying on the expansion of from the last decade.
I don't see the Bengal's saying, "Why not use ours?" in the near future. After all, Cincy isn't Pitt.
I don't see the Bengal's saying, "Why not use ours?" in the near future. After all, Cincy isn't Pitt.
A lot of P5 teams have stadiums from 40K to 60K.
Very few schools have 60K plus.
I think there are other factors involved
1) If the CFP goes to 8 teams
2) Other options
3) Health of the Pac 12/ACC
It is all speculation.
With the new TV deal coming up I think the Big XII will look at all different avenues to stay ahead of the ACC and Pac 12.
Big 12 should stay with 10. Other conferences should also be at 10 teams. Ultimately in the year 2032, you'll have eight 10 team conferences, all playing a nine game round robin schedule, with a couple min-conference games. Eight winners advance to seeded playoffs. CFE will be 100 years old when this takes place. Red font, with 48 point type.
With the way things broke with streaming being the future and cable in decline, the Big XII actually got it right and the others (SEC, B1G, ACC mainly) got it wrong. I predict the other conferences will be looking for excuses to shed members like Rutgers, Maryland, Missouri, and Boston College, at some point in the 2020s when the race for "markets" becomes obsolete and the race for marquee matchups takes priority.
Even if the Bengals did, that NFL stadium thing is not a positive image. Even the sPitt fans have been saying it hurts more than it helps to have an off site non-connected stadium. It’s bush league really; especially for a
I hope not, the Big 12 is made up of State land Grant schools and UC is not one. Stick to large state type schools
Big XII is better off at 10. Only teams that makes any sense are already locked down in current P5 conferences
Serious options but not likely to ever happen.
• Florida State
• South Carolina
• Arkansas
• BYU
• Boise
• Mississippi State
• Colorado State
• Miami
But there is a extremely remote possibility of WVU going to BiG 10.
Serious options but not likely to ever happen.
• Florida State
• South Carolina
• Arkansas
• BYU
• Boise
• Mississippi State
• Colorado State
• Miami
But there is a extremely remote possibility of WVU going to BiG 10.
And too blind to see which team is in gold and blue.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T ramatize Texas Tech
A nnihilate Kansas
I ncinerate Iowa State
N ail Baylor
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E lectrify TCU
R eam Oklahoma State
S laughter Oklahoma
B1G wants three schools
Texas
N Carolina
Virginia
Reasons why is for research funding.
The B1G consortium for research needs schools like Maryland and Rutgers to continue to expand
Like what many said on here schools do not want to cut the pie but increase it.
Even with research funding.
The B1G academic alliance actually brings in more money than athletics
Ask yourself why they are FORMER SEC. They have been irrelevant for decades, If they had decided to be otherwise (and had the backing of these 'influential boosters' they could have made a move sometime in the last many years. Just do not see them as relevant at all. Cincy is also a much lower level program than would be readily welcomed into the XII.
"Markets" work numerous ways.
One is with third tier rights and conference networks.
SEC network becomes a part of the package in St Louis like Fox Sports Midwest.
The other is first and second tier rights.
Meaning a school like Mizzou still carries a large population
If Mizzou plays Tennessee on CBS a lot of people from Missouri watches the game.
This idea that conferences will get smaller is untrue.
The other point is with Maryland and Rutgers.
Even if they suck at all sports both universities provide the B1G with more money than let's say Kansas and their BB program can because of research funding.
These are not football teams that play school they are schools that play football
Tulane made the decision to leave the SEC for multiple reasons including issues with scholarship limitations.
They backed GA Tech in their fight with Alabama and Tulane left with GA Tech to become independent.
Point is they have the ability to throw the money needed to compete in a power conference.
If the Big XII expands Tulane will be the only for sure school included.
The ONLY reason the include Tulane is the away game road trip would be EPIC!!!
Plus you then will have Tulane telling LSU that NO players are theirs.
If Tulane gets all the top players just from Orleans and Jefferson Parishes they are a 8 win team every year
I enjoyed immensely going to New Orleans after WVU played at LSU. But Tulane would add nothing to the money that WVU would get from the Big 12 each year. Neither would Cincinnati. That's the litmus test for adding ANY team to the Big 12. Will each of the current 10 schools get more money from the Big 12 by adding those teams. Short of Alabama, Ohio State and Southern Cal or Stanford, I just don't think there's a Little Five team in the country that would do that. Not that the Tide, Buckeyes, etc. are Little Five teams.
M agnificent Grier passes shredded Tennessee, 40-14
O verhelmed drenched Youngstown, 52-17
U nable to play North Carolina State because of Hurricane Florence
N asty defense against Kansas State, 35-6
T ramatize Texas Tech
A nnihilate Kansas
I ncinerate Iowa State
N ail Baylor
E rectile dysfunction Texas
E lectrify TCU
R eam Oklahoma State
S laughter Oklahoma
For now. When cable companies have to adapt to stay with their streaming competitors in the very near future, bundling the SEC network into every sports cable package in Missouri or the B1G network with every package in NY/NJ won’t be a money maker any longer. I promise once the actual number of people who want the B1G network to specifically watch Rutgers to become a meaningful figure in TV revenue negotiations then the B1G leadership will fall all over themselves to invent a clause to boot them like old Big East did to Temple.
You are not understanding the Big East didn't have research universities nor an academic alliance.
The B1G does. Rutgers provides the B1G with 750 million dollars of research. Rutgers was brought in for two reasons. So the B1G network could be NY and so that the B1G universities could get more research funding.
Research money is way more important than football money. That money from sports is a tenth of what research money is.
You have to see the total picture.
If RU research dollars were so important Rutgers would have been a member long before the formation of the B1G network, it’s not like RU preferred the Big East over everything else. Furthermore on that argument, Nebraska, an academic tomato can, was given an invite before Rutgers.