You’re right. I go around calling them House N***** when I disagree with them politically.
Aggressively sanctioning them? That’s Strategic Patience? Dude, you’ve jumped the shark here lately. Good lord.
Dog? Is war inevitable?
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Aggressively sanctioning them? That’s Strategic Patience? Dude, you’ve jumped the shark here lately. Good lord.
Yes and no. Strategic Patience is what Trump is doing. Applying painful pressure to NK and China, and see what happens.
What predecessors did was, well, nothing, or aided NK.
Actually no, Trump said the time for patience is over. He terms his approach max pressure. If Trump's goal was for NK to launch as many test missiles as possible then it's been a rousing success. Everything seems to be going real well with NK [eyeroll]
Through a coup? That is basically put into effect by our sanctions and potential blockade?
Yeah, he says Obama was a horrible leader when trump has pissed off every single ally we have all over the world and is currently in a dick measuring contest with Kim.
Not just our sanctions, but ultimately the essence is correct. Humanitarily, this isn’t a great option, because starvation is going to reach Somalian levels. This assumes some other nation doesn’t step in and help them against our wishes.
Honest question for you. Understanding that tens of thousands if not more are going to die because of the escalating sanctions, do you consider this a moral approach? From a CBA standpoint we could still possibly end up in a war, but in this scenario, the DPRK populace is going to suffer significantly first.
Let’s assume it’s successful in preventing a war, but a 100k or more perish to starvation before a coup happens. Still moral?
Should we allow them to develop nukes for the human element and hope we get Leader the foreign policy prowess of Obama who heals the sick with a mere gaze to negotiate with them at true place on the world stage? Is it likely we get someone so great as Obama?
Obvi the last part is TIC, but seriously, there is a real cost to doing this peacefully as well. Assuming we stay the course through sanctions and increasing sanctions, but we prevent a short bloody war. Is this a better option? Food for thought.
We haven’t had stronger relations in the Middle East since 91.
No **** the EU is unhappy. We’ve wheeled back from every promise Obama made and left them holding a **** show. We’re also placing our interests financially and otherwise before theirs which is in contrast to the last administration. Let’s see, a bunch of companies who moved to these other nations in the EU are planning to start coming back and repatriating overseas money effectively shrinking the EU coffers. We’re exporting Crime back to South and Central America which they were exporting to us. In essence, we’re being American and thinking American. I’d be pissed as well if I was them. I’m not them, I’m an American, and I love what we’re doing from a foreign policy perspective.
So, while Obama was a lovable yet ineffective foreign policy President, we (The US) are better off with Trump who is easily hatable.
Remember, these same guys said Clinton didn't have the balls to kill Bin Laden because of the "collateral damage" it could cause. Yet, they are OK with Trump's patience in this. Yep.......
opcorn:Good question. I wasn’t being sarcastic, I think that blockade / sanction approach is a legitimate approach — and a coup would be the best thing for us right now, IMO.
Answering the question: yes, I do. I understand the horror that would exist in a starving DPRK, but I also understand the horrors of war that would surely follow the spark of conflict (although my understanding could never equal that of those who have experienced it, of course). I think it places the responsibility on the regime and the people of DPRK to understand their place in the international community. The UN supports our position and the sanctions, so then it is on the nation of the DPRK to adhere to the wishes of the international community. If their leader chooses not to, then revolution should be in the air. I actually think we should step it up with a blockade.
The issue, to me, is if the military brass feel they can accelerate Kim’s demise within the regime through an extensive bombing campaign. Understanding there will be South Korean casualties, but if South Korea wants this to be ended for good....maybe they side with the aggressive route?
I mean, sanctions have been the chosen avenue to solution for decades hasn't it? So why do we think it’s different now?
We’ve put a lot more teeth into the sanctions. We still have a couple more bites we can take, like sanctioning countries (China/Russia) we do business with that also does business with them. China at present doesn’t want the DPRK to fall. The last thing they want is Democracy on their border. I say at present because we’ve never made it truly hurt for them to do business. However, the Crazy Fatkid is a different brand of crazy than his father and grandfather. This little douche actually thinks he could win and is aggressively moving towards developing a nuclear deterrent which Japan and the ROK cannot have. It doesn’t impact us at all, to be honest, but they’re our allies.
We can put the pressure the ROK wants us to. This is their fight and we’re just helping. If they wanted us to bomb him, we probably would. We wouldn’t do it unilaterally though and that’s important to understand. Everything that’s occcurring is occurring with their request/blessing. They have the most to lose. Anyone that thinks this is just Trump being half cocked and cowboying it alone is a ******* moron. Also, if KJU pulled back to normal crazy like that of his father, the ROK and Us would back down as well. He’s driving this madness, we’re the ROK just aren’t backing down so he has no choice by Asian cultural standards but to keep going. He can’t back down, not after everything he’s said.
Does it bother you that he throws liberal angst back in their face when their narrative blows up?
I don’t like extremists on either side. I don’t see a lot of regurgitated liberal extreme tweets on here
Because those zany left's tweets to this day are generally based on the hope and prayer that Trump is going to be found by Mueller guilty of treason because Putin owns him, he will be impeached, drug out of the White House, and hung in the public square.
I have never thought we were heading to war on the peninsula, at least not on purpose.
However. I do think that this is a trap of sorts. We have seen almost this exact scenario play out before. NK, gets rowdy but then calms down and puts on a charm offensive and wants talks. Ends up with them getting something and then scurrying back above the 37.
It is straight out of the Kim Jong Il playbook and Jr is running it textbook.
However. I do think that this is a trap of sorts. We have seen almost this exact scenario play out before. NK, gets rowdy but then calms down and puts on a charm offensive and wants talks. Ends up with them getting something and then scurrying back above the 37.
It is straight out of the Kim Jong Il playbook and Jr is running it textbook.
I'm wondering if something broke in NK and they're going to need international help to fix it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people of NK glow in the dark.
The Chinese did say that the mountain now has a chimney that could spew radioactive material. It could be.
I think NK has enough allies that would help them. China is openly breaking sanctions as it is.
Russia has plenty of experience capping nuclear disasters. pretty much just cap it in concrete and move everyone away
From the macro level, I’d agree about the playbook. At the micro level you couldn’t be more wrong.
I read that exact thing in the WSJ today. Nuclear test facility blew up, decapitated a Mountain top and collapsed an underground silo. Radiation leaking out, even into China. Chi Coms told the little Nip to shut down his Nuke program or else...no more food, no more help. Kim has no choice if he wants to keep from starving.