Another OM Trump post

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One of my criticisms of Trump is that he really came into office without a plan. He had ideas that were popular but honestly not much behind any of them. We saw that with Obamacare and the fact that never really had any idea how to make it better even after 18 months of claiming he did. Nevertheless the problems with Obamacare, illegal immigration, the EPA, trade, weren't his issues. All wrongs were the fault of Obama and everything going well was his doing.

So now we are 18 months in and he has hit his first real issue caused by his action: American farmers are being hurt by his trade war. American consumers soon will be. This is not Obama's trade war but his. No matter how he spins it, and he will, this pain will be all his. This points to a thought I have stated from early in his presidency; he doesn't understand how the economy works. He doesn't understand that his actions in one area impact another. Our economy was humming with a large trade deficit mainly with China. Why start a trade war now? Unemployment is amazingly low. Americans are spending. Wages are finally increasing and he starts a trade war for some unknown reason.

I have pointed to other similar issues. He doesn't understand that lowering taxes during economic growth has long term, negative implications, namely inflation. He has recently been criticizing the Fed and their push to increase interest rates. He doesn't understand that they do a heck of a job managing inflation, which is a fear from most economists now right now. The inflation that would, in part, be fueled by his tax cut. He doesn't that trade deficits by themselves with certain countries could be a good thing (Canada for example and cheap oil). In fact it is clear that he doesn't understand the benefits of global trade except that the US should win the contest.

Everything in Trump's world is containerized or resides in a vacuum. He never sees the bigger picture. He can't connect dots. He lacks a global view (pro or con). He can't understand why American's could possibly be concerned with his relationship with Putin while criticizing Canada, England, and Germany. It is stunning really. Honestly there is zero evidence that he can see a bigger picture with any of his actions to date except maybe his view on illegal immigration. But then he lowers the numbers of legal immigrants coming to the US which is spectacularly the wrong thing to do in a growing economy where we need labor and technical expertise.

And that is why this trade war with everyone makes no sense. He now proposes 12 billion to bail out American soy bean farmers. What about negative impacts to farmer's that raise other products? Bail them out too? What about the tech industry? Coal? Medical equipment? There are other groups that will soon have their hands out because they are being negatively impacted. What is Trump going to do? Interestingly there are some economist that say the US can win a trade war and the very long term benefit could be good for the US. But at what cost? Those same economist will also tell you that there will be lots of pain to win that war both the US and global economy resulting from a significant global recession.

Anyway, I am ranting. But my God, I hope at some point the American people (republicans and democrats) will realize that we need a long-term plan to grow the economy, reduce our debt, and maintain control of inflation vs these wildly incongruent one-offs by Trump.
 

bamaEER

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Oh no my boy, you're all confused. Trump had to start this trade war because everybody before him made these incredibly bad deals -- China, the WTO, GATT, NAFTA ... "I alone can fix it!" [eyeroll]
That pretty much sums it up. Biff thinks he is the only one who can do it.
 

Boomboom521

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Long term economic stability doesn’t make your base brag like teenagers and make tweets with #winning on them. Trump has declared victory on everything in yr-1. North Korea is easy.....fixed. The economy is easy......fixed. The environment? Please.....didn’t even need fixed. Prisons.....fixed. Immigration......fixed. Terrorism.....will be fixed once I tweet in all caps.
 
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Long term economic stability doesn’t make your base brag like teenagers and make tweets with #winning on them. Trump has declared victory on everything in yr-1. North Korea is easy.....fixed. The economy is easy......fixed. The environment? Please.....didn’t even need fixed. Prisons.....fixed. Immigration......fixed. Terrorism.....will be fixed once I tweet in all caps.

I felt that 100% way about the tax cuts. Increased deficits be dammed!!! Increased risk for inflation be damned!! Trump promised tax cuts and he delivered.
 

Airport

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Long term economic stability doesn’t make your base brag like teenagers and make tweets with #winning on them. Trump has declared victory on everything in yr-1. North Korea is easy.....fixed. The economy is easy......fixed. The environment? Please.....didn’t even need fixed. Prisons.....fixed. Immigration......fixed. Terrorism.....will be fixed once I tweet in all caps.
All of your points were bad before he came into office. St Barry made everything worse with his anti american policies. The economy is much better when capitalism is involved. N Korea just started, who knows where it will lead. Prisons are for law breakers, I guess we can take them to your house, Terrorism is always going to be with us. Immigration from **** hole countries is the problem. People with less than an 8th grade education are not needed. We have enough of our own uneducated people that our public, government run, schools have givenus to deal with.
 

30CAT

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Gallup reports Americans’ satisfaction with the direction of the country recently hit a 12-year high. To repeat, the country is happier with our course today than at any time during Obama’s presidency.
 

Popeer

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All of your points were bad before he came into office. St Barry made everything worse with his anti american policies. The economy is much better when capitalism is involved. N Korea just started, who knows where it will lead. Prisons are for law breakers, I guess we can take them to your house, Terrorism is always going to be with us. Immigration from **** hole countries is the problem. People with less than an 8th grade education are not needed. We have enough of our own uneducated people that our public, government run, schools have givenus to deal with.
[roll][roll][roll]
 

Boomboom521

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Gallup reports Americans’ satisfaction with the direction of the country recently hit a 12-year high. To repeat, the country is happier with our course today than at any time during Obama’s presidency.
War and the biggest recession of our time occurred over that 12. Optimism put a spike in 401k’s across the nation, sure people are stoked. It’s the point the thread is making. Economic satiability is more complex.
 

Airport

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War and the biggest recession of our time occurred over that 12. Optimism put a spike in 401k’s across the nation, sure people are stoked. It’s the point the thread is making. Economic satiability is more complex.
Socialism is bad. Stealing from taxpayers is a terrible thing.
 

va87eer

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Tariffs and subsidies - classic Democratic party behavior from the 70s and 80s. Didn't work then and won't work now.
 

Boomboom521

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Why should we tolerate the tariffs laid against us by other nations?
If we are producing the best quality at competitive prices, it just hurts their economy. Isn’t this why we began entering into trade agreements in the first place?
 

Mntneer

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If we are producing the best quality at competitive prices, it just hurts their economy. Isn’t this why we began entering into trade agreements in the first place?

We really shouldn't have to have trade agreements. It's not as if we are just creating tariffs, which I'm not a huge fan of, on random nations for no reason. At some point it should be okay for us to say, "Cut it out or we will retaliate."
 

wvu2007

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If we are producing the best quality at competitive prices, it just hurts their economy. Isn’t this why we began entering into trade agreements in the first place?

Trump just got us a better deal with the EU. Now there is even more pressure on China. Winning!
 

Boomboom521

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We really shouldn't have to have trade agreements. It's not as if we are just creating tariffs, which I'm not a huge fan of, on random nations for no reason. At some point it should be okay for us to say, "Cut it out or we will retaliate."
Seems to be working. I think that’s what nations have said in response to our tariffs being imposed. Trump seems to be upset about trade deficits, not tariffs.
 

Boomboom521

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Trump just got us a better deal with the EU. Now there is even more pressure on China. Winning!
Take Trumps nuts out your mouth and just judge based on how this strategy plays out. I give him credit for optimism in the market, the boost from tax cuts, but all else needs a little time to see effect.
 

wvu2007

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Take Trumps nuts out your mouth and just judge based on how this strategy plays out. I give him credit for optimism in the market, the boost from tax cuts, but all else needs a little time to see effect.

I literally just posted about how it is playing out.
 

Boomboom521

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I literally just posted about how it is playing out.
Yeah? An that better EU deal compensates all the businesses hurt by the tariffs imposed? That deal offsets losses suffered in trade with China or Canada? There’s a big picture in running the nation, you can’t #winning every little victory the man has and ignore his losses. That’s what you dicks whined about liberals doing the last 8 didn’t you?
 
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wvu2007

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Yeah? An that better EU deal compensates all the businesses hurt by the tariffs imposed? That deal offsets losses suffered in trade with China or Canada? There’s a big picture in running the nation, you can’t #winning every little victory the man has and ignore his losses. That’s what you dicks whined about liberals doing the last 8 didn’t you?

LOL wtf? yeah this deal is really going to hurt Americans.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Yeah? An that better EU deal compensates all the businesses hurt by the tariffs imposed? That deal offsets losses suffered in trade with China or Canada? There’s a big picture in running the nation, you can’t #winning every little victory the man has and ignore his losses. That’s what you dicks whined about liberals doing the last 8 didn’t you?
Probably should just say, good job Mr. President. Then go to another post to start talking about China.