Holy racist as **** add

lenny4wvu

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Bullcrap. Put the car in park, turn it off, put both hands on top of the steering wheel, yes sir, no sir, and follow every command.
I do that anyways. I watch Live PD, though that shhit is funny as hell(especially when riding dirty). I have my Army dog tags and Christian cross hanging from my rearview. I usually just get a warning...( I haven't gotten a ticket in like 15 yrs)
 

atlkvb

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1) I’m not mad.

2) I’m not debating any black man.

3) Pointing our that a black man voting for white racists is voting against his own interest isn’t being racist.

You never pointed out what was racist in my vote for Trump? Trump's not a racist, and you can't name one racist policy he advocates. Leftists are racists, because if you don't vote for them and their handouts, you're an Uncle Tom. My "best interests" were keeping more of my own money. The Left wants me receiving their stipends. I'd rather work for my living, and keep my own money instead of demanding some Leftist confiscate it from someone else to give to me and live in squalor on their "crumbs".

Racist.
 
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atlkvb

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@wvu2007 what were the final results of that poll you commissioned on if @countryroads89 was a racist? Wasn't it like 2-to-1 or at least over 80% of board members polled who agreed country earned that title? Read country in this thread and you won't wonder why the board voted the way they did.
 

atlkvb

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Is Countryroads89 a racist?
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Poll closed Feb 16, 2018.
  1. *
    Yes
    21 vote(s)
    80.8%
  2. No
    5 vote(s)
    19.2%
Yup, that's like 4-to-1. Unanimous...landslide...mandate even!

 

atlkvb

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You seem to think I care what some of you think about me? LOL!

I’m guessing a bunch of those 21 were offended by the ad Dvldog posted.

No...they were "offended' by this pic you posted to me without an explanation
 

Boomboom521

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I’m saying more white people are killed by cops. Period.

I’m also saying by percentage of population more blacks are killed by cops. I’m also saying by relative racial demographic percentage, black males are more likely to commit crimes thus having more interaction with cops thus equalizing out and negatively impacting the relative population percentage.

You have to look at the whole picture, not the emotional racially charged picture. As I said statistics aren’t in your favor on this one. This isn’t even counting the behavior towards police during these interactions, and an entire culture of glorifying violence and lawless behavior pervasive within the overwhelmingly predominant hip hop culture.

None of that excuses accidental shootings, each one should be investigated thoroughly and if applicable prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. With that said, when faced with arrest, show some ******* deference to the man with the gun or put more simply, use some common sense and forego your rep and street cred. I yes sir and no sir the **** out of cops when pulled over. I’ve also been in a vehicle where one of my minority friends didn’t behave appropriately and I was quickly on my face with a pistol drawn.

I also can draw a direct correlation to circumstances in the military when interacting with the local populace in Iraq. Luckily, during my interactions and because of their culture, they were very passive, but that didn’t stop me from having my rifle at the ready if they twitched wrong. Bottom line, I wanted to go home alive similar to these cops.
I hear you, and obviously good points. However, the conditions that create the atmosphere of violent crime is also a factor in the attitude of frustration towards the picture these statistics paint.

Whether it is a product of systemic racial imbalances in our history, or simply a byproduct of socioeconomic conditions solely, is a question that also contributes to the “big picture” you are choosing to reference.

The biggest issue to me is that when examining the factors that cause a heightened sense of concern or suspicion amongst officers of the law in traffic stops there is a racial element.

I want cops to come home safe too. But I want the life of even criminals to matter to peace officers.

Comparing a domestic interaction with law enforcement to a war zone policed by the US Army is invalid, imo. But I do agree that the counter argument to BLM is legitimate, and deserves as much attention (if not more). Crime is out of control, and our officers shouldn’t have to sacrifice their lives for a humanitarian endeavor seeking to rectify a historical racial imbalance.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I hear you, and obviously good points. However, the conditions that create the atmosphere of violent crime is also a factor in the attitude of frustration towards the picture these statistics paint.

Whether it is a product of systemic racial imbalances in our history, or simply a byproduct of socioeconomic conditions solely, is a question that also contributes to the “big picture” you are choosing to reference.

The biggest issue to me is that when examining the factors that cause a heightened sense of concern or suspicion amongst officers of the law in traffic stops there is a racial element.

I want cops to come home safe too. But I want the life of even criminals to matter to peace officers.

Comparing a domestic interaction with law enforcement to a war zone policed by the US Army is invalid, imo. But I do agree that the counter argument to BLM is legitimate, and deserves as much attention (if not more). Crime is out of control, and our officers shouldn’t have to sacrifice their lives for a humanitarian endeavor seeking to rectify a historical racial imbalance.
Your additional causal factors are easily able to be conceded by me, as we’ve discussed many times. It’s irrelevant IMO to this discussion. I’ve long sense believed crime is a byproduct of socioeconomic distress. I will not concede the pervasive discrimination alleged as a contributing factor, I believe socioeconomic conditions are racially blind. I see the same behaviors across all races of distressed socioeconomic classes. Additionally, all have equal opportunity to succeed based on life choices, though those in the environments have to overcome adversity inherent with the lower social orders. It’s like they revel in each other’s failures and often attempt subvert success.
 

Boomboom521

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Your additional causal factors are easily able to be conceded by me, as we’ve discussed many times. It’s irrelevant IMO to this discussion. I’ve long sense believed crime is a byproduct of socioeconomic distress. I will not concede the pervasive discrimination alleged as a contributing factor, I believe socioeconomic conditions are racially blind. I see the same behaviors across all races of distressed socioeconomic classes. Additionally, all have equal opportunity to succeed based on life choices, though those in the environments have to overcome adversity inherent with the lower social orders. It’s like they revel in each other’s failures and often attempt subvert success.
Those equal opportunities didn’t always exist, and some believe the imbalance continues to persist. I think barking at people trying to voice their opinions, and accusing them of hatred and ignorance is problematic for social and political discourse. Oh wait.....you know that, because you and many others on this board are frustrated by that very thing when it comes from the left.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Those equal opportunities didn’t always exist, and some believe the imbalance continues to persist.
I don’t care if they didn’t always exist, they do now and have for 2 generations. Those that believe they still exist are ignorant and making excuses when the reality is, they likely just haven’t been taught to compete or been willing to cast off entrenched behavioral patterns for the sake of assimilation.

I’m not barking, and haven’t once in this thread, especially with you. I’m just not buying the excuses, false narratives, bastardized statistics, or allowing myself to be connected with guilt.
 

TarHeelEer

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the conditions that create the atmosphere

It's the loss of hope, and the culture around the inner city. Saying the cops are racist isn't going to fix this.

This is why I coach football, this is why I do food deliveries, etc. The government itself can't fix this. It can help, with programs tailored to increase company ownership and employment, but it is private enterprise that will come through. We have to change the culture.
 

Boomboom521

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I don’t care if they didn’t always exist, they do now and have for 2 generations. Those that believe they still exist are ignorant and making excuses when the reality is, they likely just haven’t been taught to compete or been willing to cast off entrenched behavioral patterns for the sake of assimilation.

I’m not barking, and haven’t once in this thread, especially with you. I’m just not buying the excuses, false narratives, bastardized statistics, or allowing myself to be connected with guilt.
I think it’s problematic for you to make the determination if those barriers exist, although I agree that an open competitive atmosphere does exist, and hardwork and intelligence are the only universal barriers to success. I do however, believe that racial barriers, where eliminated, were eliminated by pressure from society. So, I don’t advocate for that pressure to subside, but I listen to voices from both sides of the dichotomy.
 

Boomboom521

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It's the loss of hope, and the culture around the inner city. Saying the cops are racist isn't going to fix this.

This is why I coach football, this is why I do food deliveries, etc. The government itself can't fix this. It can help, with programs tailored to increase company ownership and employment, but it is private enterprise that will come through. We have to change the culture.
We obviously have different ideas of how government can aid our society. But I respect your opinion, and applaud your personal commitment to making things better for all Americans.

I do agree that our problems exist in some mentalities as well.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I think it’s problematic for you to make the determination if those barriers exist, although I agree that an open competitive atmosphere does exist, and hardwork and intelligence are the only universal barriers to success. I do however, believe that racial barriers, where eliminated, were eliminated by pressure from society. So, I don’t advocate for that pressure to subside, but I listen to voices from both sides of the dichotomy.
Working in Corp America, I just don’t see the racial barriers anymore. I’m with a F500 company and we’ve moved well beyond racial barriers. It’s all discussion about gender identity pronouns and overcompensating for gender diversity. Maybe the racial barriers still exist in smaller firms or different industries, but I just don’t see it where I’m at. Even a little bit.
 

TarHeelEer

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Working in Corp America, I just don’t see the racial barriers anymore. I’m with a F500 company and we’ve moved well beyond racial barriers. It’s all discussion about gender identity pronouns and overcompensating for gender diversity. Maybe the racial barriers still exist in smaller firms or different industries, but I just don’t see it where I’m at. Even a little bit.

Try IT. 1/4 of my staff are not US born.